3rd party designers & gigs

[rf]

You got your rod out early, eh?

Early? It's already 11AM. Been up for a couple of hours. Cup of coffee. Down
to the creek for a spot of fishing. Read all the usenet postings. Snipe at a
broken text container. The usual Tuesday stuff.

Ono, does that mean I have to catch
the Wednesday fish?

Yep. One of the trucks is in for a service and the wife is getting her hair
done with the other one. I'm stuck at home all by myself on Wednesday ;-(

 

[Henry]

Have a good one. ...Good bey to you too...

...D.

P.S. And BTW I don't care if you are interested or not in my diary. But
at least you didn't say "go do Google research on how to write a diary".

Hahahahahahaha...

D.

Join the club.

You have entered a mad shark’s zone.

Rules are simple.

1. css is a king, the only tool for a layout.

2. notepad is a prince.

3. agree our opinions/rules, we will tell you something.

4. disobey it ( use Front Page or tables ) we will give you a hell.

5. even if you will make one, own page on CD ROM with your own photos
and you will want to use it only by your girlfriend, still all above
rules are applying.

6. we are the only intelligent web designers and nowhere you can get any
quality help, because the rest are total morons.

7. try to catch us in our good mood

8. you suppose to have a sixth sense to know, where the hell are FAQ for
this newsgroup and you are obliged to read it, learn it and memorize it
and when you will show us with a huge doze of a humility, that you do,
we will help you.


I think that should be added to FAQ with some corrections of grammar.




Check my posts here to find, that all above is a correct procedure for
this NG.

 

[Wÿrm]

<snip>

you forgot

9. Henry is trolling because he can't accept that most things are easier to
do with CSS


I see you still didn't bother to comment that what ever garage crap site
made as CSS instead of horrible tables.

 

[Blinky the Shark]

You have entered a mad shark?s zone.

Hey!

 

[Henry]

Henry wrote:




Hey!

Yeah... Linux user!

I love those ones as lovers of VW Beetle.

Boths are trying hard to prove that BOTH categories are lovable.

If the husband hates his wife, installing for her Linux an buying her VW
Beetle convertible.

 

[Mark Parnell]

If the husband hates his wife, installing for her Linux

I installed Linux for my wife (who I most certainly don't hate), and she
loves it.

 

[Henry]

<snip>

you forgot

9. Henry is trolling because he can't accept that most things are easier to
do with CSS

You're right. That's why everybody are using them. Net is full of css's.

I see you still didn't bother to comment that what ever garage crap site
made as CSS instead of horrible tables.

Horrible because of what?

Every moron can use them? And they do work?

That's the beauty of it.


Most computer nuts can't realize, that computers are designed to do
things. Not be served to.

In one episode of Star Trek Kirk went back in time and wanted to use a
computer. He commanded "Computer start". And computer didn't. Some smart
asses were laughing at him.

I don't think that was funny. Computer should and will start by a voice
command.

In the same way I laugh when people are saying that web design should be
made in Notepad.

Yeah... I would add, use abacus as well and welcome into Flinstone era.

Install Linux and sped few days how to put video card driver or mount
floppy disk.

 

[Blinky the Shark]

Blinky the Shark wrote:

Yeah... Linux user!

That wasn't a Linux-user hey; that was a shark hey.

 

[Mark Parnell]

So I can't search back
anyway unless I unsubscribe and re subscribe and load up 1000s of headers,
which I ain't gonna do, and don't feel others should have to do either.

http://groups.google.com/

 

[Henry]

Henry wrote:

That wasn't a Linux-user hey; that was a shark hey.

So what's that?

Linux Registered User 297263





I'm not against Linux, however at this stage is not for me.

I have Xandros full version and still think to use on one machine just
to go to the net. I'm sick of updates, security patches, M$ patches and
Norton taking hostage on my machine, pretending that he is guarding me
against viruses.

But it's to many hassles, like lack of drivers for my HDTV card,
Photoshop is not working, HEAPS of music programs I use etc.

Lazy always win!

As little effort, as possible with maximum effectiveness.

Computer should do work for me. It should be an extension to my brain.

I'm not going to serve him.

Going back to work...

 

[Henry]

I installed Linux for my wife (who I most certainly don't hate), and she
loves it.

Most likely she is browsing and using email. Virus and spyware free -
perfect choice, if you don't need to use something else, like HDTV card
or DVD burner.

Can you burn DVD's and movies on Linux?

Now I understand these calls about fonts. Fonts sux on Linux! When I
used Xandros I hated these fonts, some TT fonts were used but still was
a crap if compare to Windoze.

They were saying that font problems and higher fonts res they were going
to fix, I mean, better adoption to M$ TT fonts.

They've done it?

If yes, I could go back to Linux.

I hated these fonts so much...

No wonder some wants a bigger fonts because Linux...

 

[Blinky the Shark]

Blinky the Shark wrote:

So what's that?

Linux Registered User 297263

<sigh> Irrelevant to my lighthearted reply about "shark [whatever
you wrote, but that you've snipped]".

 

[Blinky the Shark]

Most likely she is browsing and using email. Virus and spyware free -
perfect choice, if you don't need to use something else, like HDTV card
or DVD burner.

Can you burn DVD's and movies on Linux?

Of course. And sync with your Palm, and use a scanner and digital
camera, and...well, golly, gee, it's not just life with the command line,
unless you wish that.

Now I understand these calls about fonts. Fonts sux on Linux! When I
used Xandros I hated these fonts, some TT fonts were used but still was
a crap if compare to Windoze.

How many years ago was that?

They were saying that font problems and higher fonts res they were going
to fix, I mean, better adoption to M$ TT fonts.

They've done it?
Yes.

If yes, I could go back to Linux.

Nah, Linux will do just fine.

 

[Toby Inkster]

In the same way I laugh when people are saying that web design should be
made in Notepad.

I don't think many (any?) of the regulars here use Notepad for web design.
There are plenty of better text editors out there. SciTE, Nedit and Nano
are my three favourites at the moment.

Install Linux and sped few days how to put video card driver

The vast majority of video cards are autodetected in recent distros, with
roughly Windows XP grade reliability -- i.e. the occasional very new or
very obscure video card will fail, but most will work OK. Certainly better
than the hardware detection in, say, Windows NT where you nearly always
need to get out the manufacturer's disk before you can go above 640x480 at
256 colours.

or mount floppy disk.

Nowadays most distros include supermount -- so that floppy disks, CDs and
DVDs are automatically mounted as soon as you put them in the drive.
Besides which, IME most computers are now shipping without floppy drives
these days.

 

[Wyrm]

Wÿrm wrote:

Horrible because of what?

All that unnecessarily complex HTML there is no need for, that for a
starters. But I guess you need use some WYSIWYG tools so hand coding's out
of the question for you anyway so you never see all that crappy code mess.


<irrelevant crap snipped, don't babble, stick to the point>

 

[C.W.]

I have been doing Usenet in the year and a half. I am right on about some
"members" of this newsgroup. I have looked in here more than I let on.

If the last sentence is true - then you would've been able to just
skip past the comments you felt weren't helpful or unwarranted - since
you already knew what some of them, in your observatory opinion, were
like.

So when I say I don't like replies that tell me to research on my own by
checking into other posts in the newsgroup instead of easily answering me
with the same amount of energy used that it took to tell me to go fish, I
feel it is a legitimate point of view.

Barbara has a point too in that some other threads, about the same
topic, have shared some posts you may found informative. Not everybody
that replied in those threads will reply to your thread on the same
topic - or with the exact same detailed information that may have been
shared before.

There have been some posts on this topic over the past few weeks and
months that may have some snippets of info that you were seeking. Just
that they were shared with someone else asking the same thing already
....

If it said

was alt.html.professionas I wouldn't even be here

I doubt that - I've seen people try to join groups that were geared to
professionals due to feeling they could skate by or "were"
professionals.

With you asking about doing web desgin - even part-time - for others
in itself hints you do not consider yourself a newbie to HTML but
advanced from that point.

I'd be searching for what headers?

If I were searching for posts, about this topic, then I wouldn't look
for headers. I would type in, at Google Groups, phrases like "doing
web design" "starting web design" - maybe trying words like freelance
and such too. Then I would scan the results, looking at the bits of
the posts that the abstract would share. Click on the ones that
sounded like they were discussing how someone could get their feet wet
entereing freelance web design thoughts ...

So - my opinion is newgroups exist for exacltly that you don't
have to research first !!

No, not really. Discussions primarily but not to help someone avoid or
not "having to" to do the research on their own either. Any help
shared is strictly voluntary and not the reason why this -or any
other- newsgroup exists [unless it has the word help in it's name].

Personally I've learned a lot from the people in this group - regulars
and non-regulars. More than what I feel I would've gotten elsewhere
... and all supplied voluntarily in response to others or during
debates or detailed discussions and,yes, even when they shared some
sarcasm. I actually find myself seeking out he longer threads first -
but that's just me.

And also when I subscribe to a newsgroup like

I just did here, I don't have it load up every post available, I give it a
finite number (like a weeks worth of headers).. So I can't search back
anyway unless I unsubscribe and re subscribe and load up 1000s of headers,
which I ain't gonna do, and don't feel others should have to do either.

No reason to! http://groups.google.com - archived copies of text posts
from this group, and others, back to 1995 or so I think.

Also, I haven't been completely honest, I kinda acted as if I did not
already have a 3rd party website writing program, but I do already have
one, and am just now getting used to it. But I wanted pure feedback
because I'll abandon this one (was only $50) if there is something better
to look into...

It is the HTML that matters in the end - not the editor used by you.

Some $30 programs are just as good, in someone's hands, as the $100 or
pricier ones are. Just find one that you find comfortable and enjoy
using.

 

[neredbojias]

Without quill or qualm, Dan Ruscoe quothed:

Some clients have their hearts set on pointless flash intros. Often the
best thing to do is give them what they want, include a 'skip intro'
link and take their money.

True. And I'm not an anti-Flash extremo or anything; some people really
like Flash but it just isn't for me. Perhaps on hi-speed cable it'd be
okay (-although I really do prefer less crap when I'm browsing for info
or photos.)

 

[neredbojias]

Without quill or qualm, ...D. quothed:

I have been doing the Internet for a year and a half now after
re-introducing myself to computing. I have become completely immersed and
it is a wonderful hobby, and I spend lots of time in. I know quite a bit
now in several aspects of computing. I am no dummy. You say one of the
don't is this, and I say no, it is not. Not if all it takes is a few
sentences for sure.

I have been doing Usenet in the year and a half. I am right on about some
"members" of this newsgroup. I have looked in here more than I let on. I
know a bit more than I let on about website design, though still not very
knowledgeable in a lot of it, and thus my post was legitimate. I felt I
had to act this way or else get the "snub" again.

So when I say I don't like replies that tell me to research on my own by
checking into other posts in the newsgroup instead of easily answering me
with the same amount of energy used that it took to tell me to go fish, I
feel it is a legitimate point of view. I do not see it written down that
it should be this way, I just happen to think not and you do. If it said
was alt.html.professionas I wouldn't even be here and I wouldn't ask here.
A far as I am concerned by the newsgeoup title name, utter complete
beginners should be able to ask very basic stuff here, and get helpful
anwsers. Not "go fish". At least should be "You have to learn just a few
basics, start here and come back later once you've got a few thjings down:
http://www.davesite.com/webstation/html/

And I understand this is a newsgroup - so in that light, My opinion of how
to research a subject and yours are equally legit. So we have differing
opinions about it. He is not the first to mention to others to look it up
yourself, and I feel the same way about those replies too. Nothing is
100%, in a few cases are legit, not usually.

I'd be searching for what headers?, And spending time reading each post I
was searching, then trying another search criteria.., hoping it hit on my
issue. So - my opinion is newgroups exist for exacltly that you don't
have to research first !! And also when I subscribe to a newsgroup like
I just did here, I don't have it load up every post available, I give it a
finite number (like a weeks worth of headers).. So I can't search back
anyway unless I unsubscribe and re subscribe and load up 1000s of headers,
which I ain't gonna do, and don't feel others should have to do either.

So we disagree. I spouted, you spouted. Where in the rules does it say
you have to pre-research before you ask a question. Some suggest this of
course. I am on the opposite fence of what a newsgroups function is.

Also, I haven't been completely honest, I kinda acted as if I did not
already have a 3rd party website writing program, but I do already have
one, and am just now getting used to it. But I wanted pure feedback
because I'll abandon this one (was only $50) if there is something better
to look into... It is not a well known company that makes it. I just
wanted to see if I could get away from telling a possible client that I
might write for to buy the same program I used to maintain the site. I
don't like a few things it handles certain ways. Kind of mystical writing
all scripts. There should be a lesser $$ "maintenance" software package,
but there is not. Also why waste time training myself with it, if
eventually I would move beyond the "individual & small business" stage..
It is all speculation now as I have not yet written anything for anyone.

Here's what I've done so far. Didn't know what "HTML" was 6 months ago.
Learned from websites like davesite - not asking here - so I am not that
Fxxkin lazy. New site new name. Abandoned my old site name for
something more generic (ran a Blacknova Traders web-based game website
written in notepad & HTML only my son wanted - no Javascript or any other
languages, and still am not real knowledgeable with the java, though can
copy-paste and try).

In case anyone is interested in my effort thus far with a $50 3rd party
program : http://www.kicknet.net Like I said - trying to break into the
individuals or small business as a part time occasional gig.. Don't be
too critical.

Do you know that you used the word "I" 56 times in the above
expostulation? That's the current record.

 

[Duende]

While sitting in a puddle neredbojias scribbled in the mud:

Do you know that you used the word "I" 56 times in the above
expostulation? That's the current record.

Why did you count them?

 

[rf]

neredbojias rebutted:

Do you know that you used the word "I" 56 times in the above
expostulation?

<checks webster's>
ex.pos.tu.la.tion n. an expostulating; earnest protest or remonstrance.

Phew. For a minute there I thought you were just making up these words