77,000 and still counting - unbelievable

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Joel Shepherd

Apparently though, it's only when disasters like this happen, something
so sudden with so much exposure is only when people want to help out.
To the detriment of the tragedies going on around them everyday.

I'm sorry, but that's bullshit.

It is a complete falsehood to suggest that charitable giving stops cold
between disasters. In the neighborhood I live in, I can't throw a rock
without hitting the front door of a charitable or non-profit
organization, most of whom are focused on providing services locally.
Those organizations would not continue on for year after year after year
if they did not have a decent revenue stream coming in, much of which
comes from some of the same people who are donating to help the tsunami
victims.

Now, those organizations and their efforts may not get the same level of
publicity as the Red Cross, Doctors Without Borders, etc., but they
_are_ helping. Just because you've never heard of them doesn't mean they
don't exist and aren't effective.

Do major disasters stir up a sharp rise in giving? Sure. I suspect one
reason is the perception that the problems caused by natural disasters
are actually fixable with sufficient funding. Putting food in bellies,
putting up shelter, rebuilding: those are obvious, concrete actions
which will repair much of the physical damage.

Problems like AIDs, homelessness, civil war, etc., are much more
intractable. It's not just a matter of giving away condoms, building
cheap housing, etc.: it's about dealing with social mores, child abuse
and neglect, addictions, *history*, etc. Those aren't things you can
easily fix by throwing more money at them. Money helps, but the
perception and the truth is that those problems need more than money to
fix. So some people don't give to support those efforts, and some people
support them by other means.

But again, just because they're not making the headlines, that doesn't
mean nothing is happening.
 
M

Matt Probert

Once upon a time, far far away, the king summoned "Viper"
The US sent ships. I didnt hear if the UK did/was.
I too would donate if I had the cash and knew it was going to the needy
there and not the pockets of the people running the charity.

Yes, sorry! The news arrived here later. The ships were sent, so
apologies to the various governments.

Matt
 
A

Auntie Em

I'm posting this message to all of the groups I frequent, in hopes that it
might make a difference.

The tradgedy that is happening in Asia right now, due to the quake and
subsequent tsunami, is something that I've been trying to comprehend for the
past several days. I'm trying to fathom the number of people and families
who were here, on this earth, just last week and are now gone. I'm trying
to grasp the number of people who've lost loved ones and still don't know if
they are alive or dead. I'm thinking of the next several weeks and months,
when more people are definitely going to die of hunger and disease from the
aftermath of this event. I think about the total number of people that live
in the five cities surrounding my home...and how the number is smaller than
those that have already died. I'm completely overwhelmed by it.

I also think about how many people on this planet are currently reading
these newsgroups and how we could make a small dent in the suffering if we
all contribute even a little bit. Personally, I've donated to the Red Cross
International Disaster Fund ( http://www.redcross.org )...mainly because its
the one I know. I am asking everyone who reads this to contribute
*something* to any organization that is providing assistance to the people
affected by this horror. Feel free to reply to this message with links to
other organizations raising money for the victims.

My heart just aches right now for all those people going through what must
be pure hell right now...knowing that its going to get worse before it gets
better. I hope we can all take 10 minutes out of our discussions, flamings
and debates to go make an online donation that could just save the life of
someone's child.

--Tina

You had me up to the "someone's child" crap.

Em
 
R

Robert Morien

Joel Shepherd said:
I'm sorry, but that's bullshit.

It is a complete falsehood to suggest that charitable giving stops cold
between disasters. In the neighborhood I live in, I can't throw a rock
without hitting the front door of a charitable or non-profit
organization, most of whom are focused on providing services locally.
Those organizations would not continue on for year after year after year
if they did not have a decent revenue stream coming in, much of which
comes from some of the same people who are donating to help the tsunami
victims.

Now, those organizations and their efforts may not get the same level of
publicity as the Red Cross, Doctors Without Borders, etc., but they
_are_ helping. Just because you've never heard of them doesn't mean they
don't exist and aren't effective.

Do major disasters stir up a sharp rise in giving? Sure. I suspect one
reason is the perception that the problems caused by natural disasters
are actually fixable with sufficient funding. Putting food in bellies,
putting up shelter, rebuilding: those are obvious, concrete actions
which will repair much of the physical damage.

Problems like AIDs, homelessness, civil war, etc., are much more
intractable. It's not just a matter of giving away condoms, building
cheap housing, etc.: it's about dealing with social mores, child abuse
and neglect, addictions, *history*, etc. Those aren't things you can
easily fix by throwing more money at them. Money helps, but the
perception and the truth is that those problems need more than money to
fix. So some people don't give to support those efforts, and some people
support them by other means.

But again, just because they're not making the headlines, that doesn't
mean nothing is happening.


Nothing anyone can do will stop earthquakes and tsunamis. But it is
possible to reduce the number who will die of hunger from 24000 to 23999
and even lower.

In 5 or 6 days as many people will die from hunger as died from the
tsunami and it will happen every 5 or 6 days for a long time...unless
someone says "24000 and still counting - unbelievable"

Of course there must be more appropriate ways to deal with it then
starting OT threads.
 
E

Eric Jarvis

Starshine said:
You're right. It's good that people want to help. Apparently though,
it's only when disasters like this happen, something so sudden with so
much exposure is only when people want to help out. To the detriment of
the tragedies going on around them everyday.

It was ever thus.

That's why so many charities mostly chase after regular monthly or annual
donations. They can reach people at the times when their mind is on a
particular need but keep getting a donation for long afterwards.
 
N

Neal

Joint Distribution Committee
JDC: South Asia Tsunami Relief
Box 321
847A Second Avenue
New York, NY 10017
212.885.0867
http://www.jdc.org

You know, we have to laugh in these times.

I'm hoping these folks come around soon, because I could really use a
joint...
 
D

Duende

While sitting in a puddle Robert Morien scribbled in the mud:
In 5 or 6 days as many people will die from hunger as died from the
tsunami and it will happen every 5 or 6 days for a long time...unless
someone says "24000 and still counting - unbelievable"

A lot of this is due to civil wars. Not all but a lot.
 
S

SpaceGirl

Tina said:
I'm posting this message to all of the groups I frequent, in hopes that it
might make a difference.

The tradgedy that is happening in Asia right now, due to the quake and
subsequent tsunami, is something that I've been trying to comprehend for the
past several days. I'm trying to fathom the number of people and families
who were here, on this earth, just last week and are now gone. I'm trying
to grasp the number of people who've lost loved ones and still don't know if
they are alive or dead. I'm thinking of the next several weeks and months,
when more people are definitely going to die of hunger and disease from the
aftermath of this event. I think about the total number of people that live
in the five cities surrounding my home...and how the number is smaller than
those that have already died. I'm completely overwhelmed by it.

I also think about how many people on this planet are currently reading
these newsgroups and how we could make a small dent in the suffering if we
all contribute even a little bit. Personally, I've donated to the Red Cross
International Disaster Fund ( http://www.redcross.org )...mainly because its
the one I know. I am asking everyone who reads this to contribute
*something* to any organization that is providing assistance to the people
affected by this horror. Feel free to reply to this message with links to
other organizations raising money for the victims.

My heart just aches right now for all those people going through what must
be pure hell right now...knowing that its going to get worse before it gets
better. I hope we can all take 10 minutes out of our discussions, flamings
and debates to go make an online donation that could just save the life of
someone's child.

--Tina

The US seems to have bowed under increasing international pressure and
has upped its' aid contribution from $35 million to $350 million... this
is an amazing donation. The news was reporting too that on top of the
10s of millions being donated by the UK government, over £30 million has
been donated by private citizens. Even my dim view on society fails to
be unimpressed by this... people still have hearts.

--


x theSpaceGirl (miranda)

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Robert Morien

Duende said:
While sitting in a puddle Robert Morien scribbled in the mud:


A lot of this is due to civil wars. Not all but a lot.

Okay, every day 8000 people die from AIDS.
 
D

Duende

While sitting in a puddle Duende scribbled in the mud:
While sitting in a puddle Robert Morien scribbled in the mud:


Major cause, immoral life styles.

Damn, I have to stop cross posting. I just posted this elsewhere.
 
J

Joel Shepherd

A problem which will not go away simply by throwing more money at it.
Eliminating the _causes_ of civil war or corrupt government are much
more complex than buying materials and labor to build someone a new
house.
Okay, every day 8000 people die from AIDS.

Again, caused by factors which will not be chased away simply by
throwing more money at them.
 
E

Eric Jarvis

SpaceGirl said:
The US seems to have bowed under increasing international pressure and
has upped its' aid contribution from $35 million to $350 million... this
is an amazing donation. The news was reporting too that on top of the
10s of millions being donated by the UK government, over £30 million has
been donated by private citizens. Even my dim view on society fails to
be unimpressed by this... people still have hearts.

I think that's a slightly unfair characterisation of the situation. In
common with every other donor nation the USA pulled an initial figure out
of thin air in order to release enough money so that a relief effort could
at least get started. Then after the UN and WHO made initial estimates of
a likely total pretty much all the donor nations have upped their estimate
of what they'll give. That's just as it should be. If you ignore
misreporting and just listen to the actual statements being made by the UN
and the US government everyone seems happy that the donation side of the
equation is working pretty much as it should be.

I should imagine there will be further increases in the amounts being
given by most governments when they've had time to do their own assessment
of what is going to be needed. There's still very little information about
the situation in Aceh and some parts of Sri Lanka.
 
P

Pistol Grip

Duende said:
Major cause, immoral life styles.

Major cause of you?
No coat hangers handy.

May the bloodshed you as an American are responsible for curdle on your
flesh as you roast in hell.
Have a nice day.
 
K

Karl Core

May the bloodshed you as an American are responsible for curdle on your
flesh as you roast in hell.

Need I remind your stupid ass that not all Americans support our President's
actions?
May *you* be the one rotting in hell for being so stupid as to think that
someone is a bad person based solely on the country in which they live.
 
G

GreyWyvern

I said people not priests

As un-PC as it sounds at first listen, unfortunately what D says is true.
Outside of third-world countries, without the homosexual and bisexual
community, AIDS would not have spread nearly as fast. However, whether
you term these lifestyles as "immoral" is completely at your own
discretion...

Grey
 
P

Pistol Grip

Karl Core said:
Need I remind your stupid ass that not all Americans support our President's
actions?

Need you be reminded that in a democracy it's the *MAJORITY* that rules?
Quite plainly the *MAJORITY* of Americans do support the "president".

If you *choose to live* in a crack house and you *know* they're dealing
crack, you're guilty of a crime. Period.
That's law in most democracies I've lived in.
Doesn't matter if you 'object'. Moot point. There's no 'sort of' guilty
on the issue. You either are or you aren't. Yes, there are 'degrees' of
sentencing, but only after a guilty verdict.

It's like saying "I knew the house was full of crack dealers, but I was
the good guy your honor, because I 'objected' to it. (laughs all around)

My advice.
Live somewhere else.
Otherwise you can just keep rolling along with the 'majority'.
 

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