__contains__() and overload of in : Bug or Feature ???

[sebastien.lannez]

Thanks for your quick response.

Not sure what you're trying to achieve,

Using Python as an algebraic parser for
symbolic mathematical equation and I need
that the 'in' operator returns an object based
on its two arguments.

but the semantics of the "in" operator
make it return a boolean value.

That is why I need to overload it.

The string "yop" evaluates to the boolean
value True, as it is not empty.

Does it means that when overloading an operator, python just
wrap the call to the method and keep control of the returned
values ??? Is there a way to bypass this wrapping ???

 

[Hrvoje Niksic]

Does it means that when overloading an operator, python just
wrap the call to the method and keep control of the returned
values ???

In case of 'in' operator, it does.

 

[Steve Holden]

Thanks for your quick response.



Using Python as an algebraic parser for
symbolic mathematical equation and I need
that the 'in' operator returns an object based
on its two arguments.


That is why I need to overload it.


Does it means that when overloading an operator, python just
wrap the call to the method and keep control of the returned
values ??? Is there a way to bypass this wrapping ???

Certain aspects of the interpreter's behavior have ot be hard-wired in
order for it to accomplish anything. This is one of the hard-wried
aspects, so unless you want to change the interpreter's implementation
I'm afraid you can't change it.

regards
Steve

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[Carsten Haese]

Does it means that when overloading an operator, python just
wrap the call to the method and keep control of the returned
values ??? Is there a way to bypass this wrapping ???

The answers are "No in general, but yes in this case" and "No, not
easily."

Your problem is that the "in" operator is a comparison operator, which
by definition returns either True or False. Python is not meant to be
used as a Domain-Specific Language, so if you try to use it as one,
you'll run into limitations. The fact that comparison operators always
have boolean semantics is one of those limitations. (And yes, I imagine
this is a feature, so that callers of comparison operators don't have to
worry about checking whether the call really returned a boolean value,
they can just rely on the fact that it did.)

To bypass this behavior, I suppose you could try to change this by
modifying Python's source code directly, but who knows what you might
break in the process if you break the contract that "in" always returns
True or False.

In other words, try to find a different solution.

 

[Colin J. Williams]

Thanks for your quick response.



Using Python as an algebraic parser for
symbolic mathematical equation and I need
that the 'in' operator returns an object based
on its two arguments.


That is why I need to overload it.


Does it means that when overloading an operator, python just
wrap the call to the method and keep control of the returned
values ??? Is there a way to bypass this wrapping ???

Can you not achieve what you wish to do with a conditional
expression?

"yop" if a in b else "nop"

Colin W.