A must see site for table haters

R

Richard

www.pcnorl.com

The desiginers of this page actually put the use of tables in a carefully
laid out way that actually has some liquidity to it.

For the information presented, the scripting is kept to minimal.
And even uses one interesting applet.

Several instances of nested tables.
I'd say this is one case where tables for presentation works out fairly
well.

<flame war>
 
F

Fernie

I've only recently taken a step beyond the most basic html fundementals but
tables have provided me with a nice way to present data and images in a
liquid fashion. Currently, I am working on a shopping cart and I use tables
for the liquid display effect. I'll post my cart for critique in about a
week.

I really don't have the time nor the capacity to learn something new at the
moment, but what alternatives would 'table haters' use to get a liquid
effect?

Best regards,

Fernie
 
S

saz

I've only recently taken a step beyond the most basic html fundementals but
tables have provided me with a nice way to present data and images in a
liquid fashion. Currently, I am working on a shopping cart and I use tables
for the liquid display effect. I'll post my cart for critique in about a
week.

I really don't have the time nor the capacity to learn something new at the
moment, but what alternatives would 'table haters' use to get a liquid
effect?

Best regards,

Fernie
Proper use of CSS would give better results.
 
S

saz

www.pcnorl.com

The desiginers of this page actually put the use of tables in a carefully
laid out way that actually has some liquidity to it.

For the information presented, the scripting is kept to minimal.
And even uses one interesting applet.

Several instances of nested tables.
I'd say this is one case where tables for presentation works out fairly
well.

<flame war>

Not in my browsers. The left column is way off in alignment. I think
CSS would have been better.

This is a common applet. I've seen it several times before on news
sites.
 
F

Fernie

Proper use of CSS would give better results.

In my case, I now have a fairly decent handle on html. I am dynamically
writing (via cgi) html content and input forms that seem to be working just
fine.

Can you tell me how difficult it would be for an average person at my html
level to get a working knowledge of CSS? Do editors like Dreamweaver or
Websphere produce decent CSS code?

Regards,

Fernie
 
H

Henry

saz said:
Not in my browsers. The left column is way off in alignment. I think
CSS would have been better.

This is a common applet. I've seen it several times before on news
sites.

Get newest browsers.

If your browsers do not display this page properly (IE6, FF1.0, latest
Opera) than I would not like to see your pages.

;)

Going back to tables.

This is BAD! Looks horrible, but... works.

My very first web page made in FF was better, coding included.

;)

BTW. Looks like done in css anyway.

Hahahahahaha...
 
R

Richard

In my case, I now have a fairly decent handle on html. I am dynamically
writing (via cgi) html content and input forms that seem to be working
just fine.
Can you tell me how difficult it would be for an average person at my html
level to get a working knowledge of CSS? Do editors like Dreamweaver or
Websphere produce decent CSS code?

Fernie

What is the difference between notepad and dreamweaver?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Any decent editor that will understand basic html and is fairly recent, will
understand css.
Dreamweaver is bloatware and over rated.
 
J

Jeff Thies

Can you tell me how difficult it would be for an average person at my html
level to get a working knowledge of CSS? Do editors like Dreamweaver or
Websphere produce decent CSS code?

Don't know, but I can say that the Dreamweaver CSS I've seen was pretty
ugly. I like to see a minimum of classnames not a maximum.

I think this is more an art and experience teaches you what is
maintainable and what is not

Jeff
 
F

Fernie

Richard said:
What is the difference between notepad and dreamweaver?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Grief?

Any decent editor that will understand basic html and is fairly recent,
will
understand css.
Dreamweaver is bloatware and over rated.

I use Websphere Homepage Builder because it is cheap and easy to use. It
has a free layout mode that I don't use, but it basically allows you to
position text items and controls anywhere on the page, almost like a drawing
tool. You can even overlap text and/or images. I don't know if that is CSS
or what that's called. The source code looks like too much work to code by
hand. For example:

<BODY>

<DIV style="width : 61px;height : 23px;top : 46px;left : 43px;

position : absolute;

z-index : 1;

" id="Layer1">Line 1</DIV>

</BODY>

Is that CSS?

Best regards,

Fernie
 
R

Richard

Fernie wrote:

I use Websphere Homepage Builder because it is cheap and easy to use. It
has a free layout mode that I don't use, but it basically allows you to
position text items and controls anywhere on the page, almost like a
drawing tool. You can even overlap text and/or images. I don't know if
that is CSS or what that's called. The source code looks like too much
work to code by hand. For example:

<DIV style="width : 61px;height : 23px;top : 46px;left : 43px;
position : absolute;
z-index : 1;
" id="Layer1">Line 1</DIV>

Is that CSS?
Best regards,


Yep. You should see a line at the start of the coding that shows as <script
language ="text/css">
That just signals the browser to use this information and not display it.
<script language="text/javascript">
Would designate "javascript" sections, which could be anywhere.
 
S

Starshine Moonbeam

Richard ([email protected]) said:
Fernie wrote:










Yep. You should see a line at the start of the coding that shows as <script
language ="text/css">

Bzzzt. CSS is not a scripting language.

Why *are* you so fucking st00pid, st00pid?

AUK added since they wondered where you fucked off too. Why, I have no
idea. Eat that fucking can of Drano and have a shitty new year. Loser.
That just signals the browser to use this information and not display it.
<script language="text/javascript">

<script type="text/javascript">
Would designate "javascript" sections, which could be anywhere.

2 sentences out of 6 correct. Good job, dipshit.
 
R

rf

Richard said:
Nothing indicates what they used.
Could have been done in notepad.

Have a look at the source stupid.

See those javascript functions that start with MM_? That means MacroMedia.
Classic dreamweaver generated bloody rubbish using convoluted javascript to
achieve mouseovers on <a> elements where a simple a:hover would suffice.
 
S

Sid Ismail

: Don't know, but I can say that the Dreamweaver CSS I've seen was pretty
: ugly.


It's the best tool around if you want to set a style for a column in a large
table, for instance. What do you find repulsive about the CSS in
Dreamweaver?

I love it!

Sid
 
S

Sid Ismail

: Classic dreamweaver generated bloody rubbish using convoluted javascript to
: achieve mouseovers on <a> elements where a simple a:hover would suffice.


That's not Dreamweaver's fault. The person using it is sloppy.

Sid
 
O

.Obsidian.

Well hello st00pid
Bzzzt. CSS is not a scripting language.

Why *are* you so fucking st00pid, st00pid?

AUK added since they wondered where you fucked off too. Why, I have no
idea. Eat that fucking can of Drano and have a shitty new year. Loser.

Ah so there he is. Thanking you...

So St00pid do you wanna tell the good folk in alt.html about your lame arsed
attempt at a javascript trap
or your plethora of computer expertise as demonstrated in
24hoursupport.helpdesk

If memory serves these little gems may be archived some where :p


/Obsidian
 
J

Jukka K. Korpela

rf said:
Bullshit.

Please don't feed the trolls. And please don't use the word "bullshit"
to characterize something worse than useless - after all, shit from
bulls is very useful fertilizer.
 
S

Sid Ismail

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:57:46 +0000 (UTC), "Jukka K. Korpela"

: And please don't use the word "bullshit"
: to characterize something worse than useless - after all, shit from
: bulls is very useful fertilizer.


Nice to see your humour is intact in 2005! :)

H N Y Jukka, rf, brucie, and all regulars!

Sid
 

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