A plan for Jacob

[Karl Heinze]

I don't think it's too much of an exaggeration to say that the Jacob
situation is reaching crisis proportions for clc.

How about the "Eveyman" situation? Go away and ...

 

[Richard Heathfield]

Martin Ambuhl said:

Everyman wrote:
I don't think it's too much of an exaggeration to say that the Jacob
situation is reaching crisis proportions for clc.
[...]
Agreed. When cowardly twits feel free to launch anonymous
attacks, we have a crisis. And you, you pusillanimous piece of
pseudonymous pigeon poop, are it.

While I certainly don't disagree with your sentiments, isn't it obvious
to one and all that "Everyman" is a Richard H. sockpuppet?

No. There is little to suggest that.

For the record, Everyman is nothing to do with me. My track record in
Usenet demonstrates that I have no qualms about using my own name no
matter who I'm arguing with. Since "Kenny McCormack" is itself a
pseudonym, his opinion on sock puppets is very suspect.

McCormack appears to be of the opinion that a sock puppet belongs to a
person whose opinions the puppet agrees with. If that is so, then it would
seem that McCormack is a sock puppet of Riley, Navia, maybe Reid, and -
nobody else. I am not making that claim, however. I am merely pointing out
how it seems. And in fact I don't think that Everyman's "plan for Jacob"
is a particularly good idea.

Are you sure he's not Kenny McC. trying once again to stir the pot with
his anti-social trolling?

It is clear to me that an attempt has been made to imitate my writing
style. Nevertheless, such attempts are inevitably flawed. If necessary,
I'll go looking for some flaws. But I don't think it's necessary. Whoever
*is* behind Everyman, it is clear that clc as a group accepts that it
isn't me, despite the muckraking attempts of the trolls - for which I
thank the group.

 

[Mark McIntyre]

I'm afraid I don't see it as the 'Jacob situation', though.

You've not been watching long enough...
JN has been a consistent and flagrant ignorer of the topic of this
group for a long time. His standard response to being told he's off
topic is to complain that he's being victimised and blame the other
person.

It takes
two to tango, and from where I'm standing the insults heading toward
Jacob are far worse than those heading away.

Probably because jacob whines and whines and like with an irritating
child who never shuts up, eventually everyone loses their patience.

--
Mark McIntyre

"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it."
--Brian Kernighan

 

[Chris Hills]

The best solution I can currently think of is this: someone could create
a webpage describing (completely rationally, with no emotive language)
why Jacob's unique view of C is not to be trusted,

That is not to be trusted in your opinion....

and explaining how
new readers can killfile him in popular newsreaders. Then an automated
bot could post a followup to each of Jacob's posts with a link to this
URL.

This would amount to abuse. (Not to mention censorship)

Do other people think this might be a workable solution?

Absolutely not

 

[Richard Heathfield]

Chris Hills said:

That is not to be trusted in your opinion....

Well, to be fair, whether Mr Navia's unique view of C is not to be trusted,
at least as far as comp.lang.c is concerned, is a matter that can be
settled with reference to the language specifications (and has been, many
times). But yes, I do agree with your point that such a document would be
very prone to bias.

This would amount to abuse. (Not to mention censorship)

It would certainly amount to abuse. I cannot see how it would amount to
censorship.

Absolutely not

Agreed, but not because a reply-bot would amount to censorship (which it
would not); but rather because it would be an abuse of the comp.lang.c
newsgroup.

 

[Richard]

Martin Ambuhl said:

I don't think it's too much of an exaggeration to say that the Jacob
situation is reaching crisis proportions for clc.
[...]
Agreed. When cowardly twits feel free to launch anonymous
attacks, we have a crisis. And you, you pusillanimous piece of
pseudonymous pigeon poop, are it.

While I certainly don't disagree with your sentiments, isn't it obvious
to one and all that "Everyman" is a Richard H. sockpuppet?

No. There is little to suggest that.

For the record, Everyman is nothing to do with me. My track record in
Usenet demonstrates that I have no qualms about using my own name no
matter who I'm arguing with. Since "Kenny McCormack" is itself a
pseudonym, his opinion on sock puppets is very suspect.

McCormack appears to be of the opinion that a sock puppet belongs to a
person whose opinions the puppet agrees with. If that is so, then it would
seem that McCormack is a sock puppet of Riley, Navia, maybe Reid, and -
nobody else. I am not making that claim, however. I am merely pointing out
how it seems. And in fact I don't think that Everyman's "plan for Jacob"
is a particularly good idea.

The fact that I think you are rude, arrogant and abrasive does not mean
I am anyones sock puppet or vice versa.

Frankly I find your little war against Jacob unsavoury and it is clear
that although you revel in your killfiling of him you never miss an
opportunity to express your poisonous views about him in a followup to a
followup.

I also don't think for one minute that the OP was you.

 

[Richard]

Yeah, fair enough. The board seems to be ok at the moment, and i
remember some good recent discussions about type punning and em...

I'd just like clc to lay off the j-baiting. It causes more noise than
it's worth, it doesn't achieve anything. I really think that some

This has been my point for ages now. But Heathfield in particular thinks
he has a god given right to hound and abuse other posters for reasons
known only to him. There is far more noise from him and similar than any
"troll posts". But of course in Heathfield's mind anyone who disagrees
with his "directives" with regard to content and topicality is
immediately a "troll".

 

[Clever Monkey]

I don't think it's too much of an exaggeration to say that the Jacob
situation is reaching crisis proportions for clc.

Just imagine the view a new poster gets of the group: he asks a
question, receives several answers of varying degrees of helpfulness,
and then somewhere along the line Jacob interjects an asinine comment
and the thread degenerates into a sprawling and acrimonious war of
words: people pointing out (for the nth time) why Jacob is wrong, while
he steadfastly refuses to admit any error in anything he says and at the
same time turns up the emotional heat with acerbic personal attacks on
the regulars here.

Par for the course; business as usual; expected and understood.

USENET sees spammers and trolls as damage, and routes around it. The
key is that /we/ are the nodes that do the routing.

If you feel you must respond to silly posts (and I'm guilty as charged,
guv'nor!) then why engage in pointless flames? Why not respond with a
droll comment, set follow-ups to alt.troll, and be done with it.

The SNR of technical newsgroups have waxed and waned over the years. I
may be dating myself when I say that it used to be higher in the past,
but I don't think there is much to be done about that. It ain't just
the trolls and Google-newbies that are now a perennial problem; the fact
is that the internet has replaced much of the value that USENET used to
offer.

There may be continued benefit from participating in USENET threads (and
I'm not saying there isn't) but breaking out the pitchforks and torches
in order to cleanse our corner of it is not going to help with that.

 

[Al Balmer]

... sees that Jacob has an anonymous stalker.

Anonymous, but perhaps not unknown, given one of the followups. I
presume he thought it was a clever plot.

 

[user923005]

I take it you weren't around a decade or so ago in the Scott Nudds
days. You have no idea what a crisis in clc is.

/* For old time's sake: */
#define PERSONAL_INSULT_COUNT 14
#define GENERIC_INSULT_COUNT 35
#define DERIDE_LANGUAGE_COUNT 8
#define DERIDE_UNIX_COUNT 6
#define DODGE_COUNT 26
#define TRIPE_COUNT 10
static const char*PersonalInsults[PERSONAL_INSULT_COUNT+1]={"%s derides
\
the term 'software engineering'\n","%s does not think. He simply jabb
\
ers.\n","%s is a clueless juvi, and ignorant if recent history.\n","%s
\
is a liar. I have never said anything of the kind.\n","%s is clearly a
\
hack and should not be put in a position of trust\n","%s is the new ch
\
ampion of false codeing speed claims.\n","%s loves to assume that error
\
s never happen.\n","I expect to see an apology %s.\n","Is %s a hack? O
\
r is he a software engineer?\n","It is obvious that %s's comments are i
\
ncorrect.\n","Logic is not one of %s's strong points.\n","More irreleva
\
nce from %s. It doesn't matter in the slightest\n","This is nothing bu
\
t wishful thinking on %s's part.\n","What %s thinks is true is often ir
\
rational.\n",0};static const char*GenericInsults[GENERIC_INSULT_COUNT
+1]
={"Conclusion? You are a fool. This is a statement of fact.\n","Death
\
is too good for them.\n","He is demented.\n","He remains clueless.
\n",
"More proof that you are an idiot.\n","No rational mind could conclude
\
otherwise.\n","No such assumption can be made. You are demented.\n","Q
\
uite stupid.\n","There is no insult here. You are demented. It is a f
\
act.\n","They will say anything to defend their pathetic religion.
\n","\
They will say anything to defend their slothful religion.\n","They will
\
say anything.\n","Think, before you jabber further.\n","Unfortunately
\
his repsonse was incorrect, and childishly naive.\n","What is your excu
\
se?\n","What planet are you from?\n","Where is the insult? You claim i
\
s a fabrication.\n","Who am I to argue with language bigots?\n","Who ca
\
res.\n","Why do you continue to fail to provide an example?\n","Why don
\
't you?\n","Why isn't this clear to you? It's perfectly obvious to me?
\
\n","With the above nonsense, this is impossible.\n","You are demented.
\
\n","You fail to see because you wish to keep your eyes closed.\n","You
\
have contradicted yourself.\n","You most certianly are demented if thi
\
s is what you believe.\n","You need to break your habit of introducing
\
irrelevance into threads.\n","You see only what your sad religion allow
\
s you to see.\n","You see only what your sick religion allows you to se
\
e.\n","You should invest in a dictionary.\n","Your are demented.\n","Yo
\
ur position is demented.\n","Your religion prevents you from expressing
\
many blind facts.\n","Yours is a straw man, not worthy of consideratio
\
n.\n",0};static const char*DerideLanguage[DERIDE_LANGUAGE_COUNT+1]={"C
\
is a myth and a scam.\n","C is an abomination.\n","C pushers will deny
\
any truth in the defense of their sad religion.\n","C pushers will say
\
anything.\n","Clearly the C pusher claim that C is portable is a myth a
\
nd a scam.\n","Despite himself, and his pathetic C religion, he is lear
\
ning.\n","The C pushers that remain, are mindless Juvi's.\n","The C rel
\
igion apparently demands it.\n",0};static const char*DerideUnix[
DERIDE_UNIX_COUNT+1]={"Unix continues to shrink into irrelevance.\n","U
\
nix is history.\n","Unix pushers was incorrect, yet you claim that I am
\
wrong.\n","Unix pushers will say anything to defend their pathetic rel
\
igion.\n","Why would they waste their time learning Unix?\n","Yes, Unix
\
is dying. The statistics show it.\n",0};static const char*Dodge[
DODGE_COUNT+1]={"Completely Irrelevant.\n","Examples noted.. and delete
\
d for brevity.\n","Human language is filled with imprecision.\n","I am
\
afraid to say that you fall into this classification.\n","I can only as
\
sume he agrees with the statement.\n","I can only laugh and shake my he
\
ad...\n","I don't know any recent CPU's for which this is true.\n","I h
\
ave. You have not. As your following questions show.\n","I laugh.
\n",
"In the future no OS will be without a integrated GUI. The trend is obv
\
ious.\n","Irrelevant.\n","It follows logically that Java assembler is a
\
portable assembler.\n","It is an undeniable truth that Java is portabl
\
e.\n","It will take years. We have time.\n","It's all so obvious..
\n",
"Of course not. I restate it....\n","The environment may, at its optio
\
n implement these checks.\n","There is no break in portability, you are
\
simply confused.\n","They will laugh, as I am laughing now.\n","This i
\
s absolutely true. And it is absolutely irrelevant.\n","Watch and lear
\
n...\n","What compiler? I have proposed or supported no compiler.
\n","\
Why not? Its perfectly acceptable in many situations.\n","Without the
\
ability to measure, there can be no discussion of how much.\n","Yes, we
\
ll my list wasn't extensive. Here is a more complete one.\n","You are
\
confused. I still have the statistics here beside me.\n",0};static
const char*MeaninglessTripe[TRIPE_COUNT+1]={"Java assembler is a porta
\
ble assembler.\n","Juvenile is a state of mine.\n","Natural languages a
\
re most certainly not case sensitive.\n","Only command line driven tras
\
h can be portably written in C.\n","PC's will never have gigabytes of R
\
AM.\n","Secure computing environments demand these things.\n","Semantic
\
s is an illusion. There is only rule based symbol manipulation.\n","The
\
code you present is command line driven trash.\n","Traditional assembl
\
ers are inadequate for modern programming tasks.\n","Typically, code th
\
at will shut down the application.\n",0};
#include<limits.h>
#include<stdio.h>
#include<math.h>
#include<time.h>
#include<stdlib.h>
int rand_range(int n){return(int)((double)rand()/((double)RAND_MAX
+1)*n)
;}void usage(void);int main(int argc,char**argv){int i;if(argc!
=3)usage(
);srand((unsigned)fmod(fabs((double)time(NULL)),(double)UINT_MAX));
printf("%s claims that %s.\n",argv[2],argv[1]);for(i=0;i<rand()%4+1;i+
+)
{printf(PersonalInsults[rand_range(PERSONAL_INSULT_COUNT)],argv[2]);
printf(Dodge[rand_range(DODGE_COUNT)]);printf(GenericInsults[rand_range(
GENERIC_INSULT_COUNT)]);printf(MeaninglessTripe[rand_range(TRIPE_COUNT)]
);printf(DerideLanguage[rand_range(DERIDE_LANGUAGE_COUNT)]);printf(
DerideUnix[rand_range(DERIDE_UNIX_COUNT)]);}return EXIT_SUCCESS;}void
usage(void){puts("Usage:\n\tNUDDSPAM <subject> <name>");exit(
EXIT_FAILURE);}

 

[CBFalconer]

.... snip original code ...

I took it on myself to convert it into understandable (but
identical) code. Enjoy.

/* For old time's sake: */
#define PERSONAL_INSULT_COUNT 14
#define GENERIC_INSULT_COUNT 35
#define DERIDE_LANGUAGE_COUNT 8
#define DERIDE_UNIX_COUNT 6
#define DODGE_COUNT 26
#define TRIPE_COUNT 10

static const char *PersonalInsults[PERSONAL_INSULT_COUNT+1] = {
"%s derides the term 'software engineering'\n",
"%s does not think. He simply jabbers.\n",
"%s is a clueless juvi, and ignorant if recent history.\n",
"%s is a liar. I have never said anything of the kind.\n",
"%s is clearly a hack and should not be put in a position"
" of trust\n",
"%s is the new champion of false codeing speed claims.\n",
"%s loves to assume that errors never happen.\n",
"I expect to see an apology %s.\n",
"Is %s a hack? Or is he a software engineer?\n",
"It is obvious that %s's comments are incorrect.\n",
"Logic is not one of %s's strong points.\n",
"More irrelevance from %s."
" It doesn't matter in the slightest\n",
"This is nothing but wishful thinking on %s's part.\n",
"What %s thinks is true is often irrational.\n",0};

static const char*GenericInsults[GENERIC_INSULT_COUNT+1] = {
"Conclusion? You are a fool. This is a statement of fact.\n",
"Death is too good for them.\n",
"He is demented.\n",
"He remains clueless.\n",
"More proof that you are an idiot.\n",
"No rational mind could concludeotherwise.\n",
"No such assumption can be made. You are demented.\n",
"Quite stupid.\n",
"There is no insult here. You are demented."
" It is a fact.\n",
"They will say anything to defend their pathetic religion.\n",
"They will say anything to defend their slothful religion.\n",
"They will say anything.\n",
"Think, before you jabber further.\n",
"Unfortunately his repsonse was incorrect,"
" and childishly naive.\n",
"What is your excuse?\n",
"What planet are you from?\n",
"Where is the insult? You claim is a fabrication.\n",
"Who am I to argue with language bigots?\n",
"Who cares.\n",
"Why do you continue to fail to provide an example?\n",
"Why don't you?\n",
"Why isn't this clear to you? It's perfectly obvious to me?\n",
"With the above nonsense, this is impossible.\n",
"You are demented.\n",
"You fail to see because you wish to keep your eyes closed.\n",
"You have contradicted yourself.\n",
"You most certianly are demented"
" if this is what you believe.\n",
"You need to break your habit of introducing"
" irrelevance into threads.\n",
"You see only what your sad religion allows you to see.\n",
"You see only what your sick religion allows you to see.\n",
"You should invest in a dictionary.\n",
"Your are demented.\n",
"Your position is demented.\n",
"Your religion prevents you from expressing"
" many blind facts.\n",
"Yours is a straw man, not worthy of consideration.\n",0};

static const char*DerideLanguage[DERIDE_LANGUAGE_COUNT+1] = {
"C is a myth and a scam.\n",
"C is an abomination.\n",
"C pushers will deny any truth"
" in the defense of their sad religion.\n",
"C pushers will sayanything.\n",
"Clearly the C pusher claim that C"
" is portable is a myth and a scam.\n",
"Despite himself, and his pathetic C religion,"
" he is learning.\n",
"The C pushers that remain, are mindless Juvi's.\n",
"The C religion apparently demands it.\n",0};

static const char*DerideUnix[DERIDE_UNIX_COUNT + 1] = {
"Unix continues to shrink into irrelevance.\n",
"Unix is history.\n",
"Unix pushers was incorrect, yet you claim that I am wrong.\n",
"Unix pushers will say anything to defend their"
" pathetic religion.\n",
"Why would they waste their time learning Unix?\n",
"Yes, Unix is dying. The statistics show it.\n",0};

static const char*Dodge[DODGE_COUNT+1] = {
"Completely Irrelevant.\n",
"Examples noted.. and deleted for brevity.\n",
"Human language is filled with imprecision.\n",
"I am afraid to say that you fall into this classification.\n",
"I can only assume he agrees with the statement.\n",
"I can only laugh and shake my head...\n",
"I don't know any recent CPU's for which this is true.\n",
"I have. You have not. As your following questions show.\n",
"I laugh.\n",
"In the future no OS will be without a integrated GUI."
" The trend is obvious.\n",
"Irrelevant.\n",
"It follows logically that Java assembler is a"
" portable assembler.\n",
"It is an undeniable truth that Java is portable.\n",
"It will take years. We have time.\n",
"It's all so obvious..\n",
"Of course not. I restate it....\n",
"The environment may, at its option implement these checks.\n",
"There is no break in portability, you are simply confused.\n",
"They will laugh, as I am laughing now.\n",
"This is absolutely true. And it is absolutely irrelevant.\n",
"Watch and learn...\n",
"What compiler? I have proposed or supported no compiler.\n",
"Why not? Its perfectly acceptable in many situations.\n",
"Without the ability to measure,"
" there can be no discussion of how much.\n",
"Yes, well my list wasn't extensive."
" Here is a more complete one.\n",
"You are confused."
" I still have the statistics here beside me.\n",0};

static const char*MeaninglessTripe[TRIPE_COUNT+1] = {
"Java assembler is a portable assembler.\n",
"Juvenile is a state of mine.\n",
"Natural languages are most certainly not case sensitive.\n",
"Only command line driven trash"
" can be portably written in C.\n",
"PC's will never have gigabytes of RAM.\n",
"Secure computing environments demand these things.\n",
"Semantics is an illusion."
" There is only rule based symbol manipulation.\n",
"The code you present is command line driven trash.\n",
"Traditional assemblers are inadequate"
" for modern programming tasks.\n",
"Typically, code that will shut down the application.\n",0};

#include<limits.h>
#include<stdio.h>
#include<math.h>
#include<time.h>
#include<stdlib.h>

int rand_range(int n) {
return(int)((double)rand() / ((double)RAND_MAX + 1) * n);
}

void usage(void);

int main(int argc, char **argv) {
int i;

if (argc != 3)usage();
srand((unsigned)fmod(fabs((double)time(NULL)),
(double)UINT_MAX));
printf("%s claims that %s.\n", argv[2], argv[1]);
for(i = 0; i < rand() % 4 + 1; i++) {
printf(PersonalInsults[rand_range(PERSONAL_INSULT_COUNT)],
argv[2]);
printf(Dodge[rand_range(DODGE_COUNT)]);
printf(GenericInsults[rand_range(GENERIC_INSULT_COUNT)]);
printf(MeaninglessTripe[rand_range(TRIPE_COUNT)]);
printf(DerideLanguage[rand_range(DERIDE_LANGUAGE_COUNT)]);
printf(DerideUnix[rand_range(DERIDE_UNIX_COUNT)]);
}
return EXIT_SUCCESS;
}

void usage(void) {
puts("Usage:\n\tNUDDSPAM <subject> <name>");
exit(EXIT_FAILURE);
}