T
Tad McClellan
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to
open your mouth and remove all doubt.
*plonk*
Adding a delimiter inbetween number characters and letter characters
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to
open your mouth and remove all doubt.
*plonk*
T
Tad McClellan
We help those who help themselves.
*You* post a little snippet of code for us, and we will [1]
help you fix it.
This is not a "write my program for me" service.
[1] Except that you are now likely to be widely killfiled...
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Tad McClellan
Please show us exactly what obscenities Sherm posted that
you are referring to.
(it is customary to quote some context when composing a followup.)
I for one, think you are making stuff up to support your
untenable position.
T
Tad McClellan
Usenet was *never* DejaNews.
Usenet has been chugging along since 1979, long before Deja's existence.
A
A. Sinan Unur
(e-mail address removed) wrote in @c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Lucky for us, this is not Fifth Wheel, we don't care about what you find
attractive.
Sinan.
Lucky for us, this is not Fifth Wheel, we don't care about what you find
attractive.
Sinan.
J
Jürgen Exner
"These groups" never were DejaNews.
DejaNews simply provided an archive for Usenet.
jue
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Arndt Jonasson
Tad McClellan said:
Didn't you plonk him five minutes ago?
A
Arndt Jonasson
A. Sinan Unur said:
What's "Fifth wheel"? I didn't find google's hits helpful.
T
Tad McClellan
Arndt Jonasson said:
Yes, but I usually manually un-delete them for a few days to either:
Be amused at yet another example of human idiocy (until it becomes tedious)
Make further points in this thread while ignoring future threads
Make sure I didn't knee-jerk someone in who doesn't truly belong
Show the valuable type of response that getting killfiled costs them
Actually answer the question because it is an unusually slow day
and I have time to give, even to those who won't respect it
I also occasionally un-delete long-killfiled folks to check up
on how they are behaving.
Getting killfiled does not guarantee ignoration, it only makes
it much more likely.
T
Tad McClellan
Arndt Jonasson said:
It is a dating "game show" on television in the U.S. where a
fifth person is added after four people (2 male, 2 female)
have gone out on a few dates together.
I guess that what happens to the existing relationships after adding
"the fifth wheel" is supposed to be entertaining or interesting...
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Michele Dondi
There's hardly any need IMHO to include line numbers. To be fair,
personally I find them to be disturbing...
Do you _really_ need this $lastline algorithmic madness?
There's no need to use the &-form of sub call in Perl5: most likely it
won't do what you mean. See 'perldoc perlsub'.
Michele
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Michele Dondi
Incidentally, I have very little experience with databases, but if
this is your purpose then there are much much much better ways (all in
perl, that is) to accomplish the task than following the awkward path
you've chosen.
Michele
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Michele Dondi
This _does_ make sense, per se. BUT if you analize the matter more
closely, then you find out the kind of question you asked is SO
elementary that you can hardly imagine one to have even the slightest
good will to "move on" if he refuses to accept the advices he's given
as a good chance to learn. He's not directed you to a study that could
possibly take you days or even hours, it's just a matter of 5 minutes
or so, period.
So there are two possibilities: (i) you don't know Perl, and you don't
want to, and claim so; so you're asking una tantum: so far so fine!
Then most probably someone will give you a helping hand anyway. (ii)
you need/must/want to use perl more than once, as your postS suggest,
then it' UNREASONABLE to proceed without learning how to do such a
simple task as the one you described: it's typically described in the
very first few pages of any introductory text, be it either in
commercial hardcopy or in the form of a free document online. It may
not seem to you to be so, but you've been KINDLY directed to the
relevant piecese od documentation.
I say "KINDLY", because anybody who would send you to said docs is
doing you a favour.
Does any newsgroup etiquette you're implicitly claiming to be so
familiar with recommend to post replies with no reference whatsoever
to the message they're following up to?!?
Michele
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Michele Dondi
PLEASE do NOT post articles containing no reference whatsoever to...
whatever you're replying to.
PLEASE do NOT post the same article twice.
Michele
M
Michele Dondi
Your post indeed violated partly implicit partly explicit behavioural
rules arosen from some sort of general consensus amongst the regulars
here out of common sense to make communications here achieve a high
signal/noise ratio.
You'd be surprised to hear this, and you're free not to trust me on my
word (but you really should, instead!) but newbies more or less at
your level continuously ask questions more or less at the level of
yours. And you won't believe how many of them thank the regulars here
with cmts like "thank you for the responsiveness, what a wonderful
group"!
However no matter how little one knows about Perl, (i) WHAT one asks,
(ii) HOW he/she asks it and (iii) HOW they're willing to accept the
replies DO matter...
This kind of people, when directed to the relevant docs, even by means
of a "gentle RTFM!" have the intelligence and the common sense to
understand that they've been given good advice.
OTOH every now and again newbies with an attitude pop in reacting
harshly, like you did, to just the same kind of replies and start
arguing about how unfriendly the group is and similar stuff, thus
rapidly ending in the killfile of the most helpful, knowledgeable and
resourceful regulars.
The point is that as long as this is una tantum it's ok. But the claim
that you're willing to know more about Perl is INCOMPATIBLE with the
refusal of finding by yourself "how to do it", especially when finding
out "how to do it" in the relevant docs you've been pointed to is a
matter of 5 MINUTES!!
Incidentally, FWIW I think it's incompatible with the claim that "you
already knew about those references", because you can't have read them
and not know "how to do it" or else you must be a complete moron. Are
you? Are you willing to give that impression?
Michele
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Michele Dondi
Please note that just about EVERYBODY who answered in the first place
DID have the answer, be it in the RTFM form or not. And IN THIS CASE
indeed the RTFM ones were the best.
3rd attempt: please include (properly trimmed down to the bare
necessary minimum) quotes of the relevant material you're replying
to!!! (especially taking into account your claims about etiquette -
that begin to sound ridicule!)
Michele
M
Michele Dondi
4th attempt: please include (properly trimmed down to the bare
necessary minimum) quotes of the relevant material you're replying
to!!! (especially taking into account your claims about etiquette -
that begin to sound ridicule!)
Up to the point I read this post in this thread, no obscenity had
popped in. For sure not in Sherm's post, that oh... you didn't quote,
BTW.
COMPLEX regexen tend to become confusing, that's what /x is for.
However they can still be confusing, but that's to a large extent a
personal matter. There's NO way a regex just as simple and elementary
like the one required for your purpose can be confusing, or else
abandon Perl (and whatever has to do with regexen) altogether,
forever.
IMHO comparing what others wrote in this thread and the kind of
reaction you responded with suggest that there's only one person that
should put emotions aside, namely YOU. But that is MHO...
No it isn't, IF RTM is a matter of a few lines that first or later you
will have to read anyway, if you're willing to do anything useful in
Perl, that is...
No, it doesn't. I think you're about the only one who interpreted it
so. I ASSURE you that nobody would ever assume such a tone in relation
to such a trivial matter.
I know that when it happened to me so, it has been a good chance to
learn something new. I have accepted the advice respectfully...
Granted, first or later you'll find idiots who think to be experts and
will give you an RTFM kinda answer even whtn "RTFM" is not so obvious.
Quite similarly first or later you'll find idiots who will give you
ready-made answers (often of mediocre quality at best) when "RTFM"
would have been the kind of answer you would have benefit most.
In practice, had you lurked for a while here, you would have
understood with no doubt that Paul is an extremely helping person and
a knowledgeable contributor to the group, so that if he points you to
the FM, you could at least concede yourself a doubt that he's done so
for your convenience.
Nobody is urging you to become an excellent Perl hacker in a week or
so. Nobody is bashing you for not knowing everything about Perl.
You're being bashed for your refusal to understand that you can't
proceed any further without at least knowing such BASIC.
Please note that those who helped did so DESPITE and not BECAUSE OF
your arrogance. Quite about anybody here could have helped you the way
you mean "to help", but you have to understand that those who gave you
a different answer did help you as well...
Michele
necessary minimum) quotes of the relevant material you're replying
to!!! (especially taking into account your claims about etiquette -
that begin to sound ridicule!)
Up to the point I read this post in this thread, no obscenity had
popped in. For sure not in Sherm's post, that oh... you didn't quote,
BTW.
COMPLEX regexen tend to become confusing, that's what /x is for.
However they can still be confusing, but that's to a large extent a
personal matter. There's NO way a regex just as simple and elementary
like the one required for your purpose can be confusing, or else
abandon Perl (and whatever has to do with regexen) altogether,
forever.
IMHO comparing what others wrote in this thread and the kind of
reaction you responded with suggest that there's only one person that
should put emotions aside, namely YOU. But that is MHO...
No it isn't, IF RTM is a matter of a few lines that first or later you
will have to read anyway, if you're willing to do anything useful in
Perl, that is...
No, it doesn't. I think you're about the only one who interpreted it
so. I ASSURE you that nobody would ever assume such a tone in relation
to such a trivial matter.
I know that when it happened to me so, it has been a good chance to
learn something new. I have accepted the advice respectfully...
Granted, first or later you'll find idiots who think to be experts and
will give you an RTFM kinda answer even whtn "RTFM" is not so obvious.
Quite similarly first or later you'll find idiots who will give you
ready-made answers (often of mediocre quality at best) when "RTFM"
would have been the kind of answer you would have benefit most.
In practice, had you lurked for a while here, you would have
understood with no doubt that Paul is an extremely helping person and
a knowledgeable contributor to the group, so that if he points you to
the FM, you could at least concede yourself a doubt that he's done so
for your convenience.
Nobody is urging you to become an excellent Perl hacker in a week or
so. Nobody is bashing you for not knowing everything about Perl.
You're being bashed for your refusal to understand that you can't
proceed any further without at least knowing such BASIC.
Please note that those who helped did so DESPITE and not BECAUSE OF
your arrogance. Quite about anybody here could have helped you the way
you mean "to help", but you have to understand that those who gave you
a different answer did help you as well...
Michele
M
Michele Dondi
5th attempt: please include (properly trimmed down to the bare
necessary minimum) quotes of the relevant material you're replying
to!!! (especially taking into account your claims about etiquette -
that begin to sound ridicule!)
Please do not send multiple copies of the same posts...
Please, do your best to stop harassing the group...
Michele
M
Michele Dondi
6th attempt: please include (properly trimmed down to the bare
necessary minimum) quotes of the relevant material you're replying
to!!! (especially taking into account your claims about etiquette -
that begin to sound ridicule!)
HUH?!? He made a joke, but once again it seems to me that you're
really attributing to others your own faults for nobody but YOU let
his own temper get the best of himself...
It would have been, had you the care of reading those docs.
And if you did read them as you've repeatedly claimed (but I find it
hard to believe!) then you should have pointed so in the first place,
and you should have pointed out what you find so hard to understand
about them, too, so that somebody could have provided useful comments
on those particular issues.
So what?!?
(I) Technically "these groups" (which ones? As far as I can see you're
only posting to clpmisc) are NOT "a forum". (II) It has NEVER "been
DejaNews", just as much as now it is NOT "Google".
Claims like these tend to strenghten the impression you've not the
smallest clue about what you're talking about and together with the
arrogant tone you're bringing them in give them impression you're
trying to do the best to make a fool of yourself...
Michele
necessary minimum) quotes of the relevant material you're replying
to!!! (especially taking into account your claims about etiquette -
that begin to sound ridicule!)
HUH?!? He made a joke, but once again it seems to me that you're
really attributing to others your own faults for nobody but YOU let
his own temper get the best of himself...
It would have been, had you the care of reading those docs.
And if you did read them as you've repeatedly claimed (but I find it
hard to believe!) then you should have pointed so in the first place,
and you should have pointed out what you find so hard to understand
about them, too, so that somebody could have provided useful comments
on those particular issues.
So what?!?
(I) Technically "these groups" (which ones? As far as I can see you're
only posting to clpmisc) are NOT "a forum". (II) It has NEVER "been
DejaNews", just as much as now it is NOT "Google".
Claims like these tend to strenghten the impression you've not the
smallest clue about what you're talking about and together with the
arrogant tone you're bringing them in give them impression you're
trying to do the best to make a fool of yourself...
Michele
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Sherm Pendley
Michele said:
10 PRINT "Having BASIC flashbacks, Michele?
"20 GOTO 10
sherm--