Am I a programmer or a scripter?

[Uri Guttman]

JB> So we are script programmers :-D. We should be paid extra since we do
JB> two things at the same time ;-)

i are a software engineer. i don't program. i can analyze, design,
archititect, document, refactor, disparage, insult, consult, praise,
shred, code and debug.

uri

 

[John Bokma]

Many a true word is spoken in jest.

On my "first computer" (which was already obsolete when I met it in
1958), the real experts couldn't be bothered to print out the answer -
they just walked over and read it off the dekatrons.

I debugged software and hardware using a radio :-D

I could hear what my ZX Spectrum was downloading (graphics, music, code).

 

[John Bokma]

All programs are ultimately interpreted, even if that is machine code
interpreted in hardware (or, in the case of Pentiums, JIT compiled to a
lower level of machine code... . Some languages are compiled (into
another language) before interpretation, some are not.

I agree 100%. I had a nice discussion about this in alt.www.webmasters
:-D. I had to explain about how some processors use microcode :-D.

FWIW, I'd say the difference between a program and a script is that a
script is simply a (relatively) trivial automation of something one
could do by hand whereas a program is more complex than that. Language is
irrelevant.

And that is also false :-D. A script is a program. You can do in a
scripting language a non-trivial task :-D

A script is *the* program. If you modify the script, you modify the
program. Also I add that a script must be human readable. Otherwise
handcoded Java byte code could be called a script too.

Yeah, it's al vague.

 

[Tintin]

Mothra <[email protected]> wrote in message


Well a lot of folks consider an interputed language scripting and a
language that needs to be compiled programming. Whatever floats your
boat.

A programmer is a person who uses a language that has a lot of marketing
hype and/or costs a lot of money.

A scripter is a person who couldn't give a fig if he/she programs or
scripts, just so long as they use the right language for the job.

 

[I H H]

So we are script programmers :-D. We should be paid extra since we do

I am just humble pimple on camel's hump, Tool used by Universe, A Script
Editor, perl just flows trough me.)

 

[lvirden]

:On Tue, 25 May 2004 12:09:20 +0000, Mothra scribbled furiously:
:
:> I encounter some snobbery from time to time with programmers telling me
:> that what I'm doing is "just scripting", whereas the stuff they write
:> (in Java, ColdFusion, C++ etc) is "real programming".

Interesting - I've had people say the same general thing about ColdFusion
as well. In fact, this person basically said that someone doing
ColdFusion, Perl, Tcl, Shell, etc. wasn't doing 'real programming' and
would need to get experience with a 'real language' like Java.

 

[Aldric L'Hernault]

A programmer is a person who uses a language that has a lot of marketing
hype and/or costs a lot of money.

A scripter is a person who couldn't give a fig if he/she programs or
scripts, just so long as they use the right language for the job.

I love your definition, but it has to be completed:

Scripting is leaving clean open source as text file, whereas programming
is mainly obfuscating messy code behind any kind of binary format.

Else why wouldn't all source code being released in public domain ?
Programmers are scared not so about their code being stolen, but overall
about it being criticized

Hope programmers have a wide sens of humor

Aldric

 

[Tintin]

I am just humble pimple on camel's hump, Tool used by Universe, A Script
Editor, perl just flows trough me.)

Almost sounds like Perl poetry, except it doesn't compile.

 

[Doug Hutcheson]

Almost sounds like Perl poetry, except it doesn't compile.

Must be VB.Nyet then...
"

 

[Steve Lidie]

:On Tue, 25 May 2004 12:09:20 +0000, Mothra scribbled furiously:
:
:> I encounter some snobbery from time to time with programmers telling me
:> that what I'm doing is "just scripting", whereas the stuff they write
:> (in Java, ColdFusion, C++ etc) is "real programming".

Interesting - I've had people say the same general thing about ColdFusion
as well. In fact, this person basically said that someone doing
ColdFusion, Perl, Tcl, Shell, etc. wasn't doing 'real programming' and
would need to get experience with a 'real language' like Java.

Ha! Larry, tell him that you and I can do in 10 lines of Tcl/Perl code
what it shall take him 100 lines in his fine "real programming
language". And we'll be finished sooner and our code will be cleaner
and have fewer, er, bugs, than his code. But of course you already
know that.

Thanks, Tcl meister, for joining our raucous news group ...

Steve