Android apps development

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro

For Android development questions, OK to ask here ?

Only if you have a thick skin.

Android is a bit of a shock to the system to many of the corporate code-
cutter drones who normally hang out here.
 
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Arved Sandstrom

Only if you have a thick skin.

Android is a bit of a shock to the system to many of the corporate code-
cutter drones who normally hang out here.

Android isn't - many of the hide-bound, ossified clients or companies we
work for have aggressive mobile strategies, including Android. _You_ are
a bit of a shock to the system.

AHS
--
That's not the recollection that I recall...All this information is
certainly in the hands of the auditor and we certainly await his report
to indicate what he deems has occurred.
-- Halifax, Nova Scotia mayor Peter Kelly, who is currently deeply in
the shit
 
D

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Only if you have a thick skin.

Android is a bit of a shock to the system to many of the corporate code-
cutter drones who normally hang out here.

:)
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

"corporate code-cutter drones" is not a particularly polite way of
referring to people who have been trying to help you.

Patricia

It's better than "coding monkeys" :)
 
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Lew

Dirk said:

"Many" being a number between zero and zero, since no one who fits that
description hangs out here, "normally" or otherwise.

You also have to consider the source with that remark, which would lead an
intelligent person to discount any possibility of merit.
 
R

Roedy Green

"corporate code-cutter drones" is not a particularly polite way of
referring to people who have been trying to help you.

I find it distressing how rude people are both requesting help and
offering it. A cheap way to put a comedy show on the air is just have
people insult each other. I think a whole new generation has grown up
thinking of insult as a form of entertainment.

The Internet isolates people from a punch in the nose, being screamed
at, threatened or other physical retaliation. You see the same effect
then when people are isolated in cars. They behave quite differently
than they would face to face.
 
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Lew

Patricia said:
Steve Sobol wrote:
I've found the Android discussions here interesting. My doctoral
dissertation research was in ubiquitous computing, and I continue to pay
attention to the subject. One of the limitations has been the way phone
companies lock things up, making it difficult to add research
applications. Android may make things a bit more open, which would be good.

From a pragmatic standpoint, Android is a lucrative gold-rush land for Java
developers, but one must strive mightily to succeed over the herd of other
prospectors staking Android claims in dreams of easy riches. The putative
crowd of cljp denizens comprises an already committed, skilled subgroup of
Java programmers who would thus naturally have both an interest and an edge in
that competition.
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

From a pragmatic standpoint, Android is a lucrative gold-rush land for
Java developers, but one must strive mightily to succeed over the herd
of other prospectors staking Android claims in dreams of easy riches.
The putative crowd of cljp denizens comprises an already committed,
skilled subgroup of Java programmers who would thus naturally have both
an interest and an edge in that competition.
If you're talking mass market apps, that's true.
However, there's plenty of niches for custom apps for control
applications for non mass market hardware eg instrumentation etc.
 
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro

"corporate code-cutter drones" is not a particularly polite way of
referring to people who have been trying to help you.

Who says I was referring to the helpful ones?
 
L

Lawrence D'Oliveiro

Android isn't - many of the hide-bound, ossified clients or companies we
work for have aggressive mobile strategies, including Android.

As Roedy Green has pointed out elsewhere, this is a world with a much
shorter attention span. Frankly, I don’t think most big corporates have the
agility to cope.
_You_ are a bit of a shock to the system.

:)
 
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro

My doctoral dissertation research was in ubiquitous computing ...

How long ago was that, if you don’t mind my asking? :)

(I graduated with an MSc in computer science in 1985, if that helps to even
the score.)

I remember the last interesting things I heard coming out of Xerox PARC was
their idea of “boardsâ€, “pads†and “tabsâ€, which were three different sizes
of wirelessly-networked keyboardless computers. All user data lived in the
cloud, so you could go into any office, pick up any one of these devices,
and have all your own data immediately to hand.
One of the limitations has been the way phone companies lock things up,
making it difficult to add research applications. Android may make things
a bit more open, which would be good.

Amen to that. Though some see that is simply giving more power to the
handset makers and the network operators...
 
T

Tom Anderson

From a pragmatic standpoint, Android is a lucrative gold-rush land for
Java developers,

It is? Is anyone making serious P from Android apps? I know a few people
involved in iPhone apps; none of them have made more than beer money
(well, champagne money, perhaps) from apps they've written themselves, and
one who's contracting to write apps for companies is not exactly coining
it in. Those in my professional circle sweating away in the e-commerce
contracting mines are certainly commanding higher day rates. I can't
imagine Android apps are much different.
but one must strive mightily to succeed over the herd of other
prospectors staking Android claims in dreams of easy riches.

Ah - is your metaphor that many will pan the rivers in vain, but the lucky
few will hit paydirt and become so rich they're paying for the finest
floozies in Sacramento with bags of gold dust? Again, has anyone actually
achieved this? I suppose Roxio probably have; i don't know how much of
that money is going to developers rather than some kind of suited people.
Apparently a chap called Yong Zhang has made a colossal amount of money
from a range of emulators for old video game consoles. Anyone else?

tom
 
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Lew

It is? Is anyone making serious P from Android apps? I know a few people
involved in iPhone apps; none of them have made more than beer money (well,
champagne money, perhaps) from apps they've written themselves, and one who's
contracting to write apps for companies is not exactly coining it in. Those in
my professional circle sweating away in the e-commerce contracting mines are
certainly commanding higher day rates. I can't imagine Android apps are much
different.


Ah - is your metaphor that many will pan the rivers in vain, but the lucky few

There will be rumors of the lucky few, but yes.
will hit paydirt and become so rich they're paying for the finest floozies in
Sacramento with bags of gold dust? Again, has anyone actually achieved this? I

The opportunities for enrichment are similar to those in and around Sutter's
Mill, California, in 1849.
suppose Roxio probably have; i don't know how much of that money is going to
developers rather than some kind of suited people. Apparently a chap called
Yong Zhang has made a colossal amount of money from a range of emulators for
old video game consoles. Anyone else?

If you want to work for a company that develops for Android, it would be nice
to have the skills.
 
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro

I think the trend is in that direction.

Can be a two-edged sword. There have been some high-profile failures of
cloud services.

I don’t think the PARC researchers envisioned that these mobile devices
would have gigabytes of storage on them—enough to do a lot without reference
to any cloud.
 
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Arved Sandstrom

As Roedy Green has pointed out elsewhere, this is a world with a much
shorter attention span. Frankly, I don’t think most big corporates have the
agility to cope.
[ SNIP ]

True agility (not "agile" in the methodology sense) gives you just that
- shorter time-to-market with an equally capable, equal-quality product.
And there's no question that smaller teams with fewer formal
stakeholders, and less rigid process, and fewer managers, can often beat
the big boys. In other words, for the same end-result they are faster.

The downside to being "agile" is that often conservatism and process is
a good thing. Above I qualified carefully: equally capable, and
equal-quality. What actually happens in real life is that the small
teams are often faster...and that's all they are. Nice feature-set, but
badly-tested bug-ridden software, with little or no thought given to how
it fits into a larger ecosystem (because this small, "agile" team is
isolated).

What frequently happens is that the megacorps - with their professional
developers - simply snap up the ideas, once they start to prove out in
the market, maybe keeping one or two of the salvageable original "agile"
coders. The professional developers - the "drones" - are the ones that
actually fix the original code and rewrite it and make it work.
Sometimes (read often) they turf the original codebase because it's so
awful, and only keep the good ideas.

It only seems like there is a magical, quick road to product. There
really isn't.

AHS
--
That's not the recollection that I recall...All this information is
certainly in the hands of the auditor and we certainly await his report
to indicate what he deems has occurred.
-- Halifax, Nova Scotia mayor Peter Kelly, who is currently deeply in
the shit
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Can be a two-edged sword. There have been some high-profile failures of
cloud services.

I don’t think the PARC researchers envisioned that these mobile devices
would have gigabytes of storage on them—enough to do a lot without reference
to any cloud.

When I first started work 2GB of storage took up a whole building of one
of the biggest computer time sharing companies in the UK - Comshare:
http://www.answers.com/topic/comshare-inc

They have done well to survive
 
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vjp2.at

When I got a PPC machine and a Linux machine, I thought I would be able to
gain portability with Java apps.. but that was a mirage.. the only machine I
own where Java works is XP pro. I don't get why Android can't run Java well.
I tis pretty silly from my view.


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Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist
http://www.panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
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