Any utilities to remove the ALL the Microsoft formatting tags?

[Shiperton Henethe]

Tested in two different browsers.

In Dillo 0.7.3 (the lastest release, AFAIK) the site mainly displays well,
although there are one or two random white gaps that I think aren't
supposed to be there.

In Lynx 2.8.5dev.12 the site is practically unusable.

Thanks. I know nothing about Lynx, however.
Does it get called in the Access logs "mozilla"
because I cant see *any* reference to it in our logs...

Ship

 

[David McRitchie]

Hi Ship,
I don't understand not wanting to try a free macro that you run from
Excel so you never have the extra code to begin with. You said
you wanted simple code which you are not likely to
get out of by generating everything and then trying to strip it out.

But here is another free option. Open Office is fairly
much compatible with Excel 2000 no macros. They you have
no complaints about about anybody gouging you, you can just
use the free OpenOffice and be just a few years behind Excel. .

download OpenOffice from http://www.openoffice.org«[49MB],
and Java from http://www.sun.com [9MB] both are free.

you can create HTML from OpenOffice
http://tools.openoffice.org/qa/assertions/file/sav_WebP.html

 

[Toby A Inkster]

Thanks. I know nothing about Lynx, however.
Does it get called in the Access logs "mozilla"
because I cant see *any* reference to it in our logs...

No, it sends a user-agent of "Lynx/{VERSION}" where {VERSION} is the
version being used. Possible reasons for it not showing up in your logs:

- you are only looking at logs of some image hit counter (Lynx doesn't
dipslay inline images) instead of logs of the page itself; or

- possibly there was some kind of caching going on and I was
seeing a cached version of your page. (Although I don't think I'm
behind a cache.)

 

[Tina Holmboe]

Don't forget about browser spoofing. A lot of browsers pretend to be
MSIE, because some sites simply refuse to work when they detect you're

It makes me wonder - how do we know that not ALL requests that come from
"IE" is not by a browser masquerading as such ?

Ah, well.

 

[William Tasso]

Bart Lateur <[email protected]> exclaimed in


It makes me wonder - how do we know that not ALL requests that come
from "IE" is not by a browser masquerading as such ?

a point which nicely underlines the principal that there is nothing to be
gained fromm building a site for use by any one particular browser.

 

[Alexander Johannesen]

It makes me wonder - how do we know that not ALL requests that come from "IE" is not by a browser masquerading as such ?

Come on, think of all the pointy-haired people out there. There are
at least *some* IE's out there.


Alexander

 

[Matt Probert]

No, it sends a user-agent of "Lynx/{VERSION}" where {VERSION} is the
version being used. Possible reasons for it not showing up in your logs:

- you are only looking at logs of some image hit counter (Lynx doesn't
dipslay inline images) instead of logs of the page itself; or

- possibly there was some kind of caching going on and I was
seeing a cached version of your page. (Although I don't think I'm
behind a cache.)

You *probably* are behind a cache, though not directly. Many many
enroute ISPs cache pages.

Matt

 

[Matt Probert]

Don't forget about browser spoofing. A lot of browsers pretend to be
MSIE, because some sites simply refuse to work when they detect you're
using something other than MSIE, even though they'd work fine if they
did.

So the actual number for MSIE is probably a bit lower.

See my post, pay attention to the phrase "purporting to be"

Okay?

<g>

Matt

 

[William Tasso]

You *probably* are behind a cache, though not directly. Many many
enroute ISPs cache pages.

so do well configured web servers.

 

[Karim]

Don't forget about browser spoofing. A lot of browsers pretend to be
MSIE, because some sites simply refuse to work when they detect you're
using something other than MSIE, even though they'd work fine if they
did.

So the actual number for MSIE is probably a bit lower.

Which browsers do that?

 

[Shiperton Henethe]

You *probably* are behind a cache, though not directly. Many many
enroute ISPs cache pages.

FWIW, Opera 7.11 was 6 visits last month that's less than 0.01%

Ship

 

[Shiperton Henethe]

Sorry I dont really have time/energy to learn about writing macros...
Someday.

Re open office. It's worth a thought though I dont really have
the luxury of being a few years behind excel as a point of
principle - just because I hate M$!

Strangely enough "Detagger" has done the job remarkably well.
I have, however, been in touch with the author (who is
extremely obliguing) and he is ironing out a couple
irritating (though not mission-critical) bugs. Should
be red-hot when finished. But I am a harsh critic so we'll see...
I'll keep you guys posted on this.


Ship

Hi Ship,
I don't understand not wanting to try a free macro that you run from
Excel so you never have the extra code to begin with. You said
you wanted simple code which you are not likely to
get out of by generating everything and then trying to strip it out.

But here is another free option. Open Office is fairly
much compatible with Excel 2000 no macros. They you have
no complaints about about anybody gouging you, you can just
use the free OpenOffice and be just a few years behind Excel. .

download OpenOffice from http://www.openoffice.org«[49MB],
and Java from http://www.sun.com [9MB] both are free.

you can create HTML from OpenOffice
http://tools.openoffice.org/qa/assertions/file/sav_WebP.html

---
HTH,
David McRitchie, Microsoft MVP - Excel [site changed Nov. 2001]
My Excel Pages: http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/excel/excel.htm
Search Page: http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/excel/search.htm

b) Eventually I managed to re-find "DETAGGER", from jafsoft.com
I think, which seems to strip out almost all the MS crud admirably.
$20 USD is at the upper limit of what I'm prepared to pay
for a Microsoft drop-off (scam?)

Ship

 

[Brian]

[excessive x-posting removed; f'ups set to ciwah)

FWIW, Opera 7.11 was 6 visits last month that's less than 0.01%

If server logs didn't lie, maybe.

 

[Adrienne]

Which browsers do that?

Opera

 

[Tina Holmboe]

Come on, think of all the pointy-haired people out there. There are
at least *some* IE's out there.

Very true. However, not ALL users of the Internet are PHBs, are they ?

On second though, don't answer that ... I fear I would not be able to
sleep knowing the Truth.

 

[Tina Holmboe]

Karim <karim3411@!!yahoo!!.com> exclaimed in <[email protected]>:

[quoting Bart Lateur]

Which browsers do that?

Exactly.

 

[Alexander Johannesen]

Don't forget about browser spoofing. A lot of browsers pretend to be

Opera

To clarify; mine doesn't, but the *default* setting is to identify
as IE, which is unfortunate as a default behaviour.


Alexander

 

[Brian]

but the *default* setting is to identify as IE, which is
unfortunate as a default behaviour.

I certainly agree with you on principle. I'm sure Opera did it to
avoid having customers who know little about browser sniffing download
a trial version, have it fail on various sites, and give it up as a
"broken" browser.

 

[Isofarro]

Which browsers do that?

All of them identifying themselves as Microsoft Internet Explorer.

 

[karim]

All of them identifying themselves as Microsoft Internet Explorer.

Which ones by name? Name some respected browsers who lie about their
identity. Why would anyone use these browsers anyways?

Karim