approx 100 assorted computer/ math/other books

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    The approximately 100 books below are for sale. Mostly a selection of mathematics
    (numerical analysis mostly), computing science (graphics, ai, programming techniques,
    theory, compilers, operating systems, Unix, languages (C, C++, Smalltalk, Java, Pascal,
    Modula etc.), and a sprinkling of others (e.g. surviving as a consultant, writing
    resumes, and so on).

    Most are either new or in as-new condition. Some older ones have begun to attract
    interest from collectors and that is noted (either as "Collectible" or "OOP"). The prices
    are the average asking price by resellers for each book during October, and in cases
    where there is insufficient activity to derive a price that way the price is set to 45%
    of the list price for the book. Buyer pays for shipping by whatever method they select.

    If you are interested in a book reply by email but don't forget to remove the "ABC" from
    my reply address.

    Listing format:

    Title, Author(s), ISBN or ASIN or LCCCN, comments
    Asking price US $/Asking price CDN $


    Applied Cryptograghy. 2nd Ed. Schneier. 0-471-11709-9
    $36.00/$48.00

    Computer Algorithms. Baase, 0-201-00327-9
    $11.00/$14.67

    Numerical Solutions of Partial Differential
    Equations in Science and Engineering. Lapidus/Pinder. 0-471-09866-3
    $90.00/$120.00

    Discrete Mathematical Structures With Applications to Computer Science.
    Tremblay/Manohar. OOP, 0-07-065142-6
    $22.05/$29.40

    The Finite Difference Method in Partial Differntial Equations.
    Mitchell/Griffiths. 0-471-27641-3 OOP
    $150.00/$200.00

    Elements of Discrete Mathematics. Liu. 0-07-038133-x OOP
    $47.25/$63.00

    Numerical Recipes in C. Press/Flannery/Teukolsky/Vetterling.
    0-521-35465-X
    $36.00/$48.00

    Practical C++ Programming. Oualline. 1-56592-139-9
    $19.00/$25.33

    C++ Programming. Berry. 0-672-22619-7 OOP
    $29.00/$38.67

    The Mythical Man-Month. Brooks, Jr. 0-201-83595-9
    $23.00/$30.67

    Computer Architecture and Parallel Processing.
    Hwang/Briggs. 0-07-031556-6
    $40.95/$54.60

    Digital Computer Fundamentals. Bartee. 07-003891-0 OOP
    $20.00/$26.67

    Operating Systems Concepts. Peterson/Silberschatz. 0-201-06097-3
    $20.70/$27.60

    Operating Systems. Katzan, Jr. 0-442-24253-0. 1st Ed. Collectible
    $17.00/$22.67

    Foundations of Microprogramming. Agrawala/Rauscher. 0-12-045150-6
    $27.00/$36.00

    Knock 'em Dead Resumes. Yate. 1-55850-086-3
    $9.00/$12.00

    The Programmers Survival Guide. Ruhl. 0-13-730375-0
    $10.00/$13.33

    How To Write A Useable User Manual. Weiss. 0-89495-052-5 OOP
    $24.00/$32.00

    Programmers And Managers. Kraft. 0-387-90248-1 OOP
    $25.00/$33.33

    The Computer Consultants Guide. Ruhl. 0-471-59661-2
    $18.00/$24.00

    Virtual Reality. Rheingold. 0-671-69363-8 OOP
    $16.00/$21.33

    The Design and Analysis of Computer Algorithms.
    Aho/Hopcroft/Ullman. 0-201-00029-6 Collectible
    $40.00/$53.33

    Data Structures and Algorithms. Aho/Hopcroft/Ullman. 0-201-00023-7
    $33.00/$44.00

    Elements of the Theory of Computation. Lewis/Papadimitriou. 0-13-273417-6.
    Collectible.
    $50.00/$66.67

    Programming Languages, Information Structures, and Machine Organization.
    Computer Science Series ASIN 0070689814
    $11.00/$14.67

    Applied Differential Equations. 2nd Ed. Spiegel. LCCCN 67-10753
    $42.00/$56.00

    The Finite Element Method in Partial Differential Equations.
    Mitchell/Wait. 0-471-99405-7 OOP, limited availability
    $30.00/$40.00

    Software Portability with Imake. 2nd Edition Dubois. 1-56592-226-3
    $14.85/$19.80

    Computer Networks. Tanenbaum. 0-13-165185-8; collectible
    $39.60/$52.80

    Unix Network Programming. Stevens. 0-13-949876-1
    $50.00/$66.67

    Writing Windows VxDs and Device Drivers. Hazzah 0-87930-438-3
    $22.50/$30.00

    Writing Windows WDM Device Drivers. Cant. 0-87930-565-7 collectible
    $37.00/$49.33

    Oracle8i For Dummies. McCullough-Dieter. 0-7645-0798-2
    $14.00/$18.67

    SQL For Dummies. Taylor. 0-7645-0737-0
    $14.00/$18.67

    Access 2002 For Dummies. Kaufeld. 0-7645-0818-0
    $13.00/$17.33

    Windows NT Workstation Version 4.0. 2nd Ed. Stinson/Siechert. 1-57231-226-2
    $15.00/$20.00

    Dos 5 instant Reference. Thomas. 0-89588-804-1
    $7.00/$9.33

    Mastering Windows 95. Cowart. 0-7821-1413-X
    $24.75/$33.00

    Object oriented analysis and design with applications.
    Booch 2nd Ed. 0-8053-5340-2
    $42.00/$56.00

    Open GL programming for Windows 95 and Windows NT.
    Fosner. 0-201-40709-4
    $32.00/$42.67

    The design and evolution of C++. Stroustrup. 0-201-54330-3
    $30.00/$40.00

    Graphics gems I. Glassner. 0-12-286165-5
    $32.00/$42.67

    Graphics gems II. Arvo. 0-12-064480-0
    $34.00/$45.33

    Graphics gems III (w. Mac disk). Kirk. 0-12-409671-9
    $43.00/$57.33

    $100 US ($135 CDN) for all three Graphics Gems.

    Designing object-oriented user interfaces. Collins. 0-8053-5350-x
    $41.00/$54.67

    MP3 The Definitive Guide. Hacker. 1-56592-661-7
    $13.50/$18.00

    Object-oriented programming for windows. Tello. 0-471-52754-8
    $13.50/$18.00

    Creating your own Netscape web pages. Shafran. 0-7897-0621-0 includes source cd
    $8.00/$10.67

    Instant UML. Muller. 1-861000-87-1
    $21.00/$28.00

    Sams teach yourself UML in 24 hours. Schmuller. 0-672-31636-6
    $11.00/$14.67

    Building web applications with UML. Conallen. 0-201-61577-0
    $18.00/$24.00

    IBM Smalltalk. Smith. 0-8053-0908-x 1994
    $44.00/$58.67

    Firewalls and internet security. Cheswick-Bellovin. 0-201-63357-4
    $19.00/$25.33

    Just Java 2 fourth edition. Linden. 0-13-010534-1 1999
    $21.00/$28.00

    Java servlet programming. Hunter-Crawford. 1-56592-391-x 1998
    $20.25/$27.00

    Managing internet information services.
    Liu/Peek/Jones/Buus/Nye. 1-56592-062-7
    1994
    $13.50/$18.00

    Internetworking with TCP/IP Volume 3 2nd Ed.
    Comer/Stevens. 0-13-260969-x 1996
    $47.00/$62.67

    UML in a nutshell. Alhir. 1-56592-448-7 1998
    $13.00/$17.33

    HTML Source book. Graham. 0-471-11849-4 1995
    $13.50/$18.00

    IPng and the TCP/IP protocols. Thomas. 0-471-13088-5 1996
    $29.00/$38.67

    Code complete. McConnell. 1-55615-484-4 1993
    $22.00/$29.33

    Writing solid code. Maguire. 1-55615-551-4 1993
    $19.00/$25.33

    Object-oriented modeling and design. Rumbaugh/Blaha/Premerlani/Eddy/Lorensen
    0-13-629841-9
    $46.00/$61.33

    Writing device drivers for SCO UNIX a Practical Approach.
    Kettle/Statler. Lots of good non-Sco info as
    well. 0-201-54425-3 OOP unavailable
    $45.00/$60.00

    UNIX papers for UNIX developers and power users.
    The Waite Group. 0-672-22578-6 1987
    $12.15/$16.20

    The handbook of artificial intelligence.
    (Series)
    Volume 1. Barr & Feigenbaum
    0-86576-005-5 1981
    Volume 2. Barr & Feigenbaum
    0-86576-006-3 1982
    Volume 3. Cohen & Feigenbaum
    0-86576-007-1 1982
    $89.00/$123

    Fundamentals of interactive computer graphics.
    Foley/Van Dam 0-201-14468-9
    $20.25/$27.00

    Interactive Computer Graphics. Giloi. 0-13-469189-x 1978 collectible
    $16.00/$21.33

    The Auerbach Annual 1973 best computer papers.
    Auerbach (Ed.) 0-87769-175-4 no price info
    available
    $10.00/$13.33

    Artificial intelligence 2nd edition Winston. 0-201-08259-4 1984 collectible
    $22.50/$30.00

    The systems programming series: Compiler Design Theory.
    Lewis/Rosenkrantz/Stearns 0-201-14455-7
    1976
    $19.00/$25.33

    Introduction to Artificial intelligence. Charniak/McDermott 0-201-11945-5 1985
    Collectible
    $17.55/$23.40

    Modern structured analysis. Yourdon. 0-13-598624-9 1989 Collectible
    $38.00/$50.67

    Principles of compiler design. Aho/Ullman. 0-201-00022-9 1979
    $22.00/$29.33

    Compiler construction. Waite/Goos. 0-387-90821-8, 3-540-90821-8
    1985
    $29.00/$38.67

    An introduction to database systems. Date. 0-201-14452-2 1975 new price
    unavailable
    $12.00/$16.00

    Relational information systems. Merrett. 0-8359-6642-9 1984 Collectible
    $22.00/$29.33

    Smalltalk-80 the language and its implementation.
    Goldberg/Robson. 0-201-11371-6 1983
    Collectible to $125
    $100.00/$133.33

    Programming in modula-2. Wirth. 3-540-12206-0 and 0-387-12206-0 1983
    $22.00/$29.33

    A Guide to PL/I. Pollack/Sterling 03-073295-1 1969 This is 1st
    ed
    $35.00/$46.67

    Distributed Databases principles & systems. Ceri-Pelagatti. 0-07-010829-3 1984
    $30.15/$40.20

    Standard C. Plauger/Brodie 1-55615-158-6
    $5.00/$6.67

    Linux Programming White Papers. Rusling/Pomerantz/Goldt/Raymond. 1-57610-
    473-7
    $16.00/$21.33

    Developing CGI Applications with Perl. Deep/Holfelder. 0-471-14158-5
    $16.00/$21.33

    Computer Chess. Monroe Newborn. 0-12-517250-8
    $24.00/$32.00

    An Introduction to Raytracing. Glassner. 0-2-286160-4
    $64.00/$85.33
     
    , Oct 20, 2003
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  2. David Rubin Guest

    wrote:

    [snip - list of assorted computer/math/other books]

    I'm not familiar with the assort. Can you explain the algorithm?

    /david

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    David Rubin, Oct 21, 2003
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  3. rzed Guest

    David Rubin wrote:
    > wrote:
    >
    > [snip - list of assorted computer/math/other books]
    >
    > I'm not familiar with the assort. Can you explain the algorithm?
    >


    Properly speaking, this is the "as sort" -- that is, sorted as you
    would like it to be. The arguments most implementations accept are
    "if", "is", or <something else>.

    The "as is" sort is the most time-efficient, but boring, variation

    The "as if" sort is the most fantastic, but in some of the newer
    implementations it produces no usable results apart from denial that
    any actual action is necessary.

    The "as something else" sort is more complex and its exact effect
    depends on the something specified. For example: an "as telephone
    numbers" sort will substitute the digits from a telephone keypad for
    letters in the text and sort accordingly. See the manual for more
    information.

    Hope that helps.

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    rzed, Oct 21, 2003
    #3
  4. Phil... Guest

    Here is a sorting method that has the potential of being the fastest.
    1. check if sorted, if so you are done
    2. randomize the collection, go to 1

    "rzed" <> wrote in message
    news:bn3fge$jup$-nexis.com...
    > David Rubin wrote:
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > > [snip - list of assorted computer/math/other books]
    > >
    > > I'm not familiar with the assort. Can you explain the algorithm?
    > >

    >
    > Properly speaking, this is the "as sort" -- that is, sorted as you
    > would like it to be. The arguments most implementations accept are
    > "if", "is", or <something else>.
    >
    > The "as is" sort is the most time-efficient, but boring, variation
    >
    > The "as if" sort is the most fantastic, but in some of the newer
    > implementations it produces no usable results apart from denial that
    > any actual action is necessary.
    >
    > The "as something else" sort is more complex and its exact effect
    > depends on the something specified. For example: an "as telephone
    > numbers" sort will substitute the digits from a telephone keypad for
    > letters in the text and sort accordingly. See the manual for more
    > information.
    >
    > Hope that helps.
    >
    > --
    > rzed
    >
    >
     
    Phil..., Oct 22, 2003
    #4
  5. CBFalconer Guest

    "Phil..." wrote:
    >
    > Here is a sorting method that has the potential of being the fastest.
    > 1. check if sorted, if so you are done
    > 2. randomize the collection, go to 1


    You have reinvented bogosort. Please do not toppost.

    --
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    CBFalconer, Oct 22, 2003
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  6. Roedy Green Guest

    On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:56:38 GMT, CBFalconer <>
    wrote or quoted :

    >
    >You have reinvented bogosort. Please do not toppost.


    I would like to make a different request. Make sure you say something
    original within the first 15 lines of a post. I get quite annoyed
    with folk who DON'T top post, quote 3 pages that I have already read,
    and then add one silly wisecrack.

    STOP QUOTING SO FUCKING MUCH. READING SOMETHING ONCE IS ENOUGH!!



    --
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    Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
    See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
     
    Roedy Green, Oct 22, 2003
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  7. Roedy Green <> scribbled the following
    on comp.lang.c:
    > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:56:38 GMT, CBFalconer <>
    > wrote or quoted :
    >>You have reinvented bogosort. Please do not toppost.


    > I would like to make a different request. Make sure you say something
    > original within the first 15 lines of a post. I get quite annoyed
    > with folk who DON'T top post, quote 3 pages that I have already read,
    > and then add one silly wisecrack.


    > STOP QUOTING SO FUCKING MUCH. READING SOMETHING ONCE IS ENOUGH!!


    Are you referring to CBFalconer's quoting of Phil...? Here it is in its
    entirety:
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    > Here is a sorting method that has the potential of being the fastest.
    > 1. check if sorted, if so you are done
    > 2. randomize the collection, go to 1

    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    Three lines. *LINES*, mind you, not *PAGES*. You, Roedy, might well
    use one-line pages, but I wouldn't, because that would severely hamper
    the reading of Usenet.

    I, personally, get annoyed by people who top-post. Period.

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    Joona I Palaste, Oct 22, 2003
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  8. Roedy Green Guest

    On 22 Oct 2003 20:08:04 GMT, Joona I Palaste <>
    wrote or quoted :

    >Are you referring to CBFalconer's quoting of Phil...? Here it is in its
    >entirety:


    neither. I waited for an opportunity to vent on this without picking
    on a specific culprit. The practice of mindless quoting is
    widespread.

    I believe you should only quote the bare minimum. Just quote what you
    are commenting on. Just quote the bare minimum to set the context for
    your post. If someone wants to study the original post, they can hit
    up arrow. Rereading and rereading previously posted material should
    be the exception, not the rule.

    But the posts that are most annoying are the ones that make you scroll
    down and down and down to discover they are nothing but fluff.
    Wisecracks SHOULD be top posted.



    --
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    Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
    See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
     
    Roedy Green, Oct 22, 2003
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  9. Roedy Green <> scribbled the following
    on comp.lang.c:
    > On 22 Oct 2003 20:08:04 GMT, Joona I Palaste <>
    > wrote or quoted :
    >>Are you referring to CBFalconer's quoting of Phil...? Here it is in its
    >>entirety:


    > neither. I waited for an opportunity to vent on this without picking
    > on a specific culprit. The practice of mindless quoting is
    > widespread.


    You should have said this when replying to CBFalconer. On Usenet, the
    addressee of a reply to a post is the author of that post, if not stated
    otherwise.

    > I believe you should only quote the bare minimum. Just quote what you
    > are commenting on. Just quote the bare minimum to set the context for
    > your post. If someone wants to study the original post, they can hit
    > up arrow. Rereading and rereading previously posted material should
    > be the exception, not the rule.


    > But the posts that are most annoying are the ones that make you scroll
    > down and down and down to discover they are nothing but fluff.
    > Wisecracks SHOULD be top posted.


    I still disagree. NOTHING should be top posted. If you find yourself
    making the "but I don't want to scroll down" argument, then you're
    quoting too much. Quoting less solves TWO problems: (1) you don't
    have to top-post, and (2) you don't have to read pages and pages and
    pages of quoted material.
    I agree with you that there is too much mindless quoting, but you are
    going the wrong way to get around it.

    --
    /-- Joona Palaste () ------------- Finland --------\
    \-- http://www.helsinki.fi/~palaste --------------------- rules! --------/
    "Normal is what everyone else is, and you're not."
    - Dr. Tolian Soran
     
    Joona I Palaste, Oct 22, 2003
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  10. Roedy Green Guest

    On 22 Oct 2003 21:00:48 GMT, Joona I Palaste <>
    wrote or quoted :

    >You should have said this when replying to CBFalconer. On Usenet, the
    >addressee of a reply to a post is the author of that post, if not stated
    >otherwise.


    The blast is against those who complain about top posting. Top posting
    is GOOD on one respect. It is at least is a step in the right
    direction away from forcing people to read stuff they have seen many
    times before -- especially those folk who quote with nests 10 posts
    deep.

    This will never be settled politically. People enjoy annoying each
    other too much. I suggest a technological solution
    http://mindprod.com/projmailreadernewsreader.html



    --
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    Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
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    Roedy Green, Oct 22, 2003
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  11. On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:22:59 GMT, in comp.lang.c , Roedy Green
    <> wrote:

    >The blast is against those who complain about top posting. Top posting
    >is GOOD on one respect.


    Its evil. Period.

    >It is at least is a step in the right
    >direction away from forcing people to read stuff they have seen many
    >times before


    A better step is to blast those who don't trim posts. I /want/ to
    read the context of posts. You may prefer to wander into conversations
    half way through of course.


    --
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    CLC FAQ <http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html>
    CLC readme: <http://www.angelfire.com/ms3/bchambless0/welcome_to_clc.html>


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    Mark McIntyre, Oct 22, 2003
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  12. Roedy Green Guest

    On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:52:03 +0100, Mark McIntyre
    <> wrote or quoted :

    >>The blast is against those who complain about top posting. Top posting
    >>is GOOD on one respect.

    >
    >Its evil. Period.


    I disagree. I would say it is very rare that I actually read rather
    than skip over quoted material. It is just a nuisance. If people get
    to the point right away they save me time. If I need to refresh
    myself on the quoted material I can look it up myself. If they put
    all the quoted junk at the end, at least is easier to ignore.

    I think it is a superior system, but I don't use it myself because it
    gets people too angry. Perhaps a compromise would be to simply label
    a top post with something like "quotes follow" or "top posted" to let
    you know where to find context if you need it.

    Who gets annoyed by what may have to do with the features of
    newsreader . Agent does not have a single key "jump to the meat" and
    my hand is on the mouse during most reading. There is no quick page
    down by mouse. I have to spin the scroll wheel to get to the point. I
    also have to drag the mouse from the button panel where it is usually
    parked to a different region of the screen to scroll.

    Agent also puts those cutsie "X twirled his moustache spun around
    three times and uttered ..." things in the same font as meat. I get
    quite annoyed reading some of those convoluted headers to discover
    they are just someone being cute.




    --
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    Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
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    Roedy Green, Oct 23, 2003
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  13. Michael Voss Guest

    "Serveral People" wrote in this thread, being cross-posted to at least five
    newsgroups

    > Lots of things about topposting


    Sorry, not a real quote, but then, I think at least some people in c.l.s are
    not used to having discussions like that (slightly off-topic) in at least
    this (c.l.s) newsgroup. So I might start another discussion about
    cross-posting and off-topic-threads, knowing this being completely useless,
    but this would be off-topic as well.

    I know this (flaming (or something close) people for not posting or quoting
    correctly) seems to happen quite often in c.l.j.*, but I've never before
    seen it on c.l.s, so please keep this discussion out of (at least) c.l.s.
     
    Michael Voss, Oct 23, 2003
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  14. Randy Howard Guest

    In article <>,
    says...
    > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:52:03 +0100, Mark McIntyre
    > <> wrote or quoted :
    >
    > >> Top posting is GOOD on one respect.

    > >
    > >Its evil. Period.

    >
    > I disagree.


    The almighty Usenet Oracle has been awakened and declared that you
    are wrong. Too bad.

    > I have to spin the scroll wheel to get to the point.


    Sounds like you probably don't walk very much either. Man, spinning
    the mouse wheel, that is tiring. *cough*

    > I also have to drag the mouse from the button panel where it is usually
    > parked to a different region of the screen to scroll.


    Do you prefer Baby Swiss or Gouda with your Merlot?

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    Randy Howard, Oct 23, 2003
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  15. In comp.lang.java.programmer Roedy Green <> wrote:
    > I would like to make a different request. Make sure you say something
    > original within the first 15 lines of a post. I get quite annoyed
    > with folk who DON'T top post, quote 3 pages that I have already read,
    > and then add one silly wisecrack.
    >
    > STOP QUOTING SO FUCKING MUCH. READING SOMETHING ONCE IS ENOUGH!!


    You might benefit from the following observation:
    if you have to scroll to see original text, you can safely
    ignore the post, as it won't be interesting.

    Stephan
     
    Stephan Eggermont, Oct 23, 2003
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  16. On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:40:45 GMT, in comp.lang.c , Roedy Green
    <> wrote:

    >On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:52:03 +0100, Mark McIntyre
    ><> wrote or quoted :
    >
    >>>The blast is against those who complain about top posting. Top posting
    >>>is GOOD on one respect.

    >>
    >>Its evil. Period.

    >
    >I disagree. I would say it is very rare that I actually read rather
    >than skip over quoted material. It is just a nuisance.


    And yet you retained my posting, since it added useful context. Hmm?

    >If people get
    >to the point right away they save me time.


    Then like I say, they can snip the entire previous post. I tend to
    ignore contextless posts in technical groups tho, as they're typically
    unreadable.

    >If I need to refresh
    >myself on the quoted material I can look it up myself.


    Where? Google? Get real. Presumably you don't read very many posts a
    day, or else have an eidetic memory.

    >I think it is a superior system, but I don't use it myself because it
    >gets people too angry. Perhaps a compromise would be to simply label
    >a top post with something like "quotes follow" or "top posted" to let
    >you know where to find context if you need it.


    in the bitbucket I'm afraid,along with the rest of any post with that
    attitude. Anyone who can't post properly probably can't string
    coherent thought together anyway.

    >Who gets annoyed by what may have to do with the features of
    >newsreader . Agent does not have a single key "jump to the meat"


    spacebar

    By the way, which of the frenzied spam of groups are you reading this
    in ?
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    Mark McIntyre, Oct 23, 2003
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  17. Roedy Green Guest

    On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:44:57 +0100, Mark McIntyre
    <> wrote or quoted :

    >>If I need to refresh
    >>myself on the quoted material I can look it up myself.

    >
    >Where? Google? Get real. Presumably you don't read very many posts a
    >day, or else have an eidetic memory.


    In Agent. I can retrace threads at a click. They are mapped out like a
    tree.

    --
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    Roedy Green, Oct 23, 2003
    #17
  18. Roedy Green Guest

    On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:40:03 +0000 (UTC), Stephan Eggermont
    <> wrote or quoted :

    >You might benefit from the following observation:
    >if you have to scroll to see original text, you can safely
    >ignore the post, as it won't be interesting.


    Infuriatingly, it is not always true. Some intelligent people
    APOLOGIZE for snipping even a comma from the entire previous
    discussion. Somebody must have taught them you are supposed to quote
    EVERYTHING.


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    Roedy Green, Oct 23, 2003
    #18
  19. Roedy Green <> scribbled the following
    on comp.lang.c:
    > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:40:03 +0000 (UTC), Stephan Eggermont
    > <> wrote or quoted :
    >>You might benefit from the following observation:
    >>if you have to scroll to see original text, you can safely
    >>ignore the post, as it won't be interesting.


    > Infuriatingly, it is not always true. Some intelligent people
    > APOLOGIZE for snipping even a comma from the entire previous
    > discussion. Somebody must have taught them you are supposed to quote
    > EVERYTHING.


    At the very least, people should snip out signatures, barring the case
    when they have an actual comment on the signature itself. Such as mine.
    The quote came from Mika P. Nieminen, my former boss, who was commenting
    a roast sausage.

    --
    /-- Joona Palaste () ------------- Finland --------\
    \-- http://www.helsinki.fi/~palaste --------------------- rules! --------/
    "Stronger, no. More seductive, cunning, crunchier the Dark Side is."
    - Mika P. Nieminen
     
    Joona I Palaste, Oct 23, 2003
    #19
  20. Roedy Green wrote:
    >
    > The blast is against those who complain about top posting. Top posting
    > is GOOD on one respect. It is at least is a step in the right
    > direction away from forcing people to read stuff they have seen many
    > times before -- especially those folk who quote with nests 10 posts
    > deep.


    Top posting is never good. Just delete all the text in
    the previous post if you do not have the need to include
    some more specific context.

    It is not that hard.

    --
    Thomas.
     
    Thomas Stegen, Oct 23, 2003
    #20
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