Author of a Python Success Story Needs a Job!

Discussion in 'Python' started by Andrew Jonathan Fine, Dec 28, 2009.

  1. To whom it may concern,

    I am the author of "Honeywell Avoids Documentation Costs with Python
    and other Open Standards!"

    I was laid off by Honeywell several months after I had made my
    presentation in the 2005 Python Conference.

    Since then I have been unable to find work either as a software
    engineer or in any other capacity, even at service jobs. I've sent
    resumes and have been consistently ignored.

    What I have been doing in the meantime is to be a full time homemaker
    and parent. As a hobby to keep me sane, I am attempting to retrain
    part time at home as a jeweler and silversmith, and I sometimes used
    Python for generating and manipulating code for CNC machines.

    For my own peace of mind, however, I very much want to be doing
    software work again because I feel so greatly ashamed to have
    dedicated my life to learning and working in the field only to now
    find myself on the scrap heap.

    I find it highly ironic that my solution is still being advertised on
    the Python web site but that I, the author of that solution, am now a
    long term unemployment statistic.

    Please, if there is anyone out there who needs a highly creative and
    highly skilled software designer for new and completely original work,
    then for the love of God I implore you to contact me.

    A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

    Sincerely,

    Andrew Jonathan Fine
    BEE, MSCS, 15 years experience, 5 in Python, the rest in C/C++,
    about 1/3 embedded design and device drivers, and 2/3 in applications.
    Andrew Jonathan Fine, Dec 28, 2009
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  2. Andrew Jonathan Fine

    joy99 Guest

    On Dec 28, 12:32 pm, Andrew Jonathan Fine <>
    wrote:
    > To whom it may concern,
    >
    > I am the author of "Honeywell Avoids Documentation Costs with Python
    > and other Open Standards!"
    >
    > I was laid off by Honeywell several months after I had made my
    > presentation in the 2005 Python Conference.
    >
    > Since then I have been unable to find work either as a software
    > engineer or in any other capacity, even at service jobs.  I've sent
    > resumes and have been consistently ignored.
    >
    > What I have been doing in the meantime is to be a full time homemaker
    > and parent.   As a hobby to keep me sane, I am attempting to retrain
    > part time at home as a jeweler and silversmith, and I sometimes used
    > Python for generating and manipulating code for CNC machines.
    >
    > For my own peace of mind, however, I very much want to be doing
    > software work again because I feel so greatly ashamed to have
    > dedicated my life to learning and working in the field only to now
    > find myself on the scrap heap.
    >
    > I find it highly ironic that my solution is still being advertised on
    > the Python web site but that I, the author of that solution, am now a
    > long term unemployment statistic.
    >
    > Please, if there is anyone out there who needs a highly creative and
    > highly skilled software designer for new and completely original work,
    > then for the love of God I implore you to contact me.
    >
    > A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
    >
    > Sincerely,
    >
    > Andrew Jonathan Fine
    > BEE, MSCS, 15 years experience, 5 in Python, the rest in C/C++,
    > about 1/3 embedded design and device drivers, and 2/3 in applications.


    Dear Sir,
    It seems it is pretty tough situation for you. I heard US/EU are badly
    wriggling through slump and all. But I never heard of this kind.

    But in India, things are bit different. All major concerns are
    recruiting. But well, I do not know whether it will match your living
    standards. In India major technology is C/C++ or Java. You can find
    out even Honeywell has a big set up in India.

    I know one person of e-mail id "", he is most
    probably has lot of Python profiles. I got this contact from this room
    only. You can have a try. Python job board also has lot of offerings.
    What about them? Can you think earning from some open projects for
    time being. Rentacoder may be tried. Though I feel their process is
    bit complicated and time-taking.

    Hope coming new year will be good for you.
    Wishing you a happy and prosperous new year.

    Regards,
    Subhabrata.
    Delhi,
    India.
    joy99, Dec 28, 2009
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  3. Andrew Jonathan Fine

    Propad Guest

    Hello Mr. Fine,
    I just read your mail on the Python Google Group. I've been in
    situations of searching a job many times now - in the meantime, it's
    not employments but projects I'm looking for, as I'm working as a
    contractor.
    While I'm currently doing reasonably well, I've never been quite
    comfortable with my position, as I've experienced it several times,
    one day you're The King, the other day the company's out of money, and
    you're just too expensive to keep. So I went on searching for ways to
    make my job more secure, and I just managed to buy a book named "Rapid
    Learning" by Steve Litt. It took me several years to do so, because
    the gentelman was not sending his book outside of the USA (well he
    does to Canada, but I'm in Germany).
    It just could be, that the book contains solutions to your situation,
    as it's both about learning new technology rapidly, but also and
    foremostly about selling yourself succsessfully as a competent
    Programer/SW-Engineer/you-name-it. And not in a sleazy way, but still
    effectively, in my opinion. It also deals with all kinds of obstacles
    one can encounter while searching a job, based on age/race/area of
    residence/an out-of-the-norm CV.
    So just in case you want to consider the part shown in the book,
    here's the link:
    http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/rl.htm
    Much of Mr. Litt-s job-searching-philosophy is also presented in
    several articles on his website, but in your situation, I'd not stop
    there, but go for the book.
    I wish you success in your search and a Happy New Year.
    All the best,
    Nenad
    Propad, Dec 28, 2009
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  4. Andrew Jonathan Fine

    Steve Holden Guest

    Andrew Jonathan Fine wrote:
    > To whom it may concern,
    >
    > I am the author of "Honeywell Avoids Documentation Costs with Python
    > and other Open Standards!"
    >
    > I was laid off by Honeywell several months after I had made my
    > presentation in the 2005 Python Conference.
    >
    > Since then I have been unable to find work either as a software
    > engineer or in any other capacity, even at service jobs. I've sent
    > resumes and have been consistently ignored.
    >
    > What I have been doing in the meantime is to be a full time homemaker
    > and parent. As a hobby to keep me sane, I am attempting to retrain
    > part time at home as a jeweler and silversmith, and I sometimes used
    > Python for generating and manipulating code for CNC machines.
    >
    > For my own peace of mind, however, I very much want to be doing
    > software work again because I feel so greatly ashamed to have
    > dedicated my life to learning and working in the field only to now
    > find myself on the scrap heap.
    >
    > I find it highly ironic that my solution is still being advertised on
    > the Python web site but that I, the author of that solution, am now a
    > long term unemployment statistic.
    >
    > Please, if there is anyone out there who needs a highly creative and
    > highly skilled software designer for new and completely original work,
    > then for the love of God I implore you to contact me.
    >
    > A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
    >
    > Sincerely,
    >
    > Andrew Jonathan Fine
    > BEE, MSCS, 15 years experience, 5 in Python, the rest in C/C++,
    > about 1/3 embedded design and device drivers, and 2/3 in applications.


    Andrew:

    I am sorry to hear about your predicament. Unfortunately Holden Web
    isn't hiring, so I can't offer you a job, but I wanted to at least thank
    you for your support of Python and commiserate with you. These are
    difficult times to be looking for work in the USA.

    Do you follow the Python Job Board? It's a resource that not everyone
    knows about, where employers are allowed to post free for the benefit of
    Python community members who may be looking for a job.

    http://www.python.org/community/jobs/

    Hope this helps.

    regards
    Steve
    --
    Steve Holden +1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119
    PyCon is coming! Atlanta, Feb 2010 http://us.pycon.org/
    Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/
    UPCOMING EVENTS: http://holdenweb.eventbrite.com/
    Steve Holden, Dec 28, 2009
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  5. Andrew Jonathan Fine

    webtourist Guest

    Andrew I'm very sorry to hear your situation.
    This is, I don't know how else to put it, so hard to believe - that
    someone like you has been jobless since 2005,
    well over 2 years before the "big bust".
    Good luck to you.
    webtourist, Dec 28, 2009
    #5
  6. Andrew Jonathan Fine

    Guest

    On Dec 28, 1:32 am, Andrew Jonathan Fine <>
    wrote:
    > To whom it may concern,
    >
    > I am the author of "Honeywell Avoids Documentation Costs with Python
    > and other Open Standards!"
    >
    > I was laid off by Honeywell several months after I had made my
    > presentation in the 2005 Python Conference.
    >
    > Since then I have been unable to find work either as a software
    > engineer or in any other capacity, even at service jobs.  I've sent
    > resumes and have been consistently ignored.
    >
    > What I have been doing in the meantime is to be a full time homemaker
    > and parent.   As a hobby to keep me sane, I am attempting to retrain
    > part time at home as a jeweler and silversmith, and I sometimes used
    > Python for generating and manipulating code for CNC machines.
    >
    > For my own peace of mind, however, I very much want to be doing
    > software work again because I feel so greatly ashamed to have
    > dedicated my life to learning and working in the field only to now
    > find myself on the scrap heap.
    >
    > I find it highly ironic that my solution is still being advertised on
    > the Python web site but that I, the author of that solution, am now a
    > long term unemployment statistic.
    >
    > Please, if there is anyone out there who needs a highly creative and
    > highly skilled software designer for new and completely original work,
    > then for the love of God I implore you to contact me.
    >
    > A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
    >
    > Sincerely,
    >
    > Andrew Jonathan Fine
    > BEE, MSCS, 15 years experience, 5 in Python, the rest in C/C++,
    > about 1/3 embedded design and device drivers, and 2/3 in applications.


    I do the dex tracker project but I have never made anything more than
    some advertising money from it. I would welcome some help it is
    possible that it could be a little bit more commercial available on cd
    produced on demand but I don't see it being a very large thing. It
    does count as experience though on a resume

    http://dextracker.blogspot.com/
    , Dec 28, 2009
    #6
  7. On Dec 28, 6:21 am, Steve Holden <> wrote:
    > Andrew Jonathan Fine wrote:
    > > To whom it may concern,

    >
    > > I am the author of "Honeywell Avoids Documentation Costs with Python
    > > and other Open Standards!"

    >
    > > I was laid off by Honeywell several months after I had made my
    > > presentation in the 2005 Python Conference.

    >
    > > Since then I have been unable to find work either as a software
    > > engineer or in any other capacity, even at service jobs.  I've sent
    > > resumes and have been consistently ignored.

    >
    > > What I have been doing in the meantime is to be a full time homemaker
    > > and parent.   As a hobby to keep me sane, I am attempting to retrain
    > > part time at home as a jeweler and silversmith, and I sometimes used
    > > Python for generating and manipulating code for CNC machines.

    >
    > > For my own peace of mind, however, I very much want to be doing
    > > software work again because I feel so greatly ashamed to have
    > > dedicated my life to learning and working in the field only to now
    > > find myself on the scrap heap.

    >
    > > I find it highly ironic that my solution is still being advertised on
    > > the Python web site but that I, the author of that solution, am now a
    > > long term unemployment statistic.

    >
    > > Please, if there is anyone out there who needs a highly creative and
    > > highly skilled software designer for new and completely original work,
    > > then for the love of God I implore you to contact me.

    >
    > > A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

    >
    > > Sincerely,

    >
    > > Andrew Jonathan Fine
    > > BEE, MSCS, 15 years experience, 5 in Python, the rest in C/C++,
    > > about 1/3 embedded design and device drivers, and 2/3 in applications.

    >
    > Andrew:
    >
    > I am sorry to hear about your predicament. Unfortunately Holden Web
    > isn't hiring, so I can't offer you a job, but I wanted to at least thank
    > you for your support of Python and commiserate with you. These are
    > difficult times to be looking for work in the USA.
    >
    > Do you follow the Python Job Board? It's a resource that not everyone
    > knows about, where employers are allowed to post free for the benefit of
    > Python community members who may be looking for a job.
    >
    >  http://www.python.org/community/jobs/
    >
    > Hope this helps.
    >
    > regards
    >  Steve
    > --
    > Steve Holden           +1 571 484 6266   +1 800 494 3119
    > PyCon is coming! Atlanta, Feb 2010  http://us.pycon.org/
    > Holden Web LLC                http://www.holdenweb.com/
    > UPCOMING EVENTS:        http://holdenweb.eventbrite.com/- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    Yes, I have been following that board for years.
    Andrew Jonathan Fine, Dec 28, 2009
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  8. On Dec 28, 9:20 am, webtourist <> wrote:
    > Andrew I'm very sorry to hear your situation.
    > This is, I don't know how else to put it, so hard to believe - that
    > someone like you has been jobless since 2005,
    > well over 2 years before the "big bust".
    > Good luck to you.


    Well, you can believe it.
    Andrew Jonathan Fine, Dec 28, 2009
    #8
  9. Andrew Jonathan Fine

    John Bokma Guest

    Andrew Jonathan Fine <> writes:

    > On Dec 28, 9:20 am, webtourist <> wrote:
    >> Andrew I'm very sorry to hear your situation.
    >> This is, I don't know how else to put it, so hard to believe - that
    >> someone like you has been jobless since 2005,
    >> well over 2 years before the "big bust".
    >> Good luck to you.

    >
    > Well, you can believe it.


    Wat works for me (as a Perl programmer): blogging. My blog isn't even
    mainly about Perl but does have some Perl related entries. And pages
    that mention my skills and how to contact me for work. I do get work
    that way.

    Besides, I do also very small things in exchange for (technical) books.

    It might take you at least a year or so to get sufficient traffic, but
    if you blog more (than I on Perl) on Python you and keep updating your
    skills, and show to your visitors what you can do.

    --
    John Bokma

    Read my blog: http://johnbokma.com/
    Hire me (Perl/Python): http://castleamber.com/
    John Bokma, Dec 28, 2009
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  10. > Please, if there is anyone out there who needs a highly creative and
    > highly skilled software designer for new and completely original work,
    > then for the love of God I implore you to contact me.


    You don't write if you are willing to relocate, and if yes, if outside
    the USA is an option.

    We hire skilled python employees in Berlin. Not speaking german is no
    problem, neither at work nor in the city itself.

    Take a look:

    http://www.ableton.com/jobs


    All the best,


    Diez
    Diez B. Roggisch, Dec 29, 2009
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  11. Andrew Jonathan Fine

    Aahz Guest

    In article <>,
    Andrew Jonathan Fine <> wrote:
    >
    >I was laid off by Honeywell several months after I had made my
    >presentation in the 2005 Python Conference.
    >
    >Since then I have been unable to find work either as a software
    >engineer or in any other capacity, even at service jobs. I've sent
    >resumes and have been consistently ignored.


    You don't say where you're located, which probably has some effect. I
    was laid off a year ago and after taking a couple of months off, I found
    a new job at the end of July. I don't have a degree, but I do have a
    fairly high profile in the Python community, and I'm located in the SF
    Bay Area. I also got my previous job in 2004 partly through having a
    high profile.

    I'm not pretending it's easy, and I do think luck played a significant
    role, but I also think that you can take action to improve your odds.

    Incidentally, my company has had a fair amount of difficulty finding
    Python programmers -- anyone in the SF area looking for a job near
    Mountain View?
    --
    Aahz () <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/

    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
    until you hire an amateur." --Red Adair
    Aahz, Jan 13, 2010
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  12. Andrew Jonathan Fine

    Phlip Guest

    > Andrew Jonathan Fine wrote:

    >> I was laid off by Honeywell several months after I had made my
    >> presentation in the 2005 Python Conference.
    >>
    >> Since then I have been unable to find work either as a software
    >> engineer or in any other capacity, even at service jobs. I've sent
    >> resumes and have been consistently ignored.


    6 years ago the silver bullet there was Java. Today, it is Rails. I happen to
    suspect Django has a superior architecture, but it's still RoR that's flying off
    the shelves these days. (And, under MERB's tutelage, they will soon surpass
    Django for modularity!)

    --
    Phlip
    http://zeekland.zeroplayer.com/Uncle_Wiggilys_Travels/1
    Phlip, Jan 14, 2010
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  13. Andrew Jonathan Fine

    Paul Rubin Guest

    (Aahz) writes:
    > Incidentally, my company has had a fair amount of difficulty finding
    > Python programmers -- anyone in the SF area looking for a job near
    > Mountain View?


    I'm surprised there aren't a ton of Python programmers there, given
    that's where Brand G is and so forth. Anyway, when posting that type of
    message, it would probably be helpful to describe what your company
    does, what you're looking for, and (if possible) supply a url.
    Paul Rubin, Jan 14, 2010
    #13
  14. Andrew Jonathan Fine

    Robert Kern Guest

    On 2010-01-14 13:14 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
    > (Aahz) writes:
    >> Incidentally, my company has had a fair amount of difficulty finding
    >> Python programmers -- anyone in the SF area looking for a job near
    >> Mountain View?

    >
    > I'm surprised there aren't a ton of Python programmers there, given
    > that's where Brand G is and so forth.


    They probably absorb more (good) Python programmers than they spit back out.

    --
    Robert Kern

    "I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma
    that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had
    an underlying truth."
    -- Umberto Eco
    Robert Kern, Jan 14, 2010
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  15. Paul Rubin wrote:
    > (Aahz) writes:
    >
    >> Incidentally, my company has had a fair amount of difficulty finding
    >> Python programmers -- anyone in the SF area looking for a job near
    >> Mountain View?
    >>

    >
    > I'm surprised there aren't a ton of Python programmers there, given
    > that's where Brand G is and so forth. Anyway, when posting that type of
    > message, it would probably be helpful to describe what your company
    > does, what you're looking for, and (if possible) supply a url.
    >

    We're all python fanatics around here, no need to know more than the job
    is about to write Python code !
    The real question is "is there enough space for my 3x4 meters poster of
    Guido ?" :eek:)

    JM
    Jean-Michel Pichavant, Jan 14, 2010
    #15
  16. Andrew Jonathan Fine

    Aahz Guest

    In article <>,
    Robert Kern <> wrote:
    >On 2010-01-14 13:14 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
    >> (Aahz) writes:
    >>>
    >>> Incidentally, my company has had a fair amount of difficulty finding
    >>> Python programmers -- anyone in the SF area looking for a job near
    >>> Mountain View?

    >>
    >> I'm surprised there aren't a ton of Python programmers there, given
    >> that's where Brand G is and so forth.

    >
    >They probably absorb more (good) Python programmers than they spit back out.


    Bingo -- I call it "The Giant Google Sucking Sound"
    --
    Aahz () <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/

    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
    until you hire an amateur." --Red Adair
    Aahz, Jan 14, 2010
    #16
  17. Andrew Jonathan Fine

    Aahz Guest

    In article <>,
    Paul Rubin <> wrote:
    > (Aahz) writes:
    >>
    >> Incidentally, my company has had a fair amount of difficulty finding
    >> Python programmers -- anyone in the SF area looking for a job near
    >> Mountain View?

    >
    >I'm surprised there aren't a ton of Python programmers there, given
    >that's where Brand G is and so forth. Anyway, when posting that type of
    >message, it would probably be helpful to describe what your company
    >does, what you're looking for, and (if possible) supply a url.


    http://www.egnyte.com/

    Basically, at this point we're just looking for competent Python
    developers who have a reasonably broad experience, preferably with some
    web development background. There's a non-current ad on the Python Job
    Board that I need to update.
    --
    Aahz () <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/

    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
    until you hire an amateur." --Red Adair
    Aahz, Jan 14, 2010
    #17
  18. Why is it so many, so called high tech companies, insist on the 19th
    century practice of demanding an employee's physical presence in a
    specific geographic location.

    This is the 21st century with climate change, carbon footprints,
    broadband internet, telecommuting, tele-presence, telephones, fax
    machines, mobile phones, electronic funds transfer, express shipping
    companies and a host of other gadgets and applications, that make
    geographic location almost irrelevant.

    I know whereof I speak, I have been fortunate enough to work remotely
    (across the country) for the last ten years, for two different
    employers.

    (possibly OT rant over)
    Novocastrian_Nomad, Jan 14, 2010
    #18
  19. Andrew Jonathan Fine

    Aahz Guest

    In article <>,
    Novocastrian_Nomad <> wrote:
    >
    >Why is it so many, so called high tech companies, insist on the 19th
    >century practice of demanding an employee's physical presence in a
    >specific geographic location.


    Because it works better? My current job is mostly done at the office,
    and I think it leads to better morale in many ways. I'm not sure about
    productivity, though.
    --
    Aahz () <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/

    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
    until you hire an amateur." --Red Adair
    Aahz, Jan 14, 2010
    #19
  20. Andrew Jonathan Fine

    Paul Boddie Guest

    On 28 Des 2009, 08:32, Andrew Jonathan Fine
    <> wrote:
    >
    >   As a hobby to keep me sane, I am attempting to retrain
    > part time at home as a jeweler and silversmith, and I sometimes used
    > Python for generating and manipulating code for CNC machines.


    It occurs to me that in some domains, this combination of Python and
    the design and production of physical artifacts could be fairly
    attractive, even though it may or may not be what you want to focus on
    in pursuing a software career. For example, I follow the goings-on in
    the various open hardware communities, and there isn't really a
    shortage of boards, controllers, components or chipsets which can be
    put to use, but taking these things and producing a well-designed case
    in order to deliver a readily usable piece of equipment is something
    which seems beyond most of the interested parties: people who know one
    thing well can be completely oblivious of the ways of another thing.

    Sometimes, it seems to pay to be knowledgeable in two different kinds
    of endeavour whose practitioners rarely interact, and perhaps there
    might be opportunities for you in this regard. Nevertheless, I
    obviously wish you success in your employment search.

    Paul
    Paul Boddie, Jan 14, 2010
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