'Back Button (Arrow)' Puzzle ?

Discussion in 'HTML' started by Mel Smith, Jul 26, 2010.

  1. Mel Smith

    Mel Smith Guest

    Hi:

    Enviro: IE7, Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari browsing my own website
    (mesaeastpark.com) and its real estate listings.

    As a newbie, I've been fussing over the last day or so about an annoying
    characteristic of the 'Back Button' of the above browsers.

    On some *external* sites I visit (from one of my pages on my own site),
    my 'back button' fails to return me to the previous page. When I press this
    button, the current page reloads again, and again. This is highly annoying
    to me (and to my visitors).

    After puzzling over this problem all morning, it seems that the
    visitation to 'some' external sites leads to a *further* leap by that site
    to a further page (which contains the ultimate info desired). However,
    *now* the back button returns to that 'certain' external site and thence to
    the detail page again.

    Result: I can never get back the my own site again and have to 'X' the
    browser.

    This happens on all browsers *except* Chrome. What Chrome does under the
    above circumstances is return me to the *first* page of my own site !!

    Question: Is there any combination of keys that I can press which will take
    me back *two* pages in my browsing history ??

    (Hope I haven't confused you any more than I am )

    Thank you for any guidance offered.

    -Mel Smith

    ********************* Part of the relevant page
    *****************************
    <!-- This Image element allows Users on IE7 and other browsers to go back to
    Previous Page
    using the 'Back' Button -->

    <div id="homepic">
    <img src="http://idxpic6.superlativestudio.com/armls/93/4347693_1.jpg"
    alt="No Thumbnail Picture Available"
    align="top" width="450" height="300" border="2" />
    </div>

    <-- The Next Image element will NOT let the user move back to the Previous
    Page
    using the 'Back' Button. Why not ?? -->
    <-- This listing is an Exclusive one: X007231 (near bottom of left
    column)-->

    <div id="homepic">
    <img src="http://idxpic6.superlativestudio.com/armls/27/4306527_1.jpg"
    alt="No Thumbnail Picture Available"
    align="top" width="450" height="300" border="2" />
    </div>

    **************************************************************
     
    Mel Smith, Jul 26, 2010
    #1
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  2. Mel Smith wrote:

    > Enviro: IE7, Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari browsing my own website
    > (http://mesaeastpark.com) and its real estate listings.
    >
    > As a newbie, I've been fussing over the last day or so about an
    > annoying characteristic of the 'Back Button' of the above browsers.
    >
    > On some *external* sites I visit (from one of my pages on my own
    > site), my 'back button' fails to return me to the previous page. When
    > I press this button, the current page reloads again, and again. This
    > is highly annoying to me (and to my visitors).


    After a quick glance, I'd guess that your Back button problem is due to
    the fact that your entire site is enclosed in frames.

    Where is there a link to an "external site?"

    My default text size is apparently larger than yours. Those two buttons
    (Login for Directory and Click to Visit Us) are on top of, and obscuring
    the content, and the text in the Latest News & Events escapes its yellow
    box. Most of that is due to your overuse of "position: absolute" and
    exact pixel sizing. That never works.

    Test it yourself by upping the text size (but not zoom the whole page.

    --
    -bts
    -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul
     
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Jul 26, 2010
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  3. Mel Smith

    Rob W. Guest

    Op 26-7-2010 18:35, Beauregard T. Shagnasty schreef:
    > Mel Smith wrote:
    >
    >> Enviro: IE7, Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari browsing my own website
    >> (http://mesaeastpark.com) and its real estate listings.
    >>
    >> As a newbie, I've been fussing over the last day or so about an
    >> annoying characteristic of the 'Back Button' of the above browsers.
    >>
    >> On some *external* sites I visit (from one of my pages on my own
    >> site), my 'back button' fails to return me to the previous page. When
    >> I press this button, the current page reloads again, and again. This
    >> is highly annoying to me (and to my visitors).

    >
    > After a quick glance, I'd guess that your Back button problem is due to
    > the fact that your entire site is enclosed in frames.
    >
    > Where is there a link to an "external site?"
    >
    > My default text size is apparently larger than yours. Those two buttons
    > (Login for Directory and Click to Visit Us) are on top of, and obscuring
    > the content, and the text in the Latest News& Events escapes its yellow
    > box. Most of that is due to your overuse of "position: absolute" and
    > exact pixel sizing. That never works.
    >
    > Test it yourself by upping the text size (but not zoom the whole page.
    >



    I fail to see how OP's problem has anything to do with his own site
    usi8ng frames.

    Have you never experienced the same problem
    that you visit a site and while there you can't get back to where you
    came from?


    Let me quote the W3C-site:

    <quote>
    you should not use "refresh" techniques like :

    <META HTTP-EQUIV=REFRESH CONTENT="1; URL=http://www.example.org/bar">.

    Why? because it could break the "back" button. Imagine that the user
    presses the "back" button, the refresh would work again, and the user
    would bounce forward. The user will most likely get very annoyed, and
    close the window, which is probably not what you, as the author of this
    page, want.
    <unquote>

    See <http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/reback>

    Seems to me this is the kind of problem Mel Smith got into.


    --
    Rob
     
    Rob W., Jul 26, 2010
    #3
  4. Mel Smith

    123Jim Guest

    "Mel Smith" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi:
    >
    > Enviro: IE7, Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari browsing my own website
    > (mesaeastpark.com) and its real estate listings.
    >
    > As a newbie, I've been fussing over the last day or so about an
    > annoying characteristic of the 'Back Button' of the above browsers.
    >
    > On some *external* sites I visit (from one of my pages on my own site),
    > my 'back button' fails to return me to the previous page. When I press
    > this button, the current page reloads again, and again. This is highly
    > annoying to me (and to my visitors).
    >
    > After puzzling over this problem all morning, it seems that the
    > visitation to 'some' external sites leads to a *further* leap by that site
    > to a further page (which contains the ultimate info desired). However,
    > *now* the back button returns to that 'certain' external site and thence
    > to the detail page again.
    >
    > Result: I can never get back the my own site again and have to 'X' the
    > browser.
    >
    > This happens on all browsers *except* Chrome. What Chrome does under
    > the above circumstances is return me to the *first* page of my own site !!
    >
    > Question: Is there any combination of keys that I can press which will
    > take me back *two* pages in my browsing history ??
    >
    > (Hope I haven't confused you any more than I am )
    >
    > Thank you for any guidance offered.
    >
    > -Mel Smith
    >
    > ********************* Part of the relevant page
    > *****************************
    > <!-- This Image element allows Users on IE7 and other browsers to go back
    > to Previous Page
    > using the 'Back' Button -->
    >
    > <div id="homepic">
    > <img src="http://idxpic6.superlativestudio.com/armls/93/4347693_1.jpg"
    > alt="No Thumbnail Picture Available"
    > align="top" width="450" height="300" border="2" />
    > </div>
    >
    > <-- The Next Image element will NOT let the user move back to the Previous
    > Page
    > using the 'Back' Button. Why not ?? -->
    > <-- This listing is an Exclusive one: X007231 (near bottom of left
    > column)-->
    >
    > <div id="homepic">
    > <img src="http://idxpic6.superlativestudio.com/armls/27/4306527_1.jpg"
    > alt="No Thumbnail Picture Available"
    > align="top" width="450" height="300" border="2" />
    > </div>
    >
    > **************************************************************


    seems to work fine in FF here ,, can't find the problem
     
    123Jim, Jul 26, 2010
    #4
  5. Mel Smith

    Mel Smith Guest

    Beauregard said:

    > After a quick glance, I'd guess that your Back button problem is due to
    > the fact that your entire site is enclosed in frames.


    Most of the external sites work properly -- so Frame use should not be
    the problem.
    Also, I use zoneedit.com for translating my site from
    www.mesaeastpark.com to ww2.mesaeastpark.com:4296.

    My pages have *no frames* (I don't even know how to *make* a frame --
    yet :)) )

    >
    > Where is there a link to an "external site?"
    >


    Arggg. I copied faulty code from my pages (I copied the .jpg image
    rather than the link). Here is the proper code:

    <a
    href="http://www.flexmls.com/cgi-bin/mainmenu.cgi?cmd=url+other/run_public_link.html&public_link_tech_id=rjr0to90vfa&s=12&id=1&cid=1">X007231</a>


    > My default text size is apparently larger than yours. Those two buttons
    > (Login for Directory and Click to Visit Us) are on top of, and obscuring
    > the content, and the text in the Latest News & Events escapes its yellow
    > box. Most of that is due to your overuse of "position: absolute" and
    > exact pixel sizing. That never works.
    >
    > Test it yourself by upping the text size (but not zoom the whole page.
    >


    I use position:absolute *under* a container with position:relative. I
    think I have to do this for absolute width reasons -- but my head is
    exploding so I'll have to think about it.

    Anyway, I'll certainly test using a larger text size and try to learn
    more about getting rid of exact pixel sizing. But, I'm more than a bit
    overwhelmed now.

    Thanks for the comments !

    -Mel Smith



    > --
    > -bts
    > -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul
     
    Mel Smith, Jul 26, 2010
    #5
  6. Rob W. wrote:

    > Beauregard T. Shagnasty schreef:
    >> Mel Smith wrote:
    >>> On some *external* sites I visit (from one of my pages on my own
    >>> site), my 'back button' fails to return me to the previous page.
    >>> When I press this button, the current page reloads again, and
    >>> again. This is highly annoying to me (and to my visitors).

    >>
    >> After a quick glance, I'd guess that your Back button problem is due to
    >> the fact that your entire site is enclosed in frames.
    >>
    >> Where is there a link to an "external site?"


    Perhaps if Mel answers this question, we will be able to make a better
    guess...

    > I fail to see how OP's problem has anything to do with his own site
    > usi8ng frames.


    Until we see the "external site" we don't know.

    --
    -bts
    -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul
     
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Jul 26, 2010
    #6
  7. Mel Smith

    Mel Smith Guest

    Rob said:



    >
    > Let me quote the W3C-site:
    >
    > <quote>
    > you should not use "refresh" techniques like :
    >
    > <META HTTP-EQUIV=REFRESH CONTENT="1; URL=http://www.example.org/bar">.
    >
    > Why? because it could break the "back" button. Imagine that the user
    > presses the "back" button, the refresh would work again, and the user
    > would bounce forward. The user will most likely get very annoyed, and
    > close the window, which is probably not what you, as the author of this
    > page, want.
    > <unquote>
    >
    > See <http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/reback>
    >
    > Seems to me this is the kind of problem Mel Smith got into.
    >


    Rob:

    Thanks for explaining this to me. I answered bts' email and admitted
    that I used wrong 'external link' code and gave him the proper one.

    Here is the proper 'external link' that doesn't allow the Back button to
    work.

    <a
    href="http://www.flexmls.com/cgi-bin/mainmenu.cgi?cmd=url+other/run_public_link.html&public_link_tech_id=rjr0to90vfa&s=12&id=1&cid=1">X007231</a>


    But, bts raised some other issues (on front size text size) that further
    concern me. I'll have to get to work on them too. He told me how to view my
    sins.

    Thanks,

    -Mel Smith
     
    Mel Smith, Jul 26, 2010
    #7
  8. Mel Smith

    123Jim Guest

    "123Jim" <> wrote in message
    news:i2kkpj$j2m$-september.org...
    >
    > "Mel Smith" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Hi:
    >>
    >> Enviro: IE7, Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari browsing my own website
    >> (mesaeastpark.com) and its real estate listings.
    >>
    >> As a newbie, I've been fussing over the last day or so about an
    >> annoying characteristic of the 'Back Button' of the above browsers.
    >>
    >> On some *external* sites I visit (from one of my pages on my own
    >> site), my 'back button' fails to return me to the previous page. When I
    >> press this button, the current page reloads again, and again. This is
    >> highly annoying to me (and to my visitors).
    >>
    >> After puzzling over this problem all morning, it seems that the
    >> visitation to 'some' external sites leads to a *further* leap by that
    >> site to a further page (which contains the ultimate info desired).
    >> However, *now* the back button returns to that 'certain' external site
    >> and thence to the detail page again.
    >>
    >> Result: I can never get back the my own site again and have to 'X'
    >> the browser.
    >>
    >> This happens on all browsers *except* Chrome. What Chrome does under
    >> the above circumstances is return me to the *first* page of my own site
    >> !!
    >>
    >> Question: Is there any combination of keys that I can press which will
    >> take me back *two* pages in my browsing history ??
    >>
    >> (Hope I haven't confused you any more than I am )
    >>
    >> Thank you for any guidance offered.
    >>
    >> -Mel Smith
    >>
    >> ********************* Part of the relevant page
    >> *****************************
    >> <!-- This Image element allows Users on IE7 and other browsers to go back
    >> to Previous Page
    >> using the 'Back' Button -->
    >>
    >> <div id="homepic">
    >> <img src="http://idxpic6.superlativestudio.com/armls/93/4347693_1.jpg"
    >> alt="No Thumbnail Picture Available"
    >> align="top" width="450" height="300" border="2" />
    >> </div>
    >>
    >> <-- The Next Image element will NOT let the user move back to the
    >> Previous Page
    >> using the 'Back' Button. Why not ?? -->
    >> <-- This listing is an Exclusive one: X007231 (near bottom of left
    >> column)-->
    >>
    >> <div id="homepic">
    >> <img src="http://idxpic6.superlativestudio.com/armls/27/4306527_1.jpg"
    >> alt="No Thumbnail Picture Available"
    >> align="top" width="450" height="300" border="2" />
    >> </div>
    >>
    >> **************************************************************

    >
    > seems to work fine in FF here ,, can't find the problem



    aha .. but does not work in IE
    I see that the last click .. this one:
    "Click to see Details/Pictures on Exclusive ID No. : X007231"
    ..... breaks out of your frame in IE .. and you can never return ..

    It ends up on this external page:
    http://www.flexmls.com/cgi-bin/main...blic_link_tech_id=rjr0to90vfa&s=12&id=1&cid=1

    Not sure what the solution is .. but since the whole show is controlled
    server side by cgi-bin/mep/mepinit.exe .. you might able to reprogram it to
    force the external pages to stay in your frame.
     
    123Jim, Jul 26, 2010
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  9. Mel Smith

    Mel Smith Guest

    bts wrote:

    > My default text size is apparently larger than yours. Those two buttons
    > (Login for Directory and Click to Visit Us) are on top of, and obscuring
    > the content, and the text in the Latest News & Events escapes its yellow
    > box. Most of that is due to your overuse of "position: absolute" and
    > exact pixel sizing. That never works.
    >
    > Test it yourself by upping the text size (but not zoom the whole page.



    Beau:

    I tested with a 'larger' and 'largest' text size on IE7 and the 'Login
    and Click to Visit Us' still were well within their box. However, The Latest
    News and Events were definitely *out of bounds*.

    I'll now try the same test with the other browsers.

    Thanks for the pointer !

    -Mel Smith
     
    Mel Smith, Jul 26, 2010
    #9
  10. Mel Smith

    Mel Smith Guest

    I said :

    > I tested with a 'larger' and 'largest' text size on IE7 and the 'Login
    > and Click to Visit Us' still were well within their box. However, The
    > Latest News and Events were definitely *out of bounds*.
    >
    > I'll now try the same test with the other browsers.


    Hi all:

    I tested with the other browsers:

    As Beau says, any size larger that normal starts the disruption of my
    pathetic pages.

    Back to the books.

    Thanks everyone !

    -Mel Smith
    (alone and old)
     
    Mel Smith, Jul 26, 2010
    #10
  11. Mel Smith wrote:

    > Beauregard said:
    >> After a quick glance, I'd guess that your Back button problem is due
    >> to the fact that your entire site is enclosed in frames.

    >
    > Most of the external sites work properly -- so Frame use should not
    > be the problem. Also, I use zoneedit.com for translating my site from
    > www.mesaeastpark.com to ww2.mesaeastpark.com:4296.
    >
    > My pages have *no frames* (I don't even know how to *make* a frame --
    > yet :)) )


    Your entire site is inside a frameset -- it is generally called a
    "stealth frame" so that you can use your domain name instead of that ww2
    URL.

    >> Where is there a link to an "external site?"

    >
    > Arggg. I copied faulty code from my pages (I copied the .jpg image
    > rather than the link). Here is the proper code:


    Where - on your site - is there a link to this external site?

    > <a
    > href="http://www.flexmls.com/cgi-bin/mainmenu.cgi?cmd=url+other/run_public_link.html&public_link_tech_id=rjr0to90vfa&s=12&id=1&cid=1">X007231</a>


    That page does not have the "Refresh" that Rob W. was so sure was the
    answer. The real answer is that flexmls site uses a *frame-busting*
    JavaScript script.

    var win = window;
    while( parent !== win && (parent.frames.length > 0) )
    win = win.parent;

    if( window !== win )
    win.location = window.location;

    I use a similar script on all my sites/pages as well. I don't
    particularly care to be buried within someone else's site, implying that
    the content belongs to them. So unless your own visitors have disabled
    JavaScript, they will leave your frame -- and your Back button.

    For external links on my sites, here's my technique:
    http://tekrider.net/pages/faq.php?q=osl
    which, though it doesn't mention frames, is the same principle.

    --
    -bts
    -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul
     
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Jul 26, 2010
    #11
  12. 123Jim wrote:

    > .. you might able to reprogram it to force the external pages to stay
    > in your frame.


    ... only if he found a way to disable JavaScript in all his visitors'
    browsers... which isn't possible. :)

    --
    -bts
    -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul
     
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Jul 26, 2010
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  13. Mel Smith

    123Jim Guest

    "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <> wrote in message
    news:i2kq4s$bf6$-september.org...
    > 123Jim wrote:
    >
    >> .. you might able to reprogram it to force the external pages to stay
    >> in your frame.

    >
    > .. only if he found a way to disable JavaScript in all his visitors'
    > browsers... which isn't possible. :)
    >
    > --


    I always knew javascript was evil! .. I have it turned off with Noscript in
    FF .. that is why I found no problems before I used IE.

    On the other hand .. might it be possible to scrape the offending web page
    containing the frame busting javascript, and paste the relevant bit back
    into the frame .... in that way there will be no escape from the frame ... I
    dont think javascript can do that client side but some php or other server
    side script can I'm sure ...
     
    123Jim, Jul 26, 2010
    #13
  14. 123Jim wrote:

    > "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
    >> 123Jim wrote:
    >>> .. you might able to reprogram it to force the external pages to
    >>> stay in your frame.

    >>
    >> .. only if he found a way to disable JavaScript in all his visitors'
    >> browsers... which isn't possible. :)

    >
    > I always knew javascript was evil!


    Can be sometimes ... but normally, it is _frames_ that are evil!
    http://www.html-faq.com/htmlframes/?framesareevil

    The part that causes me to use the framebusting script is:
    "Linking and copyright"

    > .. I have it turned off with Noscript in FF .. that is why I found no
    > problems before I used IE.


    Yes, that would be the case. In Firefox, I use the PrefBar extension to
    place a checkbox for JavaScript (and other things) right there in front
    of me, and only enable it if i) I trust the site, and ii) there's no
    other way to get the content I desire.

    > On the other hand .. might it be possible to scrape the offending web
    > page containing the frame busting javascript, and paste the relevant
    > bit back into the frame .... in that way there will be no escape from
    > the frame ... I dont think javascript can do that client side but
    > some php or other server side script can I'm sure ...


    I suppose that could be possible, but I don't have any experience
    attempting to do so. I wouldn't do it, because it violates the copyright
    that I mentioned above.

    --
    -bts
    -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul
     
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Jul 26, 2010
    #14
  15. Mel Smith

    Doug Miller Guest

    In article <>, "Mel Smith" <> wrote:
    > Here is the proper 'external link' that doesn't allow the Back button to
    >work.
    >
    ><a
    >href="http://www.flexmls.com/cgi-bin/mainmenu.cgi?cmd=url+other/run_public_link
    >.html&public_link_tech_id=rjr0to90vfa&s=12&id=1&cid=1">X007231</a>


    Works just great for me; ergo, there's some problem on your site...
     
    Doug Miller, Jul 26, 2010
    #15
  16. Mel Smith

    123Jim Guest

    "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <> wrote in message
    news:i2ksf5$luj$-september.org...
    > 123Jim wrote:
    >
    >> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
    >>> 123Jim wrote:
    >>>> .. you might able to reprogram it to force the external pages to
    >>>> stay in your frame.
    >>>
    >>> .. only if he found a way to disable JavaScript in all his visitors'
    >>> browsers... which isn't possible. :)

    >>
    >> I always knew javascript was evil!

    >
    > Can be sometimes ... but normally, it is _frames_ that are evil!
    > http://www.html-faq.com/htmlframes/?framesareevil
    >
    > The part that causes me to use the framebusting script is:
    > "Linking and copyright"
    >
    >> .. I have it turned off with Noscript in FF .. that is why I found no
    >> problems before I used IE.

    >
    > Yes, that would be the case. In Firefox, I use the PrefBar extension to
    > place a checkbox for JavaScript (and other things) right there in front
    > of me, and only enable it if i) I trust the site, and ii) there's no
    > other way to get the content I desire.
    >
    >> On the other hand .. might it be possible to scrape the offending web
    >> page containing the frame busting javascript, and paste the relevant
    >> bit back into the frame .... in that way there will be no escape from
    >> the frame ... I dont think javascript can do that client side but
    >> some php or other server side script can I'm sure ...

    >
    > I suppose that could be possible, but I don't have any experience
    > attempting to do so. I wouldn't do it, because it violates the copyright
    > that I mentioned above.
    >
    > --


    ^^ Good points .. ^^

    I think something has changed on the OP's website, or maybe even the linked
    webpage as the back button now seems to work fine in IE ..
     
    123Jim, Jul 26, 2010
    #16
  17. Doug Miller wrote:

    > "Mel Smith" wrote:
    >> Here is the proper 'external link' that doesn't allow the Back button
    >> to work.
    >>
    >><a
    >>href="http://www.flexmls.com/cgi-bin/mainmenu.cgi?cmd=url+other/run_public_link
    >>.html&public_link_tech_id=rjr0to90vfa&s=12&id=1&cid=1">X007231</a>

    >
    > Works just great for me; ergo, there's some problem on your site...


    The flexmls link just above works fine, by itself. The problem occurs
    when it is clicked on Mel's page (within his frame) and the flexmls
    frame-busting script is run. You have to run it from within a frame to
    notice this.

    I can't find this link on Mel's site ...

    --
    -bts
    -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul
     
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Jul 26, 2010
    #17
  18. Mel Smith wrote:

    > Beau says:
    >> [Doug wrote:]
    >>> Works just great for me; ergo, there's some problem on your site...

    >>
    >> The flexmls link just above works fine, by itself. The problem
    >> occurs when it is clicked on Mel's page (within his frame) and the
    >> flexmls frame-busting script is run. You have to run it from within
    >> a frame to notice this.
    >>
    >> I can't find this link on Mel's site ...

    >
    > Beau and Others:
    >
    > Here's the way to drill down to the offending 'back button':
    >
    > - http://ww2.mesaeastpark.com:4296


    Using this *real* URL (ww2.mesaeastpark.com:4296) negates the problem.
    There's no longer a frame to bust out of. Go to http://mesaeastpark.com
    and do the rest.

    > - Click on 'Visit Us'
    > - Click on 'Real Estate Services'
    > - Click on 'View Homes for Sale'
    > - Scroll down the left-hand column (under Sandy's Listings) until you
    > come to an *Exclusive* Listing (and button) (e.g.,'Exclusive: X007241')
    > - Click on that button.
    > - Click on the 'X007241' button on the next page to see the home
    > detail and pictures.
    > - Then try to 'back up' with the 'Back Button'
    >
    > Jeez, I'm sick of this 'drilling down' !!


    If you didn't use frames, you could have given a link directly to the
    X007241 page. No drilling required. :)

    --
    -bts
    -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul
     
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Jul 26, 2010
    #18
  19. Mel Smith

    Mel Smith Guest

    Beau said:

    >
    > Using this *real* URL (ww2.mesaeastpark.com:4296) negates the problem.
    > There's no longer a frame to bust out of. Go to http://mesaeastpark.com
    > and do the rest.
    >
    >> - Click on 'Visit Us'
    >> - Click on 'Real Estate Services'
    >> - Click on 'View Homes for Sale'
    >> - Scroll down the left-hand column (under Sandy's Listings) until
    >> you
    >> come to an *Exclusive* Listing (and button) (e.g.,'Exclusive: X007241')
    >> - Click on that button.
    >> - Click on the 'X007241' button on the next page to see the home
    >> detail and pictures.
    >> - Then try to 'back up' with the 'Back Button'
    >>
    >> Jeez, I'm sick of this 'drilling down' !!

    >
    > If you didn't use frames, you could have given a link directly to the
    > X007241 page. No drilling required. :)



    Beau:

    Thanks for the clarification and the guidance on your webpage about
    visiting external sites.

    *Many* years ago, I live north across the *big* lake well north of you
    (i.e., in Picton)

    Again, many thanks !

    -Mel Smith
     
    Mel Smith, Jul 26, 2010
    #19
  20. Mel Smith

    Dave Guest

    Mel Smith wrote:
    > Enviro: IE7, Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari browsing my own website
    > (mesaeastpark.com) and its real estate listings.
    >
    > As a newbie, I've been fussing over the last day or so about an annoying
    > characteristic of the 'Back Button' of the above browsers.
    > On some *external* sites I visit (from one of my pages on my own site),
    > my 'back button' fails to return me to the previous page. When I press this
    > button, the current page reloads again, and again. This is highly annoying
    > to me (and to my visitors).
    > After puzzling over this problem all morning, it seems that the
    > visitation to 'some' external sites leads to a *further* leap by that site
    > to a further page (which contains the ultimate info desired). However,
    > *now* the back button returns to that 'certain' external site and thence to
    > the detail page again.
    >
    > Result: I can never get back the my own site again and have to 'X' the
    > browser.


    Terrible frame designs notwithstanding, you do realise that your back
    button also acts as a dropdown allowing you to go back several pages in
    one go?

    No need to close the browser/window !

    (At least it does by default in IE and Firefox, and can be made to do so
    in Opera. No idea about Safari/Chrome).
     
    Dave, Jul 26, 2010
    #20
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