basic html page: shows up in Win98, NOT in WinXP (usually)...!!!?

Discussion in 'HTML' started by Reuben L., Oct 28, 2003.

  1. Reuben L.

    Reuben L. Guest

    any ideas what might be going on?

    I've got some webspace, that came w/my ISP... and I've put up a one-page
    HTML, just for practice... and lately, it can NOT be seen on my Windows XP
    computer... I get a 'page not found' error. however, if I walk over to my
    Windows 98 machine, it comes up every time.
    occasionally, my XP computer will show it to me... usually not. (IE6, SP1
    on both computers, firewall/antivirus disabled to make sure)

    to further complicate: I just now restarted my XP machine in 'safe mode
    with networking support', started IE6, and it showed me the page with NO
    problem! and... when I restarted XP in normal mode, (it's current state)
    it AGAIN was able to show it to me! so at the moment, it's working fine...

    why is this so inconsistent? I'm wondering if it's more due to my
    particular computer's configuration, than anything else... except: I sent
    the link to a friend of mine (windows 2000) in the Czech Republic, and he
    got back to me, saying that he couldn't see the page either!

    oh, here is the 'base' page:
    http://w3.bllvwa.cablespeed.com/~surfshop/
    I also bought a domain name, and have it forwarded to the above address:
    but I don't think it makes any difference. if I can't get to one, I can't
    get to the other....
    that one is http://www.surfshopcomputers.net/

    any suggestions? I made the page with Mozilla's
    composer- html editor.

    ~Reuben

    ReubenL1 --at-- hotmail.com
    Reuben L., Oct 28, 2003
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  2. Reuben L.

    Jay Guest

    "Reuben L." <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > any ideas what might be going on?
    >
    > I've got some webspace, that came w/my ISP... and I've put up a one-page
    > HTML, just for practice... and lately, it can NOT be seen on my Windows

    XP
    > computer... I get a 'page not found' error. however, if I walk over to

    my
    > Windows 98 machine, it comes up every time.
    > occasionally, my XP computer will show it to me... usually not. (IE6,

    SP1
    > on both computers, firewall/antivirus disabled to make sure)


    <snip>

    > oh, here is the 'base' page:
    > http://w3.bllvwa.cablespeed.com/~surfshop/
    > I also bought a domain name, and have it forwarded to the above address:
    > but I don't think it makes any difference. if I can't get to one, I can't
    > get to the other....
    > that one is http://www.surfshopcomputers.net/



    Running Windows 2000 (IE6) and found the following...

    http://w3.bllvwa.cablespeed.com/~surfshop/ returns: The page cannot be
    displayed

    http://www.surfshopcomputers.net/ returns: Action canceled

    When I try with Mozilla or Netscape it gives me the following message: "The
    document contains no data".

    - J
    Jay, Oct 28, 2003
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  3. Reuben L.

    Denise Enck Guest

    "Reuben L." <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > any ideas what might be going on?
    >
    > I've got some webspace, that came w/my ISP... and I've put up a one-page
    > HTML, just for practice... and lately, it can NOT be seen on my Windows

    XP
    > computer... I get a 'page not found' error. however, if I walk over to

    my
    > Windows 98 machine, it comes up every time.
    > occasionally, my XP computer will show it to me... usually not. (IE6,

    SP1
    > on both computers, firewall/antivirus disabled to make sure)
    >
    > to further complicate: I just now restarted my XP machine in 'safe mode
    > with networking support', started IE6, and it showed me the page with NO
    > problem! and... when I restarted XP in normal mode, (it's current

    state)
    > it AGAIN was able to show it to me! so at the moment, it's working fine...
    >
    > why is this so inconsistent? I'm wondering if it's more due to my
    > particular computer's configuration, than anything else... except: I

    sent
    > the link to a friend of mine (windows 2000) in the Czech Republic, and he
    > got back to me, saying that he couldn't see the page either!
    >
    > oh, here is the 'base' page:
    > http://w3.bllvwa.cablespeed.com/~surfshop/
    > I also bought a domain name, and have it forwarded to the above address:
    > but I don't think it makes any difference. if I can't get to one, I can't
    > get to the other....
    > that one is http://www.surfshopcomputers.net/
    >
    > any suggestions? I made the page with Mozilla's
    > composer- html editor.
    >
    > ~Reuben
    >
    > ReubenL1 --at-- hotmail.com
    >


    Hi Reuben ~

    I can access it okay here (IE or Mozilla) on XP.
    But when I tried to run it through the validator (validator.w3.org) I got
    an error:

    "I got the following unexpected response when trying to retrieve
    <http://w3.bllvwa.cablespeed.com/~surfshop/>: 500 Can't connect to
    w3.bllvwa.cablespeed.com:80 (Timeout)"

    I tried again and it did connect (and the good news is your page is almost
    valid). Tried again & got a timeout again.

    Looks like it may be a problem with your ISP - I'd ask them.

    best,
    Denise
    Denise Enck, Oct 28, 2003
    #3
  4. Reuben L.

    Marc Nadeau Guest

    Reuben L. a écrit:

    > any ideas what might be going on?
    >
    > I've got some webspace, that came w/my ISP... and I've put up a one-page
    > HTML, just for practice... and lately, it can NOT be seen on my Windows
    > XP
    > computer... I get a 'page not found' error. however, if I walk over to
    > my Windows 98 machine, it comes up every time.
    > occasionally, my XP computer will show it to me... usually not. (IE6,
    > SP1
    > on both computers, firewall/antivirus disabled to make sure)
    >
    > to further complicate: I just now restarted my XP machine in 'safe mode
    > with networking support', started IE6, and it showed me the page with NO
    > problem! and... when I restarted XP in normal mode, (it's current
    > state) it AGAIN was able to show it to me! so at the moment, it's working
    > fine...
    >
    > why is this so inconsistent? I'm wondering if it's more due to my
    > particular computer's configuration, than anything else... except: I
    > sent the link to a friend of mine (windows 2000) in the Czech Republic,
    > and he got back to me, saying that he couldn't see the page either!
    >
    > oh, here is the 'base' page:
    > http://w3.bllvwa.cablespeed.com/~surfshop/
    > I also bought a domain name, and have it forwarded to the above address:
    > but I don't think it makes any difference. if I can't get to one, I can't
    > get to the other....
    > that one is http://www.surfshopcomputers.net/
    >
    > any suggestions? I made the page with Mozilla's
    > composer- html editor.
    >
    > ~Reuben
    >
    > ReubenL1 --at-- hotmail.com


    I can see your page in konqueror.

    The design is not bad at all for a practice.

    I suggest that you use an external style sheet.

    Y'oull save a lot of time if you intend to have more than a single page.

    I also have the
    500 Can't connect to w3.bllvwa.cablespeed.com:80 (Timeout)"
    message when trying to validate it with the w3c.

    I suspect the problem to be with your ISPs server.

    --
    Marc Nadeau
    La Pagerie
    http://www.pagerie.com
    Marc Nadeau, Oct 29, 2003
    #4
  5. Reuben L.

    Reuben L. Guest

    wow, you guys are great! thanks, and Merci. (and I'm glad you liked the
    design! such as it is...)

    ok, next question...
    what is an 'external style sheet'? sounds like a 'format' tool, or
    something.

    another question: yes, I plan to have multiple pages... but I don't know
    how to do that with my 'forrwarded and masked' domain name!
    do I need an 'actual' host for my domain name, to do multiple pages?

    another question: what do I TELL my ISP? the guy I talked to 3 days ago
    said 'no problem seeing it here' ... he was using Windows 2000.

    is it possible I did something wrong in my design? or is it all on the
    ISP's shoulders?

    thanks, & Merci again..

    ~Reuben





    "Marc Nadeau" <> wrote in message
    news:FeEnb.15694$...
    > Reuben L. a écrit:
    >
    > > any ideas what might be going on?
    > >
    > > I've got some webspace, that came w/my ISP... and I've put up a

    one-page
    > > HTML, just for practice... and lately, it can NOT be seen on my Windows
    > > XP
    > > computer... I get a 'page not found' error. however, if I walk over

    to
    > > my Windows 98 machine, it comes up every time.
    > > occasionally, my XP computer will show it to me... usually not. (IE6,
    > > SP1
    > > on both computers, firewall/antivirus disabled to make sure)
    > >
    > > to further complicate: I just now restarted my XP machine in 'safe

    mode
    > > with networking support', started IE6, and it showed me the page with NO
    > > problem! and... when I restarted XP in normal mode, (it's current
    > > state) it AGAIN was able to show it to me! so at the moment, it's

    working
    > > fine...
    > >
    > > why is this so inconsistent? I'm wondering if it's more due to my
    > > particular computer's configuration, than anything else... except: I
    > > sent the link to a friend of mine (windows 2000) in the Czech Republic,
    > > and he got back to me, saying that he couldn't see the page either!
    > >
    > > oh, here is the 'base' page:
    > > http://w3.bllvwa.cablespeed.com/~surfshop/
    > > I also bought a domain name, and have it forwarded to the above address:
    > > but I don't think it makes any difference. if I can't get to one, I

    can't
    > > get to the other....
    > > that one is http://www.surfshopcomputers.net/
    > >
    > > any suggestions? I made the page with Mozilla's
    > > composer- html editor.
    > >
    > > ~Reuben
    > >
    > > ReubenL1 --at-- hotmail.com

    >
    > I can see your page in konqueror.
    >
    > The design is not bad at all for a practice.
    >
    > I suggest that you use an external style sheet.
    >
    > Y'oull save a lot of time if you intend to have more than a single page.
    >
    > I also have the
    > 500 Can't connect to w3.bllvwa.cablespeed.com:80 (Timeout)"
    > message when trying to validate it with the w3c.
    >
    > I suspect the problem to be with your ISPs server.
    >
    > --
    > Marc Nadeau
    > La Pagerie
    > http://www.pagerie.com
    Reuben L., Oct 30, 2003
    #5
  6. Reuben L.

    Reuben L. Guest

    ok, html boys and girls...
    I just went to that http://validator.w3.org site, and for giggles, uploaded
    my 'index.html' doc, and it came back with this friendly message:
    "This page is not Valid HTML 4.01 Transitional!"

    great!

    so here's the rest of it... how do I 'decode' it? are there changes I
    should make?

    the little red marks (the ^ symbols) are all under the "o:p>" tag.

    what did I do? or... what did Mozilla/Composer do? (or is it relevant?)

    ~Reuben


    Jump To: [Results]
    File: E:\Documents and Settings\oscar\My Documents\WEBPAGE\index.html
    Encoding: iso-8859-1
    Doctype: HTML 4.01 Transitional
    Errors: 3

    This page is not Valid HTML 4.01 Transitional!


    Below are the results of attempting to parse this document with an SGML
    parser.

    Line 30, column 47: element "O

    style="font-weight: bold;">omputers</span><o:p></o:p></span></div>

    ^
    Line 35, column 38: element "O

    Hadlock, Washington ~ 98339</span><o:p></o:p></span></h4>
    ^
    Line 39, column 18: element "O

    379-9535</big><o:p></o:p></span></h4>
    ^
    Reuben L., Oct 30, 2003
    #6
  7. Reuben L.

    rf Guest

    "Reuben L." <> wrote in message
    news:...

    >
    > Below are the results of attempting to parse this document with an SGML
    > parser.
    >
    > Line 30, column 47: element "O
    >
    > style="font-weight: bold;">omputers</span><o:p></o:p></span></div>


    There is no "o" element in HTML. Who put that there? Your "wisiwyg" editor?

    Cheers
    Richard.
    rf, Oct 30, 2003
    #7
  8. Reuben L.

    Eric Bohlman Guest

    "Reuben L." <> wrote in
    news::

    > This page is not Valid HTML 4.01 Transitional!
    >
    >
    > Below are the results of attempting to parse this document with an
    > SGML parser.
    >
    > Line 30, column 47: element "O
    >
    > style="font-weight: bold;">omputers</span><o:p></o:p></span></div>


    <o:p> looks suspiciously like a p element written with an XML namespace
    prefix. However, HTML 4.01 Transitional is an SGML doctype, not an XML
    doctype, and therefore XML namespace prefixes aren't allowed. Is it
    possible that you need to be validating against one of the XHTML doctypes
    instead?
    Eric Bohlman, Oct 31, 2003
    #8
  9. Reuben L.

    Reuben L. Guest

    ya kind of lost me...!

    I'm very new at html, so I really don't know what 'standard' or 'format' I
    should be following.
    I created it in Mozillla's Composer... and thought it was good to go! can
    I select a different 'doctype' or whatever?
    pardon my misuse of the terms....

    what do you recommend?

    my goal: a very simple webpage, readable by ANYthing... opera, netscape,
    mozilla, IE, Jim-Bob's Browsers-R-Us, whatever.

    ~Reuben


    "Eric Bohlman" <> wrote in message
    news:Xns9425177727371ebohlmanomsdevcom@130.133.1.4...
    > "Reuben L." <> wrote in
    > news::
    >
    > > This page is not Valid HTML 4.01 Transitional!
    > >
    > >
    > > Below are the results of attempting to parse this document with an
    > > SGML parser.
    > >
    > > Line 30, column 47: element "O
    > >
    > > style="font-weight: bold;">omputers</span><o:p></o:p></span></div>

    >
    > <o:p> looks suspiciously like a p element written with an XML namespace
    > prefix. However, HTML 4.01 Transitional is an SGML doctype, not an XML
    > doctype, and therefore XML namespace prefixes aren't allowed. Is it
    > possible that you need to be validating against one of the XHTML doctypes
    > instead?
    Reuben L., Nov 1, 2003
    #9
  10. Reuben L. wrote:
    >
    > I'm very new at html,
    > ...
    > my goal: a very simple webpage, readable by ANYthing... opera,
    > netscape, mozilla, IE, Jim-Bob's Browsers-R-Us, whatever.
    >


    Then start over.
    Choose a doctype - 4.01 strict is usually recommended for new web documents
    Choose encoding
    declare a <title>...</title>
    In your <body> use only the following

    <h...>...</h...>
    <p>..</p>
    <ul><li>..</li>...</ul>
    <a href="...">...</a>
    <img alt="..." src="...">

    use <table> if you must - that is if you have tabular data to present.

    specifically, do not use:
    <font>
    <center>

    This will work in *ALL[1]* user agents.

    When you have your document structure sorted, add a link to an external
    stylesheet and start to suggest colours, sizes etc.

    [1] e&oe - to the best of my knowledge and belief.
    --
    William Tasso - http://WilliamTasso.com
    William Tasso, Nov 1, 2003
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