Beginner asp tutorial required + dreamweaver or FP

Discussion in 'ASP General' started by Colin Kingston, Oct 25, 2004.

  1. Hi

    I have reasonable experience with access. I am just about to start a
    web based database project for my computer course.

    I have very very limited experience of frontpage, VB & VB script, I
    have no experience of ASP or dreamweaver.

    I have office xp pro and am in the process of buying and installing
    win xp pro. Is there anything else I need?

    Idealy I would like to download a simple working access / asp database
    to 'play' with and find a tutorial which takes me from a simple access
    db using it on the web. - any guidance for either of these would be
    appreciated.

    After my course project I would like to develop more web based
    databases. Should I make the effort to use and learn Dreamweaver now
    or should I use MS FP for the projest and learn DW later?

    Thanks Colin
     
    Colin Kingston, Oct 25, 2004
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  2. Colin Kingston

    thorpe Guest

    personally, i would stay well clear of frontpage or dreamweaver. especially
    while your learning. they both write very messy ineficient code, and are not
    gonna do you ANY favours.

    as for tutorials, although the web is a great source for such things, i
    still believe a good book to get the groundwork done is the way to go. i
    would recomend 'beginning ASP 3.0" by wrox press, or better still, if your
    just startting, you should really look into learning .NET

    "Colin Kingston" wrote:

    > Hi
    >
    > I have reasonable experience with access. I am just about to start a
    > web based database project for my computer course.
    >
    > I have very very limited experience of frontpage, VB & VB script, I
    > have no experience of ASP or dreamweaver.
    >
    > I have office xp pro and am in the process of buying and installing
    > win xp pro. Is there anything else I need?
    >
    > Idealy I would like to download a simple working access / asp database
    > to 'play' with and find a tutorial which takes me from a simple access
    > db using it on the web. - any guidance for either of these would be
    > appreciated.
    >
    > After my course project I would like to develop more web based
    > databases. Should I make the effort to use and learn Dreamweaver now
    > or should I use MS FP for the projest and learn DW later?
    >
    > Thanks Colin
    >
     
    thorpe, Oct 25, 2004
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  3. Colin Kingston

    Anthony Judd Guest

    For my part, I am happy using dreamweaver,web matrix or visual studio.

    It is particularly important to build good programming practices when you
    start out.
    Eg, code indentation, coding conventions and commentting ect

    WYSIWYG won't give you those skills, so don't get to reliant on this aspect
    of the above products.

    XP Pro = good idea, you will get IIS which you will need to do server side
    scripting.

    Access Database: Not the best idea.
    If you are serious about Web based database development, I wouldn't really
    bother with Access.
    Download SQL Server Developer Edition and begin their, it is a considerable
    step up. but if your going to spend
    the time learning something it might as well be that.

    You will definately need to do some reading, and be married to these forums.

    Also unless you are required to learn classic ASP, it may be worthwhile
    considering ASP.Net.

    If you haven't done this stuff before, asp + access is fine for hobby
    projects at home to get you acqainted.
    The above instructions will mostlikely cause a bit of grief if you pursue
    them, when you begin. It is all definately up hill
    at the start. As always over time it gets a lot easier.

    AJ
     
    Anthony Judd, Oct 26, 2004
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  4. Colin Kingston

    Anthony Judd Guest

    Just read the previous post!

    To do ASP.NET just go to www.asp.net and dowload the .NET Framework , Web
    Matrix & the SDK.
    Like i said this isn't the easiest of courses!!!
     
    Anthony Judd, Oct 26, 2004
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  5. "Colin Kingston" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi
    >
    > I have reasonable experience with access. I am just about to start a
    > web based database project for my computer course.
    >
    > I have very very limited experience of frontpage, VB & VB script, I
    > have no experience of ASP or dreamweaver.
    >
    > I have office xp pro and am in the process of buying and installing
    > win xp pro. Is there anything else I need?
    >
    > Idealy I would like to download a simple working access / asp database
    > to 'play' with and find a tutorial which takes me from a simple access
    > db using it on the web. - any guidance for either of these would be
    > appreciated.
    >
    > After my course project I would like to develop more web based
    > databases. Should I make the effort to use and learn Dreamweaver now
    > or should I use MS FP for the projest and learn DW later?
    >


    In my opinion, you should start out using neither, but code your HTML by
    hand. MS FP is just plain awful (though I have not used it in several
    versions). Dreamweaver is a nice layout tool. But its client-side code is
    awful to maintain. Both sheild you from understanding the code you are
    working with IMO. I sometimes use Dreamweaver to work on layout with tables
    and whatnot, but I never ever ever use its automatically generated
    client-side script.

    If it were me, I would use Interdev or even Visual Studio.NET can be used to
    write ASP classic. Or notepad works great too. I would bet others know of
    decent cheap or free editors...

    > Thanks Colin
     
    Stephanie Stowe, Oct 26, 2004
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  6. Colin Kingston

    Jeff Cochran Guest

    On 25 Oct 2004 06:29:18 -0700, (Colin Kingston)
    wrote:

    >I have reasonable experience with access. I am just about to start a
    >web based database project for my computer course.
    >
    >I have very very limited experience of frontpage, VB & VB script, I
    >have no experience of ASP or dreamweaver.
    >
    >I have office xp pro and am in the process of buying and installing
    >win xp pro. Is there anything else I need?


    Not to start.

    >Idealy I would like to download a simple working access / asp database
    >to 'play' with and find a tutorial which takes me from a simple access
    >db using it on the web. - any guidance for either of these would be
    >appreciated.


    Try aspin.com for tutorial databases, or do a Google on "ASP Database
    Tutorial" and you'll find plenty.

    >After my course project I would like to develop more web based
    >databases. Should I make the effort to use and learn Dreamweaver now
    >or should I use MS FP for the projest and learn DW later?


    DreamWeaver will be mor ein demand, but is less easy to use for ASP
    coding than a coding environment. FP is solid, and good for
    non-developers, but likewise not great for ASP development. Might
    look at ASP development tools (or ASP.NET) such as PrimalScript,
    VisualStudio or simple free text editors.

    Jeff
     
    Jeff Cochran, Nov 3, 2004
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  7. Colin Kingston

    Paxton Guest

    "Jeff Cochran" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On 25 Oct 2004 06:29:18 -0700, (Colin Kingston)
    > wrote:
    >
    >>I have reasonable experience with access. I am just about to start a
    >>web based database project for my computer course.
    >>
    >>I have very very limited experience of frontpage, VB & VB script, I
    >>have no experience of ASP or dreamweaver.
    >>
    >>I have office xp pro and am in the process of buying and installing
    >>win xp pro. Is there anything else I need?

    >
    > Not to start.
    >
    >>Idealy I would like to download a simple working access / asp database
    >>to 'play' with and find a tutorial which takes me from a simple access
    >>db using it on the web. - any guidance for either of these would be
    >>appreciated.

    >
    > Try aspin.com for tutorial databases, or do a Google on "ASP Database
    > Tutorial" and you'll find plenty.
    >
    >>After my course project I would like to develop more web based
    >>databases. Should I make the effort to use and learn Dreamweaver now
    >>or should I use MS FP for the projest and learn DW later?

    >
    > DreamWeaver will be mor ein demand, but is less easy to use for ASP
    > coding than a coding environment. FP is solid, and good for
    > non-developers, but likewise not great for ASP development. Might
    > look at ASP development tools (or ASP.NET) such as PrimalScript,
    > VisualStudio or simple free text editors.
    >


    As a self-taught ASP coder (2 years part time - probably intermediate to
    advanced level now) I started with an existing ASP site + Access database,
    and pulled it apart, then rebuilt it. For starting, I'd recommend 1st Page
    2000 from Evrsoft (www.evrsoft.com). It's free and will get you into the
    discipline of typing all your code properly without relying on auto-complete
    features. I also use DreamWeaver. It produces good clean HTML or XHTML.
     
    Paxton, Nov 3, 2004
    #7
  8. Colin Kingston

    g Guest

    turorial here:
    http://giuciao.altervista.org/free_books.html

    (Colin Kingston) wrote in message news:<>...
    > Hi
    >
    > I have reasonable experience with access. I am just about to start a
    > web based database project for my computer course.
    >
    > I have very very limited experience of frontpage, VB & VB script, I
    > have no experience of ASP or dreamweaver.
    >
    > I have office xp pro and am in the process of buying and installing
    > win xp pro. Is there anything else I need?
    >
    > Idealy I would like to download a simple working access / asp database
    > to 'play' with and find a tutorial which takes me from a simple access
    > db using it on the web. - any guidance for either of these would be
    > appreciated.
    >
    > After my course project I would like to develop more web based
    > databases. Should I make the effort to use and learn Dreamweaver now
    > or should I use MS FP for the projest and learn DW later?
    >
    > Thanks Colin
     
    g, Nov 4, 2004
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