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Noozer

I get no business at all through search engines, yet I always seem to be
busy. Who's to say whether the Stormy Tuesday needs any work from
people using search engines?

The site still sucks...

The first thing I did, once I clicked that stupid link on their mostly empty
start page and the new window popped up, was to reopen the new page in a
normal browser window. By the time I did that I had lost any interest in
figuring out what the point of the site was to start with.
 
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Liz

In message <[email protected]>

[http://www.stormytuesday.com]

I don't get it.

What's wrong with that site?
If there's anything other than a big blank page with a small image in it
saying stormy tuesday inc, a drop of ketchup, 'consultancy', and a copyright
notice, I can't see it, and no manner of 'minesweeping' shows up any links.

I take it that makes the site inaccessible?

Slainte

Liz
 
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Mark Parnell

Previously in alt.html said:
The first thing I did, once I clicked that stupid link on their mostly empty
start page and the new window popped up, was to reopen the new page in a
normal browser window. By the time I did that I had lost any interest in
figuring out what the point of the site was to start with.

When I clicked on the link nothing happened at all (and yes, I have
Javascript enabled). If I was actually looking for something, I would
have just gone elsewhere, but since it was the subject of discussion
here, I checked the source code and typed the address of the second page
into my browser address bar myself.
 
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Travis Newbury

Uhmm, exactly *how* is this site reaching people?

First, it worked on my machine (firefox an IE6), there for it works on
about 80-90% of the visitors out there.

Second, the style did not appeal to you. So what. It is appealing to
others.
Their redesign has been online since the end of October, but because of the
idiotic Javascript link on their splash page, Google hasn't found any of
their new pages (in the "/white" subdirectory). See for yourself:
so

so

Google has plenty of older pages cached, but they all come back with 404
errors now because apparently these people didn't set up any redirects
either.
so

It's a pretty design, but utterly useless.

so

Just because something is not appealing to you does not make it a bad
site. Different strokes for different folks.
 
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Travis Newbury

So their customers don't care that they can't read the site unless they
have perfect vision? Or that the site doesn't work without Javascript,
or with a popup blocker running?

Their _customers_ can all see the site just fine. And for all you know,
they have more business than they can handle right now.
 
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Travis Newbury

If it means to alienate the vision-impaired, confuse the dickens out of
everyone else, and not ever be indexed by a search engine, I agree
wholeheartedly.

You should write to them and tell them, I am sure they will see the evil
in their ways and immediately change....
 
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Travis Newbury

It appeals to the people without disability who live in a damned bubble,
that's who it appeals to.

So roughly 80 or 90 percent of their visitors...
At Largest text in IE, the fonts are at the
minimum many people can read. There are a LOT of folks who could never
read that site in the only "browser" they know.
so


Besides, "eclectic" refers to someone with a wide variety of experiences
and influences. This in no way means they can read the text, make out what
the hell the second little box links to, or even figure out what the site
is about.

Eclectic is exactly what their site is.
Don't even try to defend it.

I am not defending the code, I am defending the right to reach an
audience the way you see best for your company. For all you know these
people may be turning away business. This design might work great for
them.
 
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Travis Newbury

So what part of that design couldn't have been achieved with good HTML and
loading the site in the main browser window?
Why do something wrong when you can easily do it right?

Absolutely none of it could not be done with good html. I am not
defending the HTML. I am defending the design.
 
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Travis Newbury

So, next time your car won't start it's acceptable for the mechanic to just
strap a horse to the front to pull it around? It'll get you where you need
to go.

Why yes,that is such a good analogy...
 
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Neal

Travis Newbury:
So roughly 80 or 90 percent of their visitors...

.... leaving 10-20% of the visitors shut out and unable to even dicern
whetherthis is what they need or not. Although I'd estimate the number of
disenfranchised visitors a bit higher.

So they lose business. It's like a front door that's not at standard
width, so fat people can't buy your shoes. You lose sales, that's "so".
Eclectic is exactly what their site is.

Oh, you're an idiot. Explain what diverse styles of design they are
drawing from, please.
I am not defending the code, I am defending the right to reach an
audience the way you see best for your company. For all you know these
people may be turning away business. This design might work great for
them.

I definitely think they are turning away business. Their shoddy website
serves to confirm this.
 
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Neal

Travis Newbury:
You should write to them and tell them, I am sure they will see the evil
in their ways and immediately change....

You have mistakenly assumed I care whether they succeed or not. In fact,
if you posted a site here for critique, I don't care if you succeed or
not. I'll post what I think are important things to change for better
success, but you can feel free to ignore it. I don't care, I'll just think
you're an idiot.
 
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Neal

so

so

so

so

All you can offer?
Just because something is not appealing to you does not make it a bad
site. Different strokes for different folks.

It's not that it's unappealing. Actually, I find it quite appealing. But
appeal isn't what's important here. Until you understand that, you're
wasting my time.
 
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Travis Newbury

Travis Newbury:
... leaving 10-20% of the visitors shut out and unable to even dicern
whetherthis is what they need or not. Although I'd estimate the number of
disenfranchised visitors a bit higher.

Na, probably even lower. And it really doesn't matter anyway. If their
current site supports their company in a manner acceptable to the
company, it really makes no difference if they lose 10, 20, even 50% of
customers. And that is the part of the equation that we don't know.
this company may be turning customers away because they have to much
business. We don't know.
So they lose business. It's like a front door that's not at standard
width, so fat people can't buy your shoes. You lose sales, that's "so".

In theory this is correct, but in reality there is a very good
possibility they do no want or need those customers. We don't know for
sure do we. Anything we say about the gain or loss of their customer is
purely speculation isn't it?
Oh, you're an idiot. Explain what diverse styles of design they are
drawing from, please.

Oh the discursion ends and we start name calling how grown up acting...
It is not the diverse style of their design that makes them eclectic, it
is the content (remember you couldn't read that because you were
bitching about the font or something)
I definitely think they are turning away business. Their shoddy website
serves to confirm this.

There is nothing wrong with turning customers away if you can not handle
the additional business. To expand on someone's dumb analogy about a
car mechanic and my car. Does it help to have a master-mechanic if they
are too busy working to work on your car?
 
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Travis Newbury

You have mistakenly assumed I care whether they succeed or not.

No, I knew you don't care about them long before you commented on their
site. Remember, I don't disagree on your critique of their HTML, or
their use of fonts. I just disagree that they need to change it if the
current site adequately supports the company.
if you posted a site here for critique, I don't care if you succeed or
not. I'll post what I think are important things to change for better
success, but you can feel free to ignore it. I don't care, I'll just think
you're an idiot.

Neal, after lurking here and reading your posts, you think EVERYONE that
disagrees with you is an idiot, so I feel I am in good company.
 
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Travis Newbury

How about potential customers?
If they don't need potential customers - why the site?

All speculation. We don't know do we? That 80% that can see the site
just fine may be all the customers they ever need. We simply don't
know.
 
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Travis Newbury

All you can offer?

What should I have done simply written idiot like you do?

Explain to me how, if this site is getting them all the business they
can handle (and it may well be doing that we simply don't know do we?)
How would changing the site help them?
It's not that it's unappealing. Actually, I find it quite appealing. But
appeal isn't what's important here.

Na, Thats just something people that can't make an appealing site say.
Until you understand that, you're
wasting my time.

and you mine...

Guess we disagree.
 
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Philip Ronan

Travis said:
First, it worked on my machine (firefox an IE6), there for it works on
about 80-90% of the visitors out there.

Second, the style did not appeal to you. So what. It is appealing to
others.

Did I touch a raw nerve there or something? I'm sure I said it was a
"pretty" design...

.... so none of these pages are indexable by Google, which is still the most
popular search engine in the world. So that means they're blocking traffic
to their site unnecessarily.

.... so Anyone following links from Google to their old site design is liable
to assume that the site is no longer active.

Ooh, look. I *did* say it was pretty. And I said it was utterly useless.
Just because something is not appealing to you does not make it a bad
site. Different strokes for different folks.

I didn't say it was a bad site because I find it unappealing. It's a bad
site because it's useless.
 
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C.W.

Na, probably even lower. And it really doesn't matter anyway. If their
current site supports their company in a manner acceptable to the
company, it really makes no difference if they lose 10, 20, even 50% of
customers. And that is the part of the equation that we don't know.
this company may be turning customers away because they have to much
business. We don't know.

Then you don't know if they are doing OK either with the otherside of
the coin on percentage figures.

Ok, let's use the lowest figure of "even 50%" you said that "really
makes no difference" if they lost those customers and say that the
site averaged turning 50% of their hits into sales - then that means
they lowered themselves to only half of that 50% for profits/income.

So how can you say "it makes no difference if they lose 10, 20, even
50% of customers"? Not every hit to a site turns into a sale for that
site so you have to consider another set of averages. If their
conversion rate is lower than 50% ... then the company may hindering
its growth potential or turning a higher profit margin.
In theory this is correct, but in reality there is a very good
possibility they do no want or need those customers. We don't know for
sure do we. Anything we say about the gain or loss of their customer is
purely speculation isn't it?

There is also a good possibility they do want and need those customers
- based on the purpose of the site itself. If someone purposefully
creates a site with the intention of promoting their business or
goods, I don't think they spent that time creating it while thinking
"well, I really don't need or want customers as a result of it".

[snip]
There is nothing wrong with turning customers away if you can not handle
the additional business.

You are the only one speculating that the people behind the site could
not handle additional business - the others have been saying that the
site is potentially turning away customers but not for the reasoning
of "turning away customers if you can not handle the additional
business". There's a big difference.

If a business sets up shop and has the only entrance to their store
being a doggie style door ... are they turning away business due to
'having enough already" or "limiting themselves" to only those who can
enter through the entry point provided by the shop?
To expand on someone's dumb analogy about a
car mechanic and my car. Does it help to have a master-mechanic if they
are too busy working to work on your car?

Can a mechanics shop afford to keep 5 master mechanics or hiring 2 or
3 more on the payroll if they are turning away customers due to bad
layout or business decisions?

Carol
 
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Hywel Jenkins

The site still sucks...

The first thing I did, once I clicked that stupid link on their mostly empty
start page and the new window popped up, was to reopen the new page in a
normal browser window. By the time I did that I had lost any interest in
figuring out what the point of the site was to start with.

You weren't there to find anything interesting anyway. Like the others,
you were there to find something to criticise, so no one's lost
anything, have they?
 

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