Gérard Talbot said:
No I'm not. I just think these people don't know much about browsers.
Again: the people who advocate any other browser than you are using
think the same about you. You think that they are wrong, they think you
are wrong, actually you are both equally wrong.
It is rude and offensive to ask users who don't use IE to change their
browser to IE, it is no less rude and offensive to ask IE users to
change to something else. There are arguments supporting both requests,
neither set of arguments can claim to be more true than the other. Which
set of arguments matters to a user is 100% dependent on personal
circumstances.
You cannot claim the moral high ground by saying that everyone needs a
secure browser, no browser is secure. The vast majority of IE users have
never suffered any security problems that can be attributed to their
choice of browser. Your claims about IE's security problems amount to
scaremongering, you make this claim under the false pretence that you
have the user's best interest at heart, in reality you are pushing a
private agenda. You are afraid that if you were to reveal the real
reason why you are pestering IE users they'd not take any notice, so
you've resorted to trying to scare them.
You'd
No I don't. Go and visit my own website.
If the code and content you posted is somewhere on your website then
that's all I need to know, the context in which it is displayed is of no
relevance.
You'll even find at least 20 links to download IE 6. It's been like that
for years too.
I ask visitors to my library to change their clothes if I don't like the
colour, but I also point them to places where they can get clothes in
that colour, so that demonstrates that I am not pushing my preference
onto them.
I did not create the US-CERT advisory in June 2004. I have not created
the secunia.com website.
CSS 1 and CSS 2.1 support and compliance can be tested, measured and
quantified: E. Meyer and Ian Hickson have done so and others have too.
There is a wide consensus among experts that IE 6 and IE 7 have poor web
standards support, compliance: no one seriously claims otherwise, even
Chris Wilson and David Massy.
HTML 4.01 support and compliance can be tested, measured and quantified:
R. Lionheart has done that.
Number of flaws, vulnerabilities (with demo, proof-of-concept code),
objective severity, gravity, time to patch, etc.. all of this can be
measured, assessed, quantified.
More personal opinions about what users should care about, the fact that
some others have a similar view doesn't change the fact that even if all
these claims are true, they could well be totally irrelevant to someone
else's choice of browser. You fail to grasp the fundamental point: it's
none of your bleeping business telling others what they should care for
in a browser.
If I was to promote Opera 9.1 or Firefox 2, I wouldn't be selling
anything. I don't work for them; I am not a share holder of Opera
either.
See the previous library example.
And a simple message promoting either or both product at the
bottom of a webpage wouldn't be invasive or anything like "agressively
pushing". You over-exaggerate here again: what's so offensive with a
browsehappy button or a "download Opera 9" image??
The fact that you think that it is your right to pester others about
having made a choice you don't like. You do this using deplorable
tactics and delivery methods.
I don't question the choice of Safari users. I don't question the choice
of Icab users. I don't question the choice of Dillo users. etc. etc. I
don't question the choice of any users using any browser actually.
I don't dislike brown, purple, yellow, I only ask you to change your
clothes when they are red.
Basically I would like to say to IE 6 users this: there are better
browsers than IE 6 available out there and there are better browsers
than IE 7.
What you want is to dictate to others what they should care for in a
browser. You "better" qualification is a personal one. To do so is
offensive and unacceptable in a free society.
Why you would feel offended by someone promoting another browser than IE
6 is beyond my comprehension.
Your comprehension needs enlarging.
All browser manufacturers have promotion banners and promotion buttons.
Even non-browser softwares. Are they all nuts, way out of line???
All clothes manufacturers promote their chosen colour of clothes, that's
fine. This doesn't give the librarian the right to bother people coming
into his library who wear a colour he doesn't like.