Centering

Discussion in 'HTML' started by dorayme, Apr 6, 2007.

  1. dorayme

    dorayme Guest

    I assume there is simply no good way to centre the mass of
    rectangles (shrink fit a wrapper and centre wrapper, left/right)
    here:

    http://tinyurl.com/ypnfc8

    ?

    If this is so, since they are reasonably fine uncentered anyway,
    a URL to suitable javascript "solution" would be appreciated - if
    there be such.

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    dorayme
    dorayme, Apr 6, 2007
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  2. dorayme wrote:
    > I assume there is simply no good way to centre the mass of
    > rectangles (shrink fit a wrapper and centre wrapper, left/right)
    > here:
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/ypnfc8
    >
    > ?
    >
    > If this is so, since they are reasonably fine uncentered anyway,
    > a URL to suitable javascript "solution" would be appreciated - if
    > there be such.
    >


    Not full tested but...

    Change style:
    * {margin: 0; padding: 0;}
    #wrapper div {margin: 2px; padding: 0; float: left; width: 102px;
    height: 77px}
    #wrapper div img {width:100px; height:75px; border: 1px solid #000;
    background: #fff;}

    Add "wrapper" DIV to contain all thumb DIVs:

    <div id="wrapper">
    <div>
    <a href="some.html"><img src="landscapeThumb.gif" alt="some"></a>
    </div>
    ...
    </div>


    JavaScript:
    function centerMe(){
    var offsetWidth=document.documentElement.offsetWidth
    //thumb + border + margin
    var thumb=100 + 2 + 4;
    //number of thumbails across that will fit
    var count=parseInt(offsetWidth/thumb);
    //width for wrapper
    var width=count * thumb;
    //calc left margin
    var left=parseInt((offsetWidth-width)/2)
    //grab "wrapper" DIV
    var wrap=document.getElementById('wrapper');
    //adjust style
    wrap.style.width=width + "px";
    wrap.style.marginLeft=left + "px";
    }

    // attach events
    if( window.addEventListener ) {
    window.addEventListener('load',centerMe,false); //legacy
    window.addEventListener('resize',centerMe,false);
    } else if( document.addEventListener ) {
    document.addEventListener('load',centerMe,false); //proper
    document.addEventListener('resize',centerMe,false);
    } else if( window.attachEvent ) {
    window.attachEvent("onload", centerMe); //IE only
    window.attachEvent("onresize", centerMe);
    }

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
    Jonathan N. Little, Apr 6, 2007
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  3. dorayme

    dorayme Guest

    In article <3cf89$4615c6ef$40cba7c0$>,
    "Jonathan N. Little" <> wrote:

    > dorayme wrote:
    > > I assume there is simply no good way to centre the mass of
    > > rectangles (shrink fit a wrapper and centre wrapper, left/right)
    > > here:
    > >
    > > http://tinyurl.com/ypnfc8
    > >
    > > ?
    > >
    > > If this is so, since they are reasonably fine uncentered anyway,
    > > a URL to suitable javascript "solution" would be appreciated - if
    > > there be such.
    > >

    >
    > Not full tested but...
    >


    > Add "wrapper" DIV to contain all thumb DIVs:
    >


    > JavaScript:
    > function centerMe(){
    > var offsetWidth=document.documentElement.offsetWidth



    Thanks for this Jonathan, it works in Safari, also in iCab but
    not in FF or Opera. I have not tested in WinIE (it has no effect
    in MacIE... <g>) I will put it up at:

    http://tinyurl.com/ypnfc8

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    dorayme
    dorayme, Apr 6, 2007
    #3
  4. dorayme

    Ben C Guest

    On 2007-04-06, dorayme <> wrote:
    > I assume there is simply no good way to centre the mass of
    > rectangles (shrink fit a wrapper and centre wrapper, left/right)
    > here:
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/ypnfc8


    Right, because even where shrink-to-fit wrappers like display:
    table-cell and display: inline-block are supported, the computed
    shrink-to-fit width in that example works out to be the same as the
    available width anyway.

    In that example, the minimum width is about 102px (the width of the
    longest float), the maximum width is the width of all the floats on one
    "line" (something huge). The available width, the width of BODY, is
    likely to be between those two values.

    Basically shrink-to-fit only "shrinks" to anything when the maximum
    width (width of everything on one line) is smaller than the available
    width.

    > If this is so, since they are reasonably fine uncentered anyway,
    > a URL to suitable javascript "solution" would be appreciated - if
    > there be such.


    In an ideal world you'd do this by making each thumbnail an inline-block
    instead of a float, and putting text-align: center on their container.
    That would give just the effect you want, and might even work on IE
    since Mr Korpela has said that inline-blocks with widths set on them
    give it less of a problem than usual.

    I'm assuming you need the thumbnails to be little block boxes in their
    own right-- if you don't need captions or anything, just use inline img
    elements and don't float them. Use text-align: center on the container
    and it will all work much like inline-blocks even in FF.

    The problem if you just use inline-block is that it will look positively
    wrong in FF (I suspect each image on its own line). So you could use
    float, then the JS could sniff out whether inline-block is supported and
    then just go round changing everything to inline block, i.e.

    node.style.float = "none";
    node.style.display = "inline-block";

    etc.

    You can leave #wrapper as text-align: center from the start since it
    won't affect the floats.

    Then you'd default to the floats even if JS was turned off, which would
    be OK since they don't look that bad. If JS was on, and the browser
    supported it, then you'd get the centering.
    Ben C, Apr 6, 2007
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  5. dorayme wrote:

    > Thanks for this Jonathan, it works in Safari, also in iCab but
    > not in FF or Opera. I have not tested in WinIE (it has no effect
    > in MacIE... <g>) I will put it up at:
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/ypnfc8
    >


    Works in my FF, SeaMonkey & Opera! And "sorta" for WinIE, some tweaking
    maybe needed for IE "alternate" methods of calculating margins ;-) (In
    IE's defense there is probably a round-off error issue).

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
    Jonathan N. Little, Apr 6, 2007
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  6. dorayme

    dorayme Guest

    In article <873f$461651da$40cba7b3$>,
    "Jonathan N. Little" <> wrote:

    > dorayme wrote:
    >
    > > Thanks for this Jonathan, it works in Safari, also in iCab but
    > > not in FF or Opera. I have not tested in WinIE (it has no effect
    > > in MacIE... <g>) I will put it up at:
    > >
    > > http://tinyurl.com/ypnfc8
    > >

    >
    > Works in my FF, SeaMonkey & Opera! And "sorta" for WinIE, some tweaking
    > maybe needed for IE "alternate" methods of calculating margins ;-) (In
    > IE's defense there is probably a round-off error issue).


    Works in my Mac FF and Opera now.

    While I am here Jonathan, I will take a peek on my Win 2000 box...

    Nah, no good I am afraid. Yes, it is trying, but the effect is so
    marginal as to count for a fail on this particular size
    thumbnail. (I will leave you to ponder defences for WinIE, I feel
    more merciless towards it).

    Anyway, pity... The point of bothering with this sort of thing is
    to provide for the majority in this centering. I will try to
    tweak by using sizes that I often do use, namely, 200x150 for
    landscape, 150x200 for portrait... maybe IE will do better with
    different figures.

    Just one q, is IE 7 any better than 6 on this score? In other
    words, does IE 7 center the mass of thumbnails as good as in FF
    or as weakly as in IE6?

    In some of the applications I have in mind for this centering, I
    have landscapes and portaits, each block with their own wrapper.
    I suppose I would have to sophisticate up the JS to address the
    two blocks...

    Perhaps the situation could be improved (at the cost of a little
    screen wastage) by somehow making for the mass as a whole to use
    up a much more "noticeable" amount of left and right margin.

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    dorayme
    dorayme, Apr 6, 2007
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  7. dorayme

    dorayme Guest

    In article <>,
    Ben C <> wrote:

    > On 2007-04-06, dorayme <> wrote:
    > > I assume there is simply no good way to centre the mass of
    > > rectangles (shrink fit a wrapper and centre wrapper, left/right)
    > > here:
    > >
    > > http://tinyurl.com/ypnfc8

    >

    ....

    > Basically shrink-to-fit only "shrinks" to anything when the maximum
    > width (width of everything on one line) is smaller than the available
    > width.
    >


    Indeed and is easily observed by moving the closing div to the
    wrapper up in the html to enclose just a few (say 8 - for a big
    screen, gets a nice big fat margin, left and right) thumnbnail
    divs.


    > > If this is so, since they are reasonably fine uncentered anyway,
    > > a URL to suitable javascript "solution" would be appreciated - if
    > > there be such.

    >
    > In an ideal world you'd do this by making each thumbnail an inline-block
    > instead of a float, and putting text-align: center on their container.
    > That would give just the effect you want, and might even work on IE
    > since Mr Korpela has said that inline-blocks with widths set on them
    > give it less of a problem than usual.
    >
    > I'm assuming you need the thumbnails to be little block boxes in their
    > own right-- if you don't need captions or anything, just use inline img
    > elements and don't float them. Use text-align: center on the container
    > and it will all work much like inline-blocks even in FF.
    >


    My galleries usually have captions and the URL above was an
    abstraction. In fact, to take a snip from an actual site I used:

    a {display: block; font-size: 85%;}

    and had short captions that sat nicely under each pic.

    But ... back to centering...

    > The problem if you just use inline-block is that it will look positively
    > wrong in FF (I suspect each image on its own line). So you could use
    > float, then the JS could sniff out whether inline-block is supported and
    > then just go round changing everything to inline block, i.e.
    >
    > node.style.float = "none";
    > node.style.display = "inline-block";
    >
    > etc.
    >
    > You can leave #wrapper as text-align: center from the start since it
    > won't affect the floats.
    >
    > Then you'd default to the floats even if JS was turned off, which would
    > be OK since they don't look that bad. If JS was on, and the browser
    > supported it, then you'd get the centering.


    I will just have to put all this on the back burner, I have no
    idea how to go now. As someone here once said, one can convince
    oneself of the beauty of doing anything (though really, one does
    it because once cannot figure out a way to to do it better!)

    --
    dorayme
    dorayme, Apr 6, 2007
    #7
  8. dorayme wrote:

    > Nah, no good I am afraid. Yes, it is trying, but the effect is so
    > marginal as to count for a fail on this particular size
    > thumbnail. (I will leave you to ponder defences for WinIE, I feel
    > more merciless towards it).


    Well this shows why IE is whacked:

    http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/alt.html.20070406.png
    alt.html.20070406.png (PNG Image, 719x442 pixels)

    IE's value for bodyElement's offsetWidth *includes* the window's
    scrollbar, part of the browser chrome! Whereas other browsers, here
    Seamonkey, do not. So where 6 thumbs should fit IE can on fit 5, hence
    the error.

    Either have to fork for IE to subtract width of scrollbar width in the
    calculation , not good because maybe MS will change this and also what
    if you only have a handful of thumbs and no scrollbar?

    Or look for another way to calculate the number of thumbs in a row...

    Or, my vote, screw'em! They are using IE they deserve it! :-D

    >
    > Anyway, pity... The point of bothering with this sort of thing is
    > to provide for the majority in this centering. I will try to
    > tweak by using sizes that I often do use, namely, 200x150 for
    > landscape, 150x200 for portrait... maybe IE will do better with
    > different figures.


    You could go with it and at least folks will decent browsers will get
    the benefit. It is not like it destroys the page!


    > Just one q, is IE 7 any better than 6 on this score? In other
    > words, does IE 7 center the mass of thumbnails as good as in FF
    > or as weakly as in IE6?


    Who knows? I already have discovered IE7 has its own *unique*
    bugs...eeewwoooo the MS-Zone....

    I'll fool with this a bit and see if there is a workaround for IE

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
    Jonathan N. Little, Apr 7, 2007
    #8
  9. Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    > dorayme wrote:
    >
    >> Nah, no good I am afraid. Yes, it is trying, but the effect is so
    >> marginal as to count for a fail on this particular size thumbnail. (I
    >> will leave you to ponder defences for WinIE, I feel more merciless
    >> towards it).

    >
    > Well this shows why IE is whacked:
    >
    > http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/alt.html.20070406.png
    > alt.html.20070406.png (PNG Image, 719x442 pixels)
    >
    > IE's value for bodyElement's offsetWidth *includes* the window's
    > scrollbar, part of the browser chrome! Whereas other browsers, here
    > Seamonkey, do not. So where 6 thumbs should fit IE can on fit 5, hence
    > the error.


    Okay in IE the clientWidth is the BODY - the scrollBar wide so the value
    to calculate from is now constant with other browsers! So revised
    function

    function centerMe(){
    var clientWidth=document.documentElement.clientWidth;
    //thumb + border + margin
    var thumb=100 + 2 + 4;
    //number of thumbails across that will fit
    var count=parseInt(clientWidth/thumb);
    //width for wrapper
    var width=count * thumb;
    //left margin calculated
    var left=parseInt((clientWidth-width)/2);
    //grab the wrapper DIV
    var wrap=document.getElementById('wrapper');
    //style it
    wrap.style.width=width + "px";
    wrap.style.marginLeft=left + "px";
    }

    Great! But guess what? Even though there is room IE always puts 1 less
    thumb across! Bugger! IE does not do floats...

    Now if you do browser sniffing and insure you got IE and not Opera
    (which can to this all correctly I must add) you could add 1/2 the thumb
    width allotment to balance the margin...

    function centerMe(){
    var clientWidth=document.documentElement.clientWidth;
    //thumb + border + margin
    var thumb=100 + 2 + 4;
    //number of thumbails across that will fit
    var count=parseInt(clientWidth/thumb);
    //width for wrapper
    var width=count * thumb;
    //left margin calculated
    var left=parseInt((clientWidth-width)/2);

    //Use so sort of browser sniffer to IS a IE only!
    if( IsIE ) left+=(thumb/2); //add 1/2 thumb for IE only

    //grab the wrapper DIV
    var wrap=document.getElementById('wrapper');
    //style it
    wrap.style.width=width + "px";
    wrap.style.marginLeft=left + "px";
    }

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
    Jonathan N. Little, Apr 7, 2007
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  10. dorayme

    BootNic Guest

    > dorayme <> wrote:
    > news:
    > I assume there is simply no good way to centre the mass of
    > rectangles (shrink fit a wrapper and centre wrapper, left/right)
    > here:
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/ypnfc8
    >
    > ?
    >
    > If this is so, since they are reasonably fine uncentered anyway,
    > a URL to suitable javascript "solution" would be appreciated - if
    > there be such.


    Position:relative;float:left; extra div, Centered with Javascript.

    http://home.earthlink.net/~bootnic/JavascriptCenterFloat.html

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    BootNic Friday, April 06, 2007 9:12 PM

    I had a monumental idea this morning, but I didn't like it.
    *Samuel Goldwyn*
    BootNic, Apr 7, 2007
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  11. dorayme

    dorayme Guest

    In article <5ecc9$4616e1f8$40cba7b3$>,
    "Jonathan N. Little" <> wrote:

    > dorayme wrote:
    >
    > > Nah, no good I am afraid. Yes, it is trying, but the effect is so
    > > marginal as to count for a fail on this particular size
    > > thumbnail.



    > IE's value for bodyElement's offsetWidth *includes* the window's
    > scrollbar, part of the browser chrome! Whereas other browsers, here
    > Seamonkey, do not. So where 6 thumbs should fit IE can on fit 5, hence
    > the error.
    >


    Ah, I see, that is interesting.

    >
    > You could go with it and at least folks will decent browsers will get
    > the benefit. It is not like it destroys the page!
    >


    Of course.

    >
    > > Just one q, is IE 7 any better than 6 on this score? In other
    > > words, does IE 7 center the mass of thumbnails as good as in FF
    > > or as weakly as in IE6?

    >
    > Who knows?


    Those with IE7 of course!

    >
    > I'll fool with this a bit and see if there is a workaround for IE


    I will be all ... er.... antenae.

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    dorayme
    dorayme, Apr 7, 2007
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  12. dorayme

    dorayme Guest

    In article <1c82a$4616ec54$40cba7b3$>,
    "Jonathan N. Little" <> wrote:

    > Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    > > dorayme wrote:
    > >
    > >> Nah, no good I am afraid. Yes, it is trying, but the effect is so
    > >> marginal as to count for a fail on this particular size thumbnail. (I


    > Okay in IE the clientWidth is the BODY - the scrollBar wide so the value
    > to calculate from is now constant with other browsers! So revised
    > function
    >
    > function centerMe(){
    > var clientWidth=document.documentElement.clientWidth;


    >
    > Great! But guess what? Even though there is room IE always puts 1 less
    > thumb across! Bugger! IE does not do floats...
    >
    > Now if you do browser sniffing and insure you got IE and not Opera
    > (which can to this all correctly I must add) you could add 1/2 the thumb
    > width allotment to balance the margin...
    >
    > function centerMe(){
    > var clientWidth=document.documentElement.clientWidth;

    ....
    > //Use so sort of browser sniffer to IS a IE only!
    > if( IsIE ) left+=(thumb/2); //add 1/2 thumb for IE only
    >
    > //grab the wrapper DIV
    > var wrap=document.getElementById('wrapper');
    > //style it
    > wrap.style.width=width + "px";
    > wrap.style.marginLeft=left + "px";
    > }


    Both these new functions now ruin the effect entirely in Safari!
    Your first stab, 2 posts back, was good for many non IE.

    It is a reasonable thing to want, to be able to wrap thumbnails
    and to centre the mass of them with or without big left and right
    margin. Pity it is so hard!

    --
    dorayme
    dorayme, Apr 7, 2007
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  13. dorayme

    dorayme Guest

    In article
    <3eCRh.135101$>,
    "BootNic" <> wrote:

    > > dorayme <> wrote:
    > > news:
    > > I assume there is simply no good way to centre the mass of
    > > rectangles (shrink fit a wrapper and centre wrapper, left/right)
    > > here:
    > >
    > > http://tinyurl.com/ypnfc8
    > >
    > > ?
    > >
    > > If this is so, since they are reasonably fine uncentered anyway,
    > > a URL to suitable javascript "solution" would be appreciated - if
    > > there be such.

    >
    > Position:relative;float:left; extra div, Centered with Javascript.
    >
    > > http://home.earthlink.net/~bootnic/JavascriptCenterFloat.html >



    This is not centering the mass of thumbnails in Safari:

    <http://members.optushome.com.au/droovies/pics/inSafari.png>

    In FF it works well.

    In iCab it half works. (It plays silly buggers at some window
    widths).

    --
    dorayme
    dorayme, Apr 7, 2007
    #13
  14. dorayme

    dorayme Guest

    In article
    <3eCRh.135101$>,
    "BootNic" <> wrote:

    > > http://home.earthlink.net/~bootnic/JavascriptCenterFloat.html >


    I can now see it works in IE 6 too. But still not in Safari.
    Perhaps this is a basis to work something out: to talk to IE with
    a conditional, to use something like JLs first javascript fix for
    the rest?

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    dorayme
    dorayme, Apr 7, 2007
    #14
  15. dorayme

    BootNic Guest

    > dorayme <> wrote:
    > news:
    > In article
    > <3eCRh.135101$>,
    > "BootNic" <> wrote:
    >

    [snip]
    >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~bootnic/JavascriptCenterFloat.html >>

    >
    > This is not centering the mass of thumbnails in Safari:
    >
    > <http://members.optushome.com.au/droovies/pics/inSafari.png>
    >
    > In FF it works well.
    >
    > In iCab it half works. (It plays silly buggers at some window
    > widths).


    Another go with a different approach. I don't have access to anything
    that will not run on windows, so give it a go and see what it breaks.

    http://home.earthlink.net/~bootnic/JavascriptCenterFloatII.html

    --
    BootNic Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:58 AM

    Hackers make toys. Crackers break them.
    *Peter Seebach*
    BootNic, Apr 7, 2007
    #15
  16. dorayme

    dorayme Guest

    In article
    <xyFRh.20290$>,
    "BootNic" <> wrote:

    > > dorayme <> wrote:
    > > news:
    > > In article
    > > <3eCRh.135101$>,
    > > "BootNic" <> wrote:
    > >

    > [snip]
    > >> > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~bootnic/JavascriptCenterFloat.html > >>

    > >
    > > This is not centering the mass of thumbnails in Safari:
    > >
    > > <http://members.optushome.com.au/droovies/pics/inSafari.png>
    > >
    > > In FF it works well.
    > >
    > > In iCab it half works. (It plays silly buggers at some window
    > > widths).

    >
    > Another go with a different approach. I don't have access to anything
    > that will not run on windows, so give it a go and see what it breaks.
    >
    > > http://home.earthlink.net/~bootnic/JavascriptCenterFloatII.html >


    As before really, it works fast and furiously in FF, I assume it
    works in Windows (I have my Winbox off now). But, I am afraid
    that in Safari, the screenshot I made before pretty well applies
    again.

    --
    dorayme
    dorayme, Apr 7, 2007
    #16
  17. dorayme

    dorayme Guest

    In article
    <xyFRh.20290$>,
    "BootNic" <> wrote:

    > http://home.earthlink.net/~bootnic/JavascriptCenterFloatII.html


    I would have to make you a movie to demo what happens in iCab!
    After loading and the JS kicks in, all the material disappears
    leaving the wrapper border only beautifully visible and centered
    (not that you can get to see the top _and_ bottom borders
    together in a screenfull)

    --
    dorayme
    dorayme, Apr 7, 2007
    #17
  18. dorayme

    BootNic Guest

    > dorayme <> wrote:
    > news:
    > In article
    > <xyFRh.20290$>,
    > "BootNic" <> wrote:
    >
    >> http://home.earthlink.net/~bootnic/JavascriptCenterFloatII.html

    >
    > I would have to make you a movie to demo what happens in iCab!
    > After loading and the JS kicks in, all the material disappears
    > leaving the wrapper border only beautifully visible and centered
    > (not that you can get to see the top _and_ bottom borders
    > together in a screenfull)


    Added a display toggle at the end of the function, that use to work on
    some of the older mozilla browsers. I have no clue if it will do anything
    for iCab.

    --
    BootNic Saturday, April 07, 2007 3:53 AM

    "So tell me, just how long have you had this feeling that no one is
    watching you?"
    *Christopher Locke: Entropy Gradient Reversals*
    BootNic, Apr 7, 2007
    #18
  19. dorayme

    dorayme Guest

    In article
    <_6IRh.19115$>,
    "BootNic" <> wrote:

    > > dorayme <> wrote:
    > > news:
    > > In article
    > > <xyFRh.20290$>,
    > > "BootNic" <> wrote:
    > >
    > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~bootnic/JavascriptCenterFloatII.html

    > >


    > Added a display toggle at the end of the function, that use to work on
    > some of the older mozilla browsers. I have no clue if it will do anything
    > for iCab.


    Still no go in Safari.

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    dorayme
    dorayme, Apr 7, 2007
    #19
  20. BootNic wrote:
    >> dorayme <> wrote:
    >> news:
    >> In article
    >> <3eCRh.135101$>,
    >> "BootNic" <> wrote:
    >>

    > [snip]
    >>> >>> http://home.earthlink.net/~bootnic/JavascriptCenterFloat.html >>>


    Looked nice, seemed to work in IE, but while I was testing scaling the
    window did hang IE on my Win2K box... Not sure what happened.

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
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