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  1. richard

    richard Guest

    richard, Aug 7, 2008
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  2. richard

    Nico Schuyt Guest

    richard wrote:
    > http://oldies.1littleworld.com/


    The design is not so attractive (to say it mildly :)

    Remarks:
    - Change the document type to 'Strict'.
    - The counter at the bottom shouldn't change when I refresh the page
    - The <meta name="keywords" is useless
    - <center><h2>The ultimate oldies list!</h2></center> should be
    <h2>The ultimate oldies list!</h2>
    and in CSS: h2 {text-align: center}
    - The <table border=1 cellspacing=0> can be replaced by CSS:
    table {border-collapse: collapse}
    td {border: 2px solid blue}
    - The top row should have th instead of td
    - Use a paragraph or margins (in CSS) instead of <br><br><br>

    Good luck!

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    Nico
    Nico Schuyt, Aug 7, 2008
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  3. richard

    richard Guest

    On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:13:00 +0200, "Nico Schuyt"
    <nschuyt(AT)gmail(DOT)com> wrote:

    >richard wrote:
    >> http://oldies.1littleworld.com/

    >
    >The design is not so attractive (to say it mildly :)
    >
    >Remarks:
    >- Change the document type to 'Strict'.
    >- The counter at the bottom shouldn't change when I refresh the page
    >- The <meta name="keywords" is useless
    >- <center><h2>The ultimate oldies list!</h2></center> should be
    > <h2>The ultimate oldies list!</h2>
    > and in CSS: h2 {text-align: center}
    >- The <table border=1 cellspacing=0> can be replaced by CSS:
    > table {border-collapse: collapse}
    > td {border: 2px solid blue}
    >- The top row should have th instead of td
    >- Use a paragraph or margins (in CSS) instead of <br><br><br>
    >
    >Good luck!



    I'm not putting up the information to win a beauty contest.

    The use of a <p> has it's place. As <p> formats an area of text where
    a simple line break does not. When I want to present formatted text, I
    will use a <p>. I will not get into a long winded conversation over
    this issue as it has been discussed to death many times.

    Furthermore, I intend on including more information and just wanted to
    see how this style would work.
    richard, Aug 7, 2008
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  4. richard

    Nico Schuyt Guest

    richard wrote:
    > Nico Schuyt wrote:
    >> richard wrote:
    >>> http://oldies.1littleworld.com/


    >> The design is not so attractive (to say it mildly :)
    >> Remarks:
    >> - Change the document type to 'Strict'.
    >> - The counter at the bottom shouldn't change when I refresh the page
    >> - The <meta name="keywords" is useless
    >> - <center><h2>The ultimate oldies list!</h2></center> should be
    >> <h2>The ultimate oldies list!</h2>
    >> and in CSS: h2 {text-align: center}
    >> - The <table border=1 cellspacing=0> can be replaced by CSS:
    >> table {border-collapse: collapse}
    >> td {border: 2px solid blue}
    >> - The top row should have th instead of td
    >> - Use a paragraph or margins (in CSS) instead of <br><br><br>


    > I'm not putting up the information to win a beauty contest.


    Problem of the present layout is that the black text on red is hard to read.

    > The use of a <p> has it's place. As <p> formats an area of text where
    > a simple line break does not. When I want to present formatted text, I
    > will use a <p>. I will not get into a long winded conversation over
    > this issue as it has been discussed to death many times.


    I mentioned margins as alternative:
    div.atab {margin-bottom: 5em} (or something like that) will do

    > Furthermore, I intend on including more information and just wanted to
    > see how this style would work.


    You ignore my other remarks.

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    Nico Schuyt, Aug 7, 2008
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  5. richard

    richard Guest

    richard, Aug 7, 2008
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  6. richard

    Nico Schuyt Guest

    richard wrote:
    >> http://oldies.1littleworld.com/

    > Changed it again.


    Still no document type "Strict" and no th's. Why?

    Why the iframe? If it's only for the picture, you can replace:
    <div class="xfrm"> <iframe src="SummerPlace.jpg"
    name="charts">x</iframe></div>
    with something like
    <img src="SummerPlace.jpg" style="float: left; margin-left: 20px;
    margin-top: 100px">

    The "<br><br><br>" are now in <div class="ftr"> :)
    Remove them and ad a margin or padding to the ftr-div

    What is your intention with the nested link: <a href="SummerPlace.jpg"
    target="charts"><a href="index.html">HOME</a></a> ??

    Do you need the <div class="atab">? Remove it and the horizontal scroll bar
    (1024x728) will disappear.

    The "Information on this site was .." should be a paragraph.

    --
    Nico
    Nico Schuyt, Aug 7, 2008
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  7. On 2008-08-07, richard wrote:
    > On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:55:05 -0700, richard <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>http://oldies.1littleworld.com/

    >
    >
    > Changed it again.


    Why is there so much empty space that it causes a horizontal
    scroll bar?

    <http://cfaj.freeshell.org/testing/littleworld.jpg>

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    Chris F.A. Johnson, Aug 7, 2008
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  8. On 2008-08-08, richard wrote:
    > On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:22:58 +0000, "Chris F.A. Johnson"
    ><> wrote:
    >
    >>On 2008-08-07, richard wrote:
    >>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:55:05 -0700, richard <>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>http://oldies.1littleworld.com/
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Changed it again.

    >>
    >> Why is there so much empty space that it causes a horizontal
    >> scroll bar?
    >>
    >> <http://cfaj.freeshell.org/testing/littleworld.jpg>

    >
    > probably due to your screen resolution.
    > I have it set for 1024x768 which seems to be the most popular size.


    Mine is 1152px wide.

    Why do you set it for any fixed width?

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    Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster <http://Woodbine-Gerrard.com>
    ===================================================================
    Author:
    Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
    Chris F.A. Johnson, Aug 8, 2008
    #8
  9. richard

    richard Guest

    On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:22:58 +0000, "Chris F.A. Johnson"
    <> wrote:

    >On 2008-08-07, richard wrote:
    >> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:55:05 -0700, richard <>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>http://oldies.1littleworld.com/

    >>
    >>
    >> Changed it again.

    >
    > Why is there so much empty space that it causes a horizontal
    > scroll bar?
    >
    > <http://cfaj.freeshell.org/testing/littleworld.jpg>


    probably due to your screen resolution.
    I have it set for 1024x768 which seems to be the most popular size.
    richard, Aug 8, 2008
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  10. richard

    richard Guest

    On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:32:42 +0200, "Nico Schuyt"
    <nschuyt(AT)gmail(DOT)com> wrote:

    >richard wrote:
    >>> http://oldies.1littleworld.com/

    >> Changed it again.

    >
    >Still no document type "Strict" and no th's. Why?
    >


    So sue me.


    >Why the iframe? If it's only for the picture, you can replace:
    > <div class="xfrm"> <iframe src="SummerPlace.jpg"
    >name="charts">x</iframe></div>
    >with something like
    > <img src="SummerPlace.jpg" style="float: left; margin-left: 20px;
    >margin-top: 100px">
    >


    Didn't bother to click on a link did ya?


    >The "<br><br><br>" are now in <div class="ftr"> :)
    >Remove them and ad a margin or padding to the ftr-div
    >
    >What is your intention with the nested link: <a href="SummerPlace.jpg"
    >target="charts"><a href="index.html">HOME</a></a> ??


    To help make sure that the original index.html is presented as you saw
    it originally.
    >
    >Do you need the <div class="atab">? Remove it and the horizontal scroll bar
    >(1024x728) will disappear.


    Yes I do. If you don't understand why, try it out yourself and learn.


    >
    >The "Information on this site was .." should be a paragraph.



    Now kindly just shut the f..k up ok?
    richard, Aug 8, 2008
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  11. richard

    richard Guest

    On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:22:12 +0000, "Chris F.A. Johnson"
    <> wrote:

    >On 2008-08-08, richard wrote:
    >> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:22:58 +0000, "Chris F.A. Johnson"
    >><> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On 2008-08-07, richard wrote:
    >>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:55:05 -0700, richard <>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>http://oldies.1littleworld.com/
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Changed it again.
    >>>
    >>> Why is there so much empty space that it causes a horizontal
    >>> scroll bar?
    >>>
    >>> <http://cfaj.freeshell.org/testing/littleworld.jpg>

    >>
    >> probably due to your screen resolution.
    >> I have it set for 1024x768 which seems to be the most popular size.

    >
    > Mine is 1152px wide.
    >
    > Why do you set it for any fixed width?


    Then you have your text size set to extra large.
    With Tahoma 10 pt I get a max width of the container div about 60% of
    the screen width. 14pt shows about 90%.
    richard, Aug 8, 2008
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  12. On 2008-08-08, richard wrote:
    > On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:22:12 +0000, "Chris F.A. Johnson"
    ><> wrote:
    >
    >>On 2008-08-08, richard wrote:
    >>> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:22:58 +0000, "Chris F.A. Johnson"
    >>><> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>On 2008-08-07, richard wrote:
    >>>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:55:05 -0700, richard <>
    >>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>http://oldies.1littleworld.com/
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Changed it again.
    >>>>
    >>>> Why is there so much empty space that it causes a horizontal
    >>>> scroll bar?
    >>>>
    >>>> <http://cfaj.freeshell.org/testing/littleworld.jpg>
    >>>
    >>> probably due to your screen resolution.
    >>> I have it set for 1024x768 which seems to be the most popular size.

    >>
    >> Mine is 1152px wide.

    >
    > Then you have your text size set to extra large.


    I have it set so that I can read it.

    > With Tahoma 10 pt I get a max width of the container div about 60% of
    > the screen width. 14pt shows about 90%.


    Are you designing your page for yourself or for other people (whose
    settings you cannot know)?

    >> Why do you set it for any fixed width?


    If you do not set the width, the page will work for everyone.

    --
    Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster <http://Woodbine-Gerrard.com>
    ===================================================================
    Author:
    Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
    Chris F.A. Johnson, Aug 8, 2008
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  13. richard

    richard Guest

    Then, kind sir, please explain exactly how it is that an iframe works
    without a defined width.
    The properties of an iframe give it a natural default width, as well
    as height. Overflow:auto is not an option.

    I have been dilligently experimenting with various combinations of
    things to see what works and doesn't. As Thomas Edison once said, "I
    have not failed, I have found 10,000 ways that do not work".
    richard, Aug 8, 2008
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  14. On 2008-08-08, richard wrote:
    >
    > Then, kind sir,


    Are you talking to me or someone else? PLease quote context so we
    have some idea what you are referring to.

    > please explain exactly how it is that an iframe works
    > without a defined width.


    I have no idea how an iframe works, and from what I have heard
    about them, I don't want to. I suggest you read the archives of
    this group and learn about their serious defects.

    > The properties of an iframe give it a natural default width, as well
    > as height. Overflow:auto is not an option.


    If it has a "natural default width", why not use that and not
    define aything else?

    > I have been dilligently experimenting with various combinations of
    > things to see what works and doesn't. As Thomas Edison once said, "I
    > have not failed, I have found 10,000 ways that do not work".


    Most would learn the best way of doing things (at least with HTML
    an CSS) long before they reached 10,000.

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  15. richard wrote:
    > On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:32:42 +0200, "Nico Schuyt"
    > <nschuyt(AT)gmail(DOT)com> wrote:


    >> What is your intention with the nested link: <a href="SummerPlace.jpg"
    >> target="charts"><a href="index.html">HOME</a></a> ??


    Whatever you were "trying" to do, nested A elements are absolutely
    invalid! Was once a ploy of hackers to exploit bugs in browsers until
    patched in modern browsers.

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    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
    Jonathan N. Little, Aug 8, 2008
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  16. richard

    richard Guest

    On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:39:02 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little"
    <> wrote:

    >richard wrote:
    >> On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:32:42 +0200, "Nico Schuyt"
    >> <nschuyt(AT)gmail(DOT)com> wrote:

    >
    >>> What is your intention with the nested link: <a href="SummerPlace.jpg"
    >>> target="charts"><a href="index.html">HOME</a></a> ??

    >
    >Whatever you were "trying" to do, nested A elements are absolutely
    >invalid! Was once a ploy of hackers to exploit bugs in browsers until
    >patched in modern browsers.


    Oh really? Well the online validator has no problem with it and
    neither does FF2 or IE7.

    Do you have a valid way of achieving the same thing? So that what I
    want to appear in the iframe home page is the same thing you saw on
    entry.
    richard, Aug 9, 2008
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  17. richard

    Bergamot Guest

    richard wrote:
    > On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:39:02 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little"
    > <> wrote:
    >>richard wrote:
    >>
    >>>> <a href="SummerPlace.jpg"
    >>>> target="charts"><a href="index.html">HOME</a></a>

    >>
    >>Whatever you were "trying" to do, nested A elements are absolutely
    >>invalid!

    >
    > Oh really? Well the online validator has no problem with it


    We must be using different validators. You couldn't possibly have used
    the W3C validation service and gotten that code to pass.

    --
    Berg
    Bergamot, Aug 9, 2008
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  18. richard

    Chaddy2222 Guest

    On Aug 9, 1:51 pm, Bergamot <> wrote:
    > richard wrote:
    > > On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:39:02 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little"
    > > <> wrote:
    > >>richard wrote:

    >
    > >>>> <a href="SummerPlace.jpg"
    > >>>> target="charts"><a href="index.html">HOME</a></a>

    >
    > >>Whatever you were "trying" to do, nested A elements are absolutely
    > >>invalid!

    >
    > > Oh really? Well the online validator has no problem with it

    >
    > We must be using different validators. You couldn't possibly have used
    > the W3C validation service and gotten that code to pass.
    >

    And all that came from a guy who thought my new site design was bad!
    I do remember a saying that goes something like, don't throw stones if
    you live in a glass house or something along those lines.
    --
    Regards Chad. http://freewebdesignonline.org
    Chaddy2222, Aug 9, 2008
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  19. richard wrote:
    > On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:39:02 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >> richard wrote:
    >>> On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:32:42 +0200, "Nico Schuyt"
    >>> <nschuyt(AT)gmail(DOT)com> wrote:
    >>>> What is your intention with the nested link: <a href="SummerPlace.jpg"
    >>>> target="charts"><a href="index.html">HOME</a></a> ??

    >> Whatever you were "trying" to do, nested A elements are absolutely
    >> invalid! Was once a ploy of hackers to exploit bugs in browsers until
    >> patched in modern browsers.

    >
    > Oh really? Well the online validator has no problem with it and
    > neither does FF2 or IE7.


    Really? There are limits to being a code monkey, how about the spec...

    http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/links.html#h-12.2.2
    Links in HTML documents

    >
    > Do you have a valid way of achieving the same thing? So that what I
    > want to appear in the iframe home page is the same thing you saw on
    > entry.


    Style not sure what your are attempting, maybe a flawed attempt to
    synchronize frames?

    --
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    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
    Jonathan N. Little, Aug 9, 2008
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