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Nico Schuyt

richard said:

The design is not so attractive (to say it mildly :)

Remarks:
- Change the document type to 'Strict'.
- The counter at the bottom shouldn't change when I refresh the page
- The <meta name="keywords" is useless
- <center><h2>The ultimate oldies list!</h2></center> should be
<h2>The ultimate oldies list!</h2>
and in CSS: h2 {text-align: center}
- The <table border=1 cellspacing=0> can be replaced by CSS:
table {border-collapse: collapse}
td {border: 2px solid blue}
- The top row should have th instead of td
- Use a paragraph or margins (in CSS) instead of <br><br><br>

Good luck!
 
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richard

The design is not so attractive (to say it mildly :)

Remarks:
- Change the document type to 'Strict'.
- The counter at the bottom shouldn't change when I refresh the page
- The <meta name="keywords" is useless
- <center><h2>The ultimate oldies list!</h2></center> should be
<h2>The ultimate oldies list!</h2>
and in CSS: h2 {text-align: center}
- The <table border=1 cellspacing=0> can be replaced by CSS:
table {border-collapse: collapse}
td {border: 2px solid blue}
- The top row should have th instead of td
- Use a paragraph or margins (in CSS) instead of <br><br><br>

Good luck!


I'm not putting up the information to win a beauty contest.

The use of a <p> has it's place. As <p> formats an area of text where
a simple line break does not. When I want to present formatted text, I
will use a <p>. I will not get into a long winded conversation over
this issue as it has been discussed to death many times.

Furthermore, I intend on including more information and just wanted to
see how this style would work.
 
N

Nico Schuyt

I'm not putting up the information to win a beauty contest.

Problem of the present layout is that the black text on red is hard to read.
The use of a <p> has it's place. As <p> formats an area of text where
a simple line break does not. When I want to present formatted text, I
will use a <p>. I will not get into a long winded conversation over
this issue as it has been discussed to death many times.

I mentioned margins as alternative:
div.atab {margin-bottom: 5em} (or something like that) will do
Furthermore, I intend on including more information and just wanted to
see how this style would work.

You ignore my other remarks.
 
N

Nico Schuyt

richard said:
Changed it again.

Still no document type "Strict" and no th's. Why?

Why the iframe? If it's only for the picture, you can replace:
<div class="xfrm"> <iframe src="SummerPlace.jpg"
name="charts">x</iframe></div>
with something like
<img src="SummerPlace.jpg" style="float: left; margin-left: 20px;
margin-top: 100px">

The "<br><br><br>" are now in <div class="ftr"> :)
Remove them and ad a margin or padding to the ftr-div

What is your intention with the nested link: <a href="SummerPlace.jpg"
target="charts"><a href="index.html">HOME</a></a> ??

Do you need the <div class="atab">? Remove it and the horizontal scroll bar
(1024x728) will disappear.

The "Information on this site was .." should be a paragraph.
 
C

Chris F.A. Johnson

probably due to your screen resolution.
I have it set for 1024x768 which seems to be the most popular size.

Mine is 1152px wide.

Why do you set it for any fixed width?
 
R

richard

Still no document type "Strict" and no th's. Why?

So sue me.

Why the iframe? If it's only for the picture, you can replace:
<div class="xfrm"> <iframe src="SummerPlace.jpg"
name="charts">x</iframe></div>
with something like
<img src="SummerPlace.jpg" style="float: left; margin-left: 20px;
margin-top: 100px">

Didn't bother to click on a link did ya?

The "<br><br><br>" are now in <div class="ftr"> :)
Remove them and ad a margin or padding to the ftr-div

What is your intention with the nested link: <a href="SummerPlace.jpg"
target="charts"><a href="index.html">HOME</a></a> ??

To help make sure that the original index.html is presented as you saw
it originally.
Do you need the <div class="atab">? Remove it and the horizontal scroll bar
(1024x728) will disappear.

Yes I do. If you don't understand why, try it out yourself and learn.

The "Information on this site was .." should be a paragraph.


Now kindly just shut the f..k up ok?
 
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richard

Mine is 1152px wide.

Why do you set it for any fixed width?

Then you have your text size set to extra large.
With Tahoma 10 pt I get a max width of the container div about 60% of
the screen width. 14pt shows about 90%.
 
C

Chris F.A. Johnson

Then you have your text size set to extra large.

I have it set so that I can read it.
With Tahoma 10 pt I get a max width of the container div about 60% of
the screen width. 14pt shows about 90%.

Are you designing your page for yourself or for other people (whose
settings you cannot know)?

If you do not set the width, the page will work for everyone.
 
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richard

Then, kind sir, please explain exactly how it is that an iframe works
without a defined width.
The properties of an iframe give it a natural default width, as well
as height. Overflow:auto is not an option.

I have been dilligently experimenting with various combinations of
things to see what works and doesn't. As Thomas Edison once said, "I
have not failed, I have found 10,000 ways that do not work".
 
C

Chris F.A. Johnson

Then, kind sir,

Are you talking to me or someone else? PLease quote context so we
have some idea what you are referring to.
please explain exactly how it is that an iframe works
without a defined width.

I have no idea how an iframe works, and from what I have heard
about them, I don't want to. I suggest you read the archives of
this group and learn about their serious defects.
The properties of an iframe give it a natural default width, as well
as height. Overflow:auto is not an option.

If it has a "natural default width", why not use that and not
define aything else?
I have been dilligently experimenting with various combinations of
things to see what works and doesn't. As Thomas Edison once said, "I
have not failed, I have found 10,000 ways that do not work".

Most would learn the best way of doing things (at least with HTML
an CSS) long before they reached 10,000.
 
J

Jonathan N. Little

Whatever you were "trying" to do, nested A elements are absolutely
invalid! Was once a ploy of hackers to exploit bugs in browsers until
patched in modern browsers.
 
R

richard

Whatever you were "trying" to do, nested A elements are absolutely
invalid! Was once a ploy of hackers to exploit bugs in browsers until
patched in modern browsers.

Oh really? Well the online validator has no problem with it and
neither does FF2 or IE7.

Do you have a valid way of achieving the same thing? So that what I
want to appear in the iframe home page is the same thing you saw on
entry.
 
B

Bergamot

richard said:
Oh really? Well the online validator has no problem with it

We must be using different validators. You couldn't possibly have used
the W3C validation service and gotten that code to pass.
 
C

Chaddy2222

We must be using different validators. You couldn't possibly have used
the W3C validation service and gotten that code to pass.
And all that came from a guy who thought my new site design was bad!
I do remember a saying that goes something like, don't throw stones if
you live in a glass house or something along those lines.
 
J

Jonathan N. Little

richard said:
Oh really? Well the online validator has no problem with it and
neither does FF2 or IE7.

Really? There are limits to being a code monkey, how about the spec...

http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/links.html#h-12.2.2
Links in HTML documents
Do you have a valid way of achieving the same thing? So that what I
want to appear in the iframe home page is the same thing you saw on
entry.

Style not sure what your are attempting, maybe a flawed attempt to
synchronize frames?
 

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