clarification on comment

[bbxrider]

i would apologize based on your request because i appreciate your thoughtful
and helpful replies
and that engenders my respect for your opinions as well
perhaps i should have stated my dilema that 'it seems to work from the
testing i have done', instead of 'i know it works'
because i did test the code as best i thought and am confused by the
results, i always try to find answers first from my manuals and
then google
as far as coding and testing i think we all come to understand how it works
from both its stated functionality
in documentation and actual testing, i'm new to perl but there are other
languages that i programmed in
for years and still am learing subtle things about even the most common
syntax, functions etc., the point being
we are not perfect, sometimes there is more than we think we know, and
sometimes we seek the help of
others when at a dead end
but thats why i post questions in a forum such as this, obviously if i
understood the code i wouldn't be
asking the question!
i can't know the exact motivation of tintin's comments and if i
misintrepeted, i regret that.
the extent and tone of his reply, solely as written, seems to be questioning
my right to even ask the question
it has a sarcastic tone and it seems to be scolding or demeaning, if thats
all somebody has to say without
any hint of 'maybe you should try this or read this, etc' then i can only
assume they have not other motivation
other than negativity.

From: "Gunnar Hjalmarsson" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: newbie regular expression questions
Date: Sunday, November 23, 2003 5:31 PM

thanks for all the help, except from tintin, if thats your idea of
help please just keep it to yourself, it certainly doesn't do
anybody any good

Tintin's comment was not unhelpful, it was justified, and you really
ought to find it worth considering. IMHO you owe him an apology.

 

[Default]

i would apologize based on your request because i appreciate your thoughtful

and helpful replies
and that engenders my respect for your opinions as well
perhaps i should have stated my dilema that 'it seems to work from the
testing i have done', instead of 'i know it works'
because i did test the code as best i thought and am confused by the
results, i always try to find answers first from my manuals and
then google
as far as coding and testing i think we all come to understand how it works
from both its stated functionality
in documentation and actual testing, i'm new to perl but there are other
languages that i programmed in
for years and still am learing subtle things about even the most common
syntax, functions etc., the point being
we are not perfect, sometimes there is more than we think we know, and
sometimes we seek the help of
others when at a dead end
but thats why i post questions in a forum such as this, obviously if i
understood the code i wouldn't be
asking the question!
i can't know the exact motivation of tintin's comments and if i
misintrepeted, i regret that.
the extent and tone of his reply, solely as written, seems to be questioning
my right to even ask the question
it has a sarcastic tone and it seems to be scolding or demeaning, if thats
all somebody has to say without
any hint of 'maybe you should try this or read this, etc' then i can only
assume they have not other motivation
other than negativity.

From: "Gunnar Hjalmarsson" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: newbie regular expression questions
Date: Sunday, November 23, 2003 5:31 PM


Tintin's comment was not unhelpful, it was justified, and you really
ought to find it worth considering. IMHO you owe him an apology.

nod.. alot of people here seem 'uptight' and way to quick to scold someone.
mabey cause im just using perl for a hobby.. but this group makes perl seem like
'work' at times. if you dont have something nice to say dont say anything at all.

 

[Default]

i would apologize based on your request because i appreciate your thoughtful

nod.. alot of people here seem 'uptight' and way to quick to scold someone.
mabey cause im just using perl for a hobby.. but this group makes perl seem like
'work' at times. if you dont have something nice to say dont say anything at all.

for example:
===========================================

any way i can accomplish this?

Accomplish what?

the initial print never seems to work,
Work?

untill there is another command after the initial print.
(\n <stdin> etc..)

Sorry, don't understand.

Please (re-)read the posting guidelines
http://mail.augustmail.com/~tadmc/clpmisc/clpmisc_guidelines.html
and rewrite your question, following the advice in the guidelines.

 

[Uri Guttman]

D> nod.. alot of people here seem 'uptight' and way to quick to scold
D> someone. mabey cause im just using perl for a hobby.. but this
D> group makes perl seem like 'work' at times. if you dont have
D> something nice to say dont say anything at all.

it IS work for most of us. does that make any sense to you? programming
is a profession that happens to be able to be learned as a hobby. too
bad lawyers and doctors don't have to answer stuff from people who don't
even respect them. do you ask your doctor how to do minor surgery and
expect an answer?

so if you want help, you should respect the group rules (as posted in
the guidelines) and the regulars will be glad to help. if you flout the
rules and expect to be spoon fed you will get what you deserve. most of
the regulars here are professional coders who donate time here because
they love perl. your attitude is disrepectful of what they do. and you
expect all of this and pay nothing as well. go see what redmond will do
for you for that kind of payment.

uri

 

[Default]

D> nod.. alot of people here seem 'uptight' and way to quick to scold
D> someone. mabey cause im just using perl for a hobby.. but this
D> group makes perl seem like 'work' at times. if you dont have
D> something nice to say dont say anything at all.

it IS work for most of us. does that make any sense to you? programming
is a profession that happens to be able to be learned as a hobby. too
bad lawyers and doctors don't have to answer stuff from people who don't
even respect them. do you ask your doctor how to do minor surgery and
expect an answer?

so if you want help, you should respect the group rules (as posted in
the guidelines) and the regulars will be glad to help. if you flout the
rules and expect to be spoon fed you will get what you deserve. most of
the regulars here are professional coders who donate time here because
they love perl. your attitude is disrepectful of what they do. and you
expect all of this and pay nothing as well. go see what redmond will do
for you for that kind of payment.

uri

well im just saying that the attitude of many of the "professional" posters here
is generally not very friendly. its seems they tend to scan posts just looking to
scold, not everyone of course but some certainly do. the very same post that was
used in the example was answered be two other people in the same time it took one
person to complain about the post. why dont some people just leave moderating to
the moderators and not answer a post if they cant be helpfull.

 

[Uri Guttman]

D> well im just saying that the attitude of many of the "professional"
D> posters here is generally not very friendly. its seems they tend
D> to scan posts just looking to scold, not everyone of course but
D> some certainly do. the very same post that was used in the example
D> was answered be two other people in the same time it took one
D> person to complain about the post. why dont some people just leave
D> moderating to the moderators and not answer a post if they cant be
D> helpfull.

you have not been here long enough to make such a comment. and the
classic answer to you is do it yourself if you want a kinder and gentler
channel. the regulars are not nasty in general but some poster are too
selfish and lazy to appreciate the help. and just giving out answers is
not the function of this group. it is about DISCUSSING perl, not solving
problems for anyone who posts. if you ask questions and show code you
will almost always get reasonable responses. it is those who don't
follow the guidelines who complain about it. wonder why that happens.

uri

 

[Tintin]

i can't know the exact motivation of tintin's comments and if i
misintrepeted, i regret that.
the extent and tone of his reply, solely as written, seems to be questioning
my right to even ask the question
it has a sarcastic tone and it seems to be scolding or demeaning, if thats
all somebody has to say without
any hint of 'maybe you should try this or read this, etc' then i can only
assume they have not other motivation
other than negativity.

The purpose of my comment is that I wouldn't like to claim a piece of code I
found (that isn't peer reviewed) works without fully understanding how it
works.

The reason for this is that unless you provide a wide range of test data to
see if there are any flaws in the code, it's a little difficult to tell how
well it works.

I can't for the life of me comprehend how you managed to take offense at
that and interpret it as scolding, demeaning and sarcastic.

 

[Eric J. Roode]

Default@IO_Error_1011101.xyz wrote in

for example:
===========================================


Accomplish what?


Sorry, don't understand.

Please (re-)read the posting guidelines
http://mail.augustmail.com/~tadmc/clpmisc/clpmisc_guidelines.html
and rewrite your question, following the advice in the guidelines.

And you percieved this as nasty and arrogant, somehow?

 

[bbxrider]

ok lets close this book, thanks for clarifying tintin, i guess this is what
what i was wondering about your
comment, so i do owe you an apology
and by the way i do understand the code much better now, again i thank
everybody for their help, this
works for me
and also did some more testing of that original code after reading the info
from gunnar:

use URI::Escape;
$safe = uri_escape("10% is -%20- enough\n");
$str = uri_unescape($safe);
print "raw result of 10%.... is $safe<br>";
print "result of 10% is enough... after uri_unescape is $str<br>";
$safe=~ s/%([0-9A-Fa-f]{2})/chr(hex($1))/ge ;
print "result of 10% is enough... after regular expression is $safe";

the results printed on a web page were:
raw result of 10%.... is 10%25%20is%20-%2520-%20enough%0A
result of 10% is enough... after uri_unescape is 10% is -%20- enough
result of 10% is enough... after regular expression is 10% is -%20- enough

the results of using uri_unescape seem to be the same as the RE, at least
with this particular string
so that gives me more confidence about the validity of the code
however, i must admit as well, that especially with regular exrpessions, i
will probably be wondering
if it really will always work for a quite a while