From: "windandwaves said:
dorayme wrote:
Thank you so much for your comments, much appreciated. I am stoked.
To be honest with you, making it compatible in all these browsers drives me
mental - even when pages validate (using strict) with
W3. Whenever I use float commands in the stylesheets then there is definitely
trouble. So I go back to tables (ugly design), which
makes it slightly better, but there are still places where it aint working.
For example, in strict HTML you are not allowed to align
a table in the centre. So I use the stylesheet, which basically causes the
error you list above. The good news is that there will
be very few people using Mozilla 1.3 on a Mac. I will check it out thought
You have errors in your html code, missing </a> in line 17:
<TD><A HREF="friars.php?PHPSESSID=20729430e8de123bb58829a164d82228"><IMG
SRC="o/logo.gif" ALT="Friars Guide to New Zealand Accommodation for the
discerning traveller" TITLE="Friars Guide to New Zealand Accommodation for
the discerning traveller" ID="log">***************</TD>
I'm unaware you can't centrally align tables (width-wise). When I do use
tables I get down and dirty while at it with a quick look up and down the
street and use <table align="center" ...>, I use css for finer control of
borders and colours. You must be careful with all your absolute controls, in
the HTML 4.01 specs it says things like "If a table or given column has a
fixed width, cellspacing and cellpadding may demand more space than
assigned. User agents may give these attributes precedence over the width
attribute when a conflict occurs, but are not required to." Why buy trouble?
Well, I cannot study your code and css too closely for now, but I would not
set the bbb table css so rigidly, certainly not the width at 733. Frankly,
whenever I use tables, it is out of frustration at failing to get the result
I want with what is becoming more of an ideal these days: simple html with
mainly divs and lists, and css to box these bare and sparsely elegant things
into shape! There being nothing sparely lovely about the css though!
Notwithstanding the admirable cleverness of the creators and I do mean this
as a compliment). It seems to me, you are suffering the worse of both
worlds. Tables are clever enough themselves and need not so much
constraining in such details. Best to not set absolute widths for the table
or tds (% fine often). Then, given an appropriate design, it will be good
for any screen or browser size.
Good, yes, we like it small and because all the fonts are set as em, users can
resize them anyway they want.
OK, but are you sure that *most* people would like it so small (esp the menu
on left). I have my screens at relatively large resolutions, I bet people
with more pixels and finer would see your fonts especially small. The world
has gone a bit mad in this respect. Almost no one uses normal font size
anymore. Even I held out for a long time and now give in often to the desire
for smaller than "normal" (which means simply "as browser default" which is
usually set at a default and to me rather big 16pt, sensibly as it were,
because most web designers make such small fonts! If they did not, the
defaults would come down out of the factory, which most people do not much
change).
Good point.
Because we want to keep some control over the look. For the vast majority of
the users, it will look fine. Most geeks on here have
huge size monitors, but most "normal" people have "normal" screens.
OK, you want to keep control and minister to average screens... Lets say a
15" I run many screens at once and while your site fits on my 15", it only
just squeezes in and to make it so no sideways scrolling is needed i adjust
a bit. One has to scroll down anyway. I say let go and let the content
determine the width and height. But anyway, as I said, it does look nice and
good luck to you...
Simply that when a bit of text say, is jammed up against a visible margin as
all is when I view your right side, I think a bit of breathng space, some
margin or padding looks nicer, that's all. Maybe things are not looking like
the way they look on my screens. I will turn on my PC sometime and take a
look further maybe.
I think that is due to only using em as font-size (rather than, for example
px)
I understand on a PC using px has this effect, not on my Macs mercifully, (I
hate not being able to resize). You are over-modest, it resizes without
playing silly bugger tricks (as so often happens for all sorts of other
reasons). The table, in my opinion, is cleverly helpful in this respect. I
have said before that I use tables myself occasionally for layout of non
tabular material but I am increasingly uncomfortable with tables within
tables ...
dorayme