cost for converting my web site over to CSS and a few other updates?

Discussion in 'HTML' started by RainLovr, Oct 10, 2005.

  1. RainLovr

    RainLovr Guest

    Hey everyone,

    I was curious what you would expect it to cost to convert a basic html
    web site over to style sheets?

    I suppose before THAT, the big question is, is there a REASON to do
    this? I have a lowly web site to show off my art, and am pretty happy
    with with I have as far as its visual design goes.

    Any ideas? Suggestions?

    thanks!

    james, seattle

    www.jameskelseystudios.com
    RainLovr, Oct 10, 2005
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    Stuart Guest

    RainLovr wrote:
    > I suppose before THAT, the big question is, is there a REASON to do
    > this? I have a lowly web site to show off my art, and am pretty happy
    > with with I have as far as its visual design goes.


    There's no reason to switch to CSS for the sake of it. If you're happy
    with it, why change it?
    --
    Stuart Brown <>
    http://www.edesign.cc
    Stuart, Oct 11, 2005
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  3. RainLovr

    RainLover Guest

    On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:29:19 GMT, Stuart <> wrote:

    >RainLovr wrote:
    >> I suppose before THAT, the big question is, is there a REASON to do
    >> this? I have a lowly web site to show off my art, and am pretty happy
    >> with with I have as far as its visual design goes.

    >
    >There's no reason to switch to CSS for the sake of it. If you're happy
    >with it, why change it?


    I BARELY know html... as my code would show anyone who looked at it,
    but, I don't know if CSS is 'better' in some way or if it would allow
    a general change across all of my pages if I wanted to do so...
    (Sadly, I'm not even sure how or what 'style sheets' are, only a
    friend suggested I change to them)

    James, Seattle
    RainLover, Oct 11, 2005
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    Neredbojias Guest

    With neither quill nor qualm, RainLovr quothed:

    > Hey everyone,
    >
    > I was curious what you would expect it to cost to convert a basic html
    > web site over to style sheets?
    >
    > I suppose before THAT, the big question is, is there a REASON to do
    > this? I have a lowly web site to show off my art, and am pretty happy
    > with with I have as far as its visual design goes.
    >
    > Any ideas? Suggestions?
    >
    > thanks!
    >
    > james, seattle
    >
    > www.jameskelseystudios.com


    The home page looks pretty good (-the dog is kinda homely, but...) and
    seems to work cross-browser, which many pages don't, so I wouldn't worry
    about it too much. There *are* some mistakes but apparently they are
    non-influential or ignored. I'd try learning css at my own pace, maybe
    add one bit and test, then another, etc., until you develop a feel for
    it. You're also supposed to have a doctype beginning the page, but I
    have a feeling that if you added one now, thus trying to establish
    conformance, the page would mis-render.

    --
    Neredbojias
    Contrary to popular belief, it is believable.
    Neredbojias, Oct 11, 2005
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    Mark Parnell Guest

    In our last episode, RainLover <>
    pronounced to alt.html:

    > I BARELY know html...


    There's never a better time to learn than right now. ;-)
    http://www.w3.org/TR/HTML4/

    > as my code would show anyone who looked at it,
    > but, I don't know if CSS is 'better' in some way or if it would allow
    > a general change across all of my pages if I wanted to do so...


    From a maintenance perspective, yes - it means if you ever want to
    change the colour of something, make a heading bigger, etc., you only
    have to do it in the one CSS file, rather than every HTML file.

    From a theoretical perspective, CSS allows you to separate the
    presentation from the content. HTML describes the structure of the
    content - whether something is a table, a paragraph, a heading, etc. CSS
    tells it how it should be presented - what colours things should be,
    where on the page to display them, etc. This makes the HTML easier to
    read, too.

    > (Sadly, I'm not even sure how or what 'style sheets' are, only a


    http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/

    > friend suggested I change to them)


    You're lucky to have such a good friend. Buy him/her/it a
    beer/rum&coke/water. :)

    --
    Mark Parnell
    http://clarkecomputers.com.au
    alt.html FAQ :: http://html-faq.com/
    Mark Parnell, Oct 11, 2005
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  6. RainLovr

    RainLover Guest

    On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:54:33 -0700, Neredbojias
    <> wrote:

    >With neither quill nor qualm, RainLovr quothed:
    >
    >> Hey everyone,
    >>
    >> I was curious what you would expect it to cost to convert a basic html
    >> web site over to style sheets?
    >>
    >> I suppose before THAT, the big question is, is there a REASON to do
    >> this? I have a lowly web site to show off my art, and am pretty happy
    >> with with I have as far as its visual design goes.
    >>
    >> Any ideas? Suggestions?
    >>
    >> thanks!
    >>
    >> james, seattle
    >>
    >> www.jameskelseystudios.com

    >
    >The home page looks pretty good (-the dog is kinda homely, but...) and
    >seems to work cross-browser, which many pages don't, so I wouldn't worry
    >about it too much. There *are* some mistakes but apparently they are
    >non-influential or ignored. I'd try learning css at my own pace, maybe
    >add one bit and test, then another, etc., until you develop a feel for
    >it. You're also supposed to have a doctype beginning the page, but I
    >have a feeling that if you added one now, thus trying to establish
    >conformance, the page would mis-render.


    Thanks for the feedback. I know there are weird mistakes throughout
    my site, but, as you said... hey, it works....

    Something's drive me crazy about it, but most people don't notice a
    few glitches in formating consistancy from page to page.

    James, Seattle
    RainLover, Oct 11, 2005
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    Andy Dingley Guest

    RainLovr wrote:

    > I was curious what you would expect it to cost to convert a basic html
    > web site over to style sheets?


    The cost should be zero or negative. If you're re-designing anyway,
    then it's the cheaper way of doing it. If it already works, then leave
    it alone and save the money / effort.

    For reworking a site like yours, then the main cost would be in
    replacing the frames for navigation. The HTML you already have is
    pretty clean and tidy, so the "extra cost of CSS" would be pretty
    minimal. A few days of whatever web geeks cost locally.

    The cost (as with any design) could vary hugely. "Off the shelf" with
    an existing design could take a couple of hours, iterative design and
    re-working every decision could take weeks or longer. It's not the
    tech, it's the production process.
    Andy Dingley, Oct 11, 2005
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  8. RainLovr

    Neredbojias Guest

    With neither quill nor qualm, RainLover quothed:

    > On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:54:33 -0700, Neredbojias
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >With neither quill nor qualm, RainLovr quothed:
    > >
    > >> Hey everyone,
    > >>
    > >> I was curious what you would expect it to cost to convert a basic html
    > >> web site over to style sheets?
    > >>
    > >> I suppose before THAT, the big question is, is there a REASON to do
    > >> this? I have a lowly web site to show off my art, and am pretty happy
    > >> with with I have as far as its visual design goes.
    > >>
    > >> Any ideas? Suggestions?
    > >>
    > >> thanks!
    > >>
    > >> james, seattle
    > >>
    > >> www.jameskelseystudios.com

    > >
    > >The home page looks pretty good (-the dog is kinda homely, but...) and
    > >seems to work cross-browser, which many pages don't, so I wouldn't worry
    > >about it too much. There *are* some mistakes but apparently they are
    > >non-influential or ignored. I'd try learning css at my own pace, maybe
    > >add one bit and test, then another, etc., until you develop a feel for
    > >it. You're also supposed to have a doctype beginning the page, but I
    > >have a feeling that if you added one now, thus trying to establish
    > >conformance, the page would mis-render.

    >
    > Thanks for the feedback. I know there are weird mistakes throughout
    > my site, but, as you said... hey, it works....
    >
    > Something's drive me crazy about it, but most people don't notice a
    > few glitches in formating consistancy from page to page.
    >
    > James, Seattle


    That's probably due to the vagaries of invalid markup. The good part is
    that the site is consistent in all browsers (-I have available to me)
    which many "more-standardized" sites are not.

    Don't worry; be happy... :)

    --
    Neredbojias
    Contrary to popular belief, it is believable.
    Neredbojias, Oct 11, 2005
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    kklk Guest

    "RainLovr" <> a écrit dans le message de
    news: ...
    > Hey everyone,
    >
    > I was curious what you would expect it to cost to convert a basic html
    > web site over to style sheets?
    >
    > I suppose before THAT, the big question is, is there a REASON to do
    > this? I have a lowly web site to show off my art, and am pretty happy
    > with with I have as far as its visual design goes.
    >
    > Any ideas? Suggestions?
    >
    > thanks!
    >
    > james, seattle
    >
    > www.jameskelseystudios.com
    >
    >


    homepage has good and clear design..I agree... to bad the image map.
    inside page have ugly frames... uhhh... I hate that !!
    Plus, some of them, like novel, dont have frame... lack in site consitency.
    The red font...uuuuuhhhh... man, would you like you novel to be printed in
    red ?

    btw... I love that tangerine blade chair... would love it for my flat....
    even if I'd had to make a hole in the ceiling and if it is desinged for
    outdoor ! Just a great peace of furniture.. ;)
    kklk, Oct 11, 2005
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    RainLover Guest

    On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:45:27 +0200, "kklk" <> wrote:

    >
    >"RainLovr" <> a écrit dans le message de
    >news: ...
    >> Hey everyone,
    >>
    >> I was curious what you would expect it to cost to convert a basic html
    >> web site over to style sheets?
    >>
    >> I suppose before THAT, the big question is, is there a REASON to do
    >> this? I have a lowly web site to show off my art, and am pretty happy
    >> with with I have as far as its visual design goes.
    >>
    >> Any ideas? Suggestions?
    >>
    >> thanks!
    >>
    >> james, seattle
    >>
    >> www.jameskelseystudios.com
    >>
    >>

    >
    >homepage has good and clear design..I agree... to bad the image map.
    >inside page have ugly frames... uhhh... I hate that !!
    >Plus, some of them, like novel, dont have frame... lack in site consitency.
    >The red font...uuuuuhhhh... man, would you like you novel to be printed in
    >red ?


    yeah, I've had some negative feedback on the font color... I see it
    fine, but I guess some people (eyes or computer color setup) can't...
    I may change it, but I really don't want the 'black and white' look...
    hmmm.. what's your opinion of yellow text? :)

    What do you mean by 'ugly frames" what would you suggest?



    >btw... I love that tangerine blade chair... would love it for my flat....
    >even if I'd had to make a hole in the ceiling and if it is desinged for
    >outdoor ! Just a great peace of furniture.. ;)


    I like that piece too... it's just over 8 feet (2.44 meters), plus a
    bit that's designed for underground fastening, although that could be
    cut off. I could put a mount on the back so it attaches to your wall.
    I could deliver it the next time I'm in France... (I believe that's
    where you are).

    James, Seattle
    RainLover, Oct 13, 2005
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    <> wrote:

    >>> I suppose before THAT, the big question is, is there a REASON to do
    >>> this? I have a lowly web site to show off my art, and am pretty happy
    >>> with with I have as far as its visual design goes.
    >>>
    >>> Any ideas? Suggestions?
    >>>
    >>> thanks!
    >>>
    >>> james, seattle
    >>>
    >>> www.jameskelseystudios.com
    >>>


    I'm one of those people who read text and doesn't pay much attention
    to how the text got on the screen. In reading this from your web
    site:

    "If you arrived at this web site through a link from one of my
    galleries, or, if you discovered me at a gallery and are investigating
    my portfolio of work, please respect the important relationship I have
    with these galleries."

    I was confused for the first few readings. For some reason, I took
    the "my galleries" to mean photo galleries displayed somewhere on the
    web. I couldn't figure out why you mentioned that you respected them.

    It finally became clear that you are referring to the galleries that
    display your work. The "my" threw me.

    Sometimes you can be so close to something that you don't read it the
    same way that people unfamiliar with your field reads the same
    information. You might want to change that line to "If you arrived at
    this web site through a link from one of the galleries where my work
    is displayed, or if you discovered my work at a gallery and are
    investigating my portfolio, please respect the important relationship
    I have with these galleries."

    I also wonder about "A selection of modern contemporary abstract..."

    "Modern" and "contemporary" have the same basic meaning, so using both
    is redundant to me. Perhaps in your field the two words have
    different meanings, though.












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    Orlando, FL
    Tony Cooper, Oct 14, 2005
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  12. RainLovr

    RainLover Guest

    On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 04:25:17 GMT, Tony Cooper
    <> wrote:

    ><> wrote:
    >
    >>>> I suppose before THAT, the big question is, is there a REASON to do
    >>>> this? I have a lowly web site to show off my art, and am pretty happy
    >>>> with with I have as far as its visual design goes.
    >>>>
    >>>> Any ideas? Suggestions?
    >>>>
    >>>> thanks!
    >>>>
    >>>> james, seattle
    >>>>
    >>>> www.jameskelseystudios.com
    >>>>

    >
    >I'm one of those people who read text and doesn't pay much attention
    >to how the text got on the screen. In reading this from your web
    >site:
    >
    >"If you arrived at this web site through a link from one of my
    >galleries, or, if you discovered me at a gallery and are investigating
    >my portfolio of work, please respect the important relationship I have
    >with these galleries."
    >
    >I was confused for the first few readings. For some reason, I took
    >the "my galleries" to mean photo galleries displayed somewhere on the
    >web. I couldn't figure out why you mentioned that you respected them.
    >
    >It finally became clear that you are referring to the galleries that
    >display your work. The "my" threw me.
    >
    >Sometimes you can be so close to something that you don't read it the
    >same way that people unfamiliar with your field reads the same
    >information. You might want to change that line to "If you arrived at
    >this web site through a link from one of the galleries where my work
    >is displayed, or if you discovered my work at a gallery and are
    >investigating my portfolio, please respect the important relationship
    >I have with these galleries."
    >
    >I also wonder about "A selection of modern contemporary abstract..."
    >
    >"Modern" and "contemporary" have the same basic meaning, so using both
    >is redundant to me. Perhaps in your field the two words have
    >different meanings, though.
    >

    Both are excellent points. Thank you. I'll fix the wording of that
    page and remove and get rid of the redunancy. ;-)

    James, Seattle
    RainLover, Oct 14, 2005
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