Crockford on JavaScript, Episode IV: The metamorphosis of AJAX

[Jorge]

http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/theater/

Enjoy,

 

[Jorge]

http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/theater/

Enjoy,

IE6 MUST DIE !

)

<quote>
So IE6 must die.
[laughter and applause]
A couple of weeks ago, I think, YouTube – has anyone heard of YouTube?
– they announced that they weren't going to support IE6 anymore. It
was great. But if you look at what they actually said, they said
"well, we'll continue to let them see movies, but they won't get the
new special features." It's like, who goes to YouTube for the new
special features? That's just stupid.
So we need to have a statement that yeah, we're not going to support
IE6 anymore, but we've got to have better teeth in it than that.
Nobody wants to be the first website that has the teeth. I know that
my company doesn't. We don't want to be the ones to say, "IE6? Scram.
Go off to AOL or Bing or some other place, we don't want you."
Nobody's going to do that. So somehow we have to figure out a way to
get everybody in agreement to pick a time and date and say on that
date, anybody who comes to us in IE6, they go to a referral page
saying "you have to install one of these good browsers. I'm sorry.
You're just not welcome anywhere in the world anymore."
</quote>

 

[David Mark]

http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/theater/

Enjoy,

IE6 MUST DIE !

)

<quote>
So IE6 must die.
[laughter and applause]

Remember, this guy (JS luminary and all) is partially responsible for
YUI, which sniffs and "grades" browsers. Hopefully they were laughing
_at_ him (and applauding a dog act in another ring).

A couple of weeks ago, I think, YouTube – has anyone heard of YouTube?

Yes. They suck. What about them?

– they announced that they weren't going to support IE6 anymore.

Figures. Of course, I doubt if they ever supported it very well.

It
was great.

I guess you had to be there.

But if you look at what they actually said, they said
"well, we'll continue to let them see movies, but they won't get the
new special features." It's like, who goes to YouTube for the new
special features? That's just stupid.

No, you are just stupid. When does the puppet show start?

 

[lorlarz]

http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/theater/

Enjoy,

IE6 MUST DIE ! [snip]

Here is where you can keep up on all the available lectures and other
downloads
w/r to this great recent lecture series: http://yuiblog.com/crockford

 

[lorlarz]

http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/theater/

[snip]

Jorge

In that very lecture of the series (just a few days ago), Crockford
said he had not
seen any reports on how other libraries do on JSLint. Well, that has
changed. I have
made sure he has seen the JSLint report on jQuery 1.4.2 . Wondering
if he will ever
comment. Perhaps he is waiting until next month, when the jQuery
people claim their
1.4.3 will be in-compliance within reason. I hope he will grace us
with an opinion at
some point.

 

[David Mark]

http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/theater/

[snip]

Jorge

In that very lecture of the series (just a few days ago), Crockford
said he had not
seen any reports on how other libraries do on JSLint.

Meaning other than YUI? Too bad the logic doesn't pass muster. Sort of
like a laminated rat.

Well, that has
changed. I have
made sure he has seen the JSLint report on jQuery 1.4.2 .

I'm sure he'll be thrilled.

Wondering
if he will ever
comment. Perhaps he is waiting until next month, when the jQuery
people claim their
1.4.3 will be in-compliance within reason.

Seems prudent to wait until it actually happens.

I hope he will grace us
with an opinion at
some point.

I'll give you one now. The improvements were an ineffectual drop in the
bucket. Hell, they ignored the most numerous of the problems (ambiguous
loose comparisons to null).

Did you see where a bunch of plug-ins went belly up recently because the
jQuery data method abruptly switched from returning undefined to null
(or vice versa?) How do you suppose that slipped through?

 

[Dr J R Stockton]

In comp.lang.javascript message <e14ebcac-169d-4461-9411-b8e7779d5dfa@u9
g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:47:33, Jorge

<quote>
...
So we need to have a statement that yeah, we're not going to support
IE6 anymore, but we've got to have better teeth in it than that.
Nobody wants to be the first website that has the teeth. I know that
my company doesn't. We don't want to be the ones to say, "IE6? Scram.
Go off to AOL or Bing or some other place, we don't want you."
Nobody's going to do that. So somehow we have to figure out a way to
get everybody in agreement to pick a time and date and say on that
date, anybody who comes to us in IE6, they go to a referral page
saying "you have to install one of these good browsers. I'm sorry.
You're just not welcome anywhere in the world anymore."
</quote>

One could start by including a link enticing them to visit the EU
browser-choice page - to avoid ill-timed distraction, put it where a
log-off button might reasonably go.