datetime issue

Discussion in 'Python' started by Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò, Sep 15, 2012.

  1. Hello again,

    one small matter too.

    # get some enviromental values
    locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, 'el_GR')

    ...........
    ...........

    date = datetime.datetime.now().strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S' )


    although iam setting greek as locale the time is 8 hours before, like in texas, us

    How can i change this to save the correct Greek time in variable $date ?

    Thank you.
     
    Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò, Sep 15, 2012
    #1
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  2. > # get some enviromental values
    > locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, 'el_GR')
    > date = datetime.datetime.now().strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S' )


    >
    > although iam setting greek as locale the time is 8 hours before, like in texas, us
    > How can i change this to save the correct Greek time in variable $date ?


    http://docs.python.org/py3k/library/datetime.html#tzinfo-objects
    http://stackoverflow.com/questions/117514/how-do-i-use-timezones-with-a-datetime-object-in-python
    http://pytz.sourceforge.net/

    Reading these links suggests that datetime.now() will return the
    system time regardless of your locale setting.
    Use a timezone to generate a timestamp for someplace other than where
    your server sits.
     
    Jason Friedman, Sep 15, 2012
    #2
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  3. Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò

    Chris Rebert Guest

    On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Îικόλαος ΚοÏÏας <> wrote:
    > Hello again,
    >
    > one small matter too.
    >
    > # get some enviromental values
    > locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, 'el_GR')

    <snip>
    > date = datetime.datetime.now().strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S' )
    >
    > although iam setting greek as locale


    Locales don't affect timezones. Otherwise, how would expatriate
    communities, or countries wide enough to span several timezones,
    properly configure their software?

    > the time is 8 hours before, like in texas, us


    Which is where HostGator operates out of.

    > How can i change this to save the correct Greek time in variable $date ?


    Use the `pytz` package that Jason pointed out.

    Cheers,
    Chris
     
    Chris Rebert, Sep 15, 2012
    #3
  4. Ôç ÓÜââáôï, 15 Óåðôåìâñßïõ 2012 10:05:49 ì.ì. UTC+3, ï ÷ñÞóôçò Chris Rebert Ýãñáøå:
    > On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò <> wrote:
    >
    > > Hello again,

    >
    > >

    >
    > > one small matter too.

    >
    >
    >
    > > # get some enviromental values

    >
    > > locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, 'el_GR')

    >
    > <snip>
    >
    > > date = datetime.datetime.now().strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S' )

    >
    > >

    >
    > > although iam setting greek as locale

    >
    >
    >
    > Locales don't affect timezones. Otherwise, how would expatriate
    >
    > communities, or countries wide enough to span several timezones,
    >
    > properly configure their software?
    >
    >
    >
    > > the time is 8 hours before, like in texas, us

    >
    >
    >
    > Which is where HostGator operates out of.
    >
    >
    >
    > > How can i change this to save the correct Greek time in variable $date ?

    >
    >
    >
    > Use the `pytz` package that Jason pointed out.
    >
    >
    >
    > Cheers,
    >
    > Chris


    I did read but wasnt able to set it to greek time.
    Please tell me how should i write this.

    date = datetime.datetime.now().strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S',gmt+2 )

    didnt work out for me.
     
    Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò, Sep 15, 2012
    #4
  5. Ôç ÓÜââáôï, 15 Óåðôåìâñßïõ 2012 10:05:49 ì.ì. UTC+3, ï ÷ñÞóôçò Chris Rebert Ýãñáøå:
    > On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò <> wrote:
    >
    > > Hello again,

    >
    > >

    >
    > > one small matter too.

    >
    >
    >
    > > # get some enviromental values

    >
    > > locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, 'el_GR')

    >
    > <snip>
    >
    > > date = datetime.datetime.now().strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S' )

    >
    > >

    >
    > > although iam setting greek as locale

    >
    >
    >
    > Locales don't affect timezones. Otherwise, how would expatriate
    >
    > communities, or countries wide enough to span several timezones,
    >
    > properly configure their software?
    >
    >
    >
    > > the time is 8 hours before, like in texas, us

    >
    >
    >
    > Which is where HostGator operates out of.
    >
    >
    >
    > > How can i change this to save the correct Greek time in variable $date ?

    >
    >
    >
    > Use the `pytz` package that Jason pointed out.
    >
    >
    >
    > Cheers,
    >
    > Chris


    I did read but wasnt able to set it to greek time.
    Please tell me how should i write this.

    date = datetime.datetime.now().strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S',gmt+2 )

    didnt work out for me.
     
    Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò, Sep 15, 2012
    #5
  6. Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò

    MRAB Guest

    On 2012-09-15 20:26, Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò wrote:
    > Ôç ÓÜââáôï, 15 Óåðôåìâñßïõ 2012 10:05:49 ì.ì. UTC+3, ï ÷ñÞóôçò Chris Rebert Ýãñáøå:
    >> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò <> wrote:
    >> > Hello again,
    >> >
    >> > one small matter too.

    >>
    >> > # get some enviromental values
    >> > locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, 'el_GR')

    >> <snip>
    >> > date = datetime.datetime.now().strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S' )
    >> >
    >> > although iam setting greek as locale

    >>
    >> Locales don't affect timezones. Otherwise, how would expatriate
    >> communities, or countries wide enough to span several timezones,
    >> properly configure their software?
    >>
    >> > the time is 8 hours before, like in texas, us

    >>
    >> Which is where HostGator operates out of.
    >>
    >> > How can i change this to save the correct Greek time in variable

    $date ?
    >>
    >> Use the `pytz` package that Jason pointed out.
    >>

    > I did read but wasnt able to set it to greek time.
    > Please tell me how should i write this.
    >
    > date = datetime.datetime.now().strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S',gmt+2 )
    >
    > didnt work out for me.
    >

    Does this help?

    import datetime

    # The time as UTC (GMT).
    now_utc = datetime.datetime.utcnow()
    print(now_utc.strftime('%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S'))

    # The time as UTC+2.
    now_local = now_utc + datetime.timedelta(hours=2)
    print(now_local.strftime('%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S'))
     
    MRAB, Sep 15, 2012
    #6
  7. Ôç ÓÜââáôï, 15 Óåðôåìâñßïõ 2012 11:28:47 ì.ì. UTC+3, ï ÷ñÞóôçò MRAB Ýãñáøå:
    > On 2012-09-15 20:26, �������� ������ wrote:
    >
    > > �� �������, 15 ����������� 2012 10:05:49 �.�. UTC+3, � ������� Chris Rebert ������:

    >
    > >> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 10:33 AM, �������� ������ <> wrote:

    >
    > >> > Hello again,

    >
    > >> >

    >
    > >> > one small matter too.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> > # get some enviromental values

    >
    > >> > locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, 'el_GR')

    >
    > >> <snip>

    >
    > >> > date = datetime.datetime.now().strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S' )

    >
    > >> >

    >
    > >> > although iam setting greek as locale

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> Locales don't affect timezones. Otherwise, how would expatriate

    >
    > >> communities, or countries wide enough to span several timezones,

    >
    > >> properly configure their software?

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> > the time is 8 hours before, like in texas, us

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> Which is where HostGator operates out of.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> > How can i change this to save the correct Greek time in variable

    >
    > $date ?
    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> Use the `pytz` package that Jason pointed out.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > > I did read but wasnt able to set it to greek time.

    >
    > > Please tell me how should i write this.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > date = datetime.datetime.now().strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S',gmt+2 )

    >
    > >

    >
    > > didnt work out for me.

    >
    > >

    >
    > Does this help?
    >
    >
    >
    > import datetime
    >
    >
    >
    > # The time as UTC (GMT).
    >
    > now_utc = datetime.datetime.utcnow()
    >
    > print(now_utc.strftime('%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S'))
    >
    >
    >
    > # The time as UTC+2.
    >
    > now_local = now_utc + datetime.timedelta(hours=2)
    >
    > print(now_local.strftime('%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S'))


    If i wanted to alter the following line, how would i write it?

    date = datetime.datetime.now()+datetime.timedelta(hours=2).strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')

    But that doesnt work,
     
    Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò, Sep 16, 2012
    #7
  8. Ôç ÓÜââáôï, 15 Óåðôåìâñßïõ 2012 11:28:47 ì.ì. UTC+3, ï ÷ñÞóôçò MRAB Ýãñáøå:
    > On 2012-09-15 20:26, �������� ������ wrote:
    >
    > > �� �������, 15 ����������� 2012 10:05:49 �.�. UTC+3, � ������� Chris Rebert ������:

    >
    > >> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 10:33 AM, �������� ������ <> wrote:

    >
    > >> > Hello again,

    >
    > >> >

    >
    > >> > one small matter too.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> > # get some enviromental values

    >
    > >> > locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, 'el_GR')

    >
    > >> <snip>

    >
    > >> > date = datetime.datetime.now().strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S' )

    >
    > >> >

    >
    > >> > although iam setting greek as locale

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> Locales don't affect timezones. Otherwise, how would expatriate

    >
    > >> communities, or countries wide enough to span several timezones,

    >
    > >> properly configure their software?

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> > the time is 8 hours before, like in texas, us

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> Which is where HostGator operates out of.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> > How can i change this to save the correct Greek time in variable

    >
    > $date ?
    >
    > >>

    >
    > >> Use the `pytz` package that Jason pointed out.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > > I did read but wasnt able to set it to greek time.

    >
    > > Please tell me how should i write this.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > date = datetime.datetime.now().strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S',gmt+2 )

    >
    > >

    >
    > > didnt work out for me.

    >
    > >

    >
    > Does this help?
    >
    >
    >
    > import datetime
    >
    >
    >
    > # The time as UTC (GMT).
    >
    > now_utc = datetime.datetime.utcnow()
    >
    > print(now_utc.strftime('%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S'))
    >
    >
    >
    > # The time as UTC+2.
    >
    > now_local = now_utc + datetime.timedelta(hours=2)
    >
    > print(now_local.strftime('%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S'))


    If i wanted to alter the following line, how would i write it?

    date = datetime.datetime.now()+datetime.timedelta(hours=2).strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')

    But that doesnt work,
     
    Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò, Sep 16, 2012
    #8
  9. On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 22:15:38 -0700 (PDT), Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò
    <> declaimed the following in
    gmane.comp.python.general:


    >
    > If i wanted to alter the following line, how would i write it?
    >
    > date = datetime.datetime.now()+datetime.timedelta(hours=2).strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')
    >
    > But that doesnt work,


    What did you expect? Object methods bind tighter than operators so
    what you have is the equivalent of

    dn = datetime.datetime.now()
    dd = datetime.timedelta(hours=2).strftime(...)
    date = dn + dd

    Try

    >>> import datetime
    >>> date = datetime.datetime.now()+datetime.timedelta(hours=2).strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')

    Traceback (most recent call last):
    File "<interactive input>", line 1, in <module>
    AttributeError: 'datetime.timedelta' object has no attribute 'strftime'
    >>> date = (datetime.datetime.now()+datetime.timedelta(hours=2) ).strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')
    >>> date

    '12-09-16 03:50:44'
    >>>


    Note the ( ) wrapping the the + clause, with strftime() applied to
    the result of that...
    --
    Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN
    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/
     
    Dennis Lee Bieber, Sep 16, 2012
    #9
  10. dn = datetime.datetime.now()
    dd = datetime.timedelta(hours=2)
    date = dn + dd
    date = date.strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S' )

    still giving me texas,us time for some reason
     
    Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò, Sep 16, 2012
    #10
  11. dn = datetime.datetime.now()
    dd = datetime.timedelta(hours=2)
    date = dn + dd
    date = date.strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S' )

    still giving me texas,us time for some reason
     
    Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò, Sep 16, 2012
    #11
  12. Ôç ÊõñéáêÞ, 16 Óåðôåìâñßïõ 2012 10:51:18 ð.ì. UTC+3, ï ÷ñÞóôçò Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò Ýãñáøå:
    > dn = datetime.datetime.now()
    >
    > dd = datetime.timedelta(hours=2)
    >
    > date = dn + dd
    >
    > date = date.strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S' )
    >
    >
    >
    > still giving me texas,us time for some reason


    which is same as this:

    date = ( datetime.datetime.now() + datetime.timedelta(hours=2) ).strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')

    this also doesnt work either:

    date = ( datetime.datetime.now(hours=2).strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')

    if only it would!
     
    Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò, Sep 16, 2012
    #12
  13. Ôç ÊõñéáêÞ, 16 Óåðôåìâñßïõ 2012 10:51:18 ð.ì. UTC+3, ï ÷ñÞóôçò Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò Ýãñáøå:
    > dn = datetime.datetime.now()
    >
    > dd = datetime.timedelta(hours=2)
    >
    > date = dn + dd
    >
    > date = date.strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S' )
    >
    >
    >
    > still giving me texas,us time for some reason


    which is same as this:

    date = ( datetime.datetime.now() + datetime.timedelta(hours=2) ).strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')

    this also doesnt work either:

    date = ( datetime.datetime.now(hours=2).strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')

    if only it would!
     
    Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò, Sep 16, 2012
    #13
  14. Τη ΚυÏιακή, 16 ΣεπτεμβÏίου 2012 8:53:57 Ï€.μ. UTC+3, ο χÏήστης Dennis Lee Bieber έγÏαψε:
    > On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 22:15:38 -0700 (PDT), Ãéêüëáïò Êïýñáò
    >
    > <> declaimed the following in
    >
    > gmane.comp.python.general:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > >

    >
    > > If i wanted to alter the following line, how would i write it?

    >
    > >

    >
    > > date = datetime.datetime.now()+datetime.timedelta(hours=2).strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')

    >
    > >

    >
    > > But that doesnt work,

    >
    >
    >
    > What did you expect? Object methods bind tighter than operators so
    >
    > what you have is the equivalent of
    >
    >
    >
    > dn = datetime.datetime.now()
    >
    > dd = datetime.timedelta(hours=2).strftime(...)
    >
    > date = dn + dd
    >
    >
    >
    > Try
    >
    >
    >
    > >>> import datetime

    >
    > >>> date = datetime.datetime.now()+datetime.timedelta(hours=2).strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')

    >
    > Traceback (most recent call last):
    >
    > File "<interactive input>", line 1, in <module>
    >
    > AttributeError: 'datetime.timedelta' object has no attribute 'strftime'
    >
    > >>> date = (datetime.datetime.now()+datetime.timedelta(hours=2) ).strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')

    >
    > >>> date

    >
    > '12-09-16 03:50:44'
    >
    > >>>

    >
    >
    >
    > Note the ( ) wrapping the the + clause, with strftime() applied to
    >
    > the result of that...
    >
    > --
    >
    > Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN
    >
    > HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/




    date = ( datetime.datetime.now() + datetime.timedelta(hours=8) ).strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')

    but iam giving +8 hours which is the time difference between texas, us where the server sits and Greece's time.

    cant we somehow tell it to use GMT+2 ?

    also it would be nice if datetime.datetime.now(GMT+2) can be used.
     
    Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò, Sep 16, 2012
    #14
  15. Τη ΚυÏιακή, 16 ΣεπτεμβÏίου 2012 8:53:57 Ï€.μ. UTC+3, ο χÏήστης Dennis Lee Bieber έγÏαψε:
    > On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 22:15:38 -0700 (PDT), Ãéêüëáïò Êïýñáò
    >
    > <> declaimed the following in
    >
    > gmane.comp.python.general:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > >

    >
    > > If i wanted to alter the following line, how would i write it?

    >
    > >

    >
    > > date = datetime.datetime.now()+datetime.timedelta(hours=2).strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')

    >
    > >

    >
    > > But that doesnt work,

    >
    >
    >
    > What did you expect? Object methods bind tighter than operators so
    >
    > what you have is the equivalent of
    >
    >
    >
    > dn = datetime.datetime.now()
    >
    > dd = datetime.timedelta(hours=2).strftime(...)
    >
    > date = dn + dd
    >
    >
    >
    > Try
    >
    >
    >
    > >>> import datetime

    >
    > >>> date = datetime.datetime.now()+datetime.timedelta(hours=2).strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')

    >
    > Traceback (most recent call last):
    >
    > File "<interactive input>", line 1, in <module>
    >
    > AttributeError: 'datetime.timedelta' object has no attribute 'strftime'
    >
    > >>> date = (datetime.datetime.now()+datetime.timedelta(hours=2) ).strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')

    >
    > >>> date

    >
    > '12-09-16 03:50:44'
    >
    > >>>

    >
    >
    >
    > Note the ( ) wrapping the the + clause, with strftime() applied to
    >
    > the result of that...
    >
    > --
    >
    > Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN
    >
    > HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/




    date = ( datetime.datetime.now() + datetime.timedelta(hours=8) ).strftime( '%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')

    but iam giving +8 hours which is the time difference between texas, us where the server sits and Greece's time.

    cant we somehow tell it to use GMT+2 ?

    also it would be nice if datetime.datetime.now(GMT+2) can be used.
     
    Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò, Sep 16, 2012
    #15
  16. On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 01:25:30 -0700, Îικόλαος ΚοÏÏας wrote:
    [...]

    You seem to be emailing python-list AND posting to comp.lang.python (or
    the gmane mirror). Please pick one, or the other, and not both, because
    the mailing list and the newsgroup are mirrors of each other. Anything
    you send to the mailing list will be mirrored on the newsgroup
    automatically, there is no need to manually duplicate the post.


    Thank you.


    --
    Steven
     
    Steven D'Aprano, Sep 16, 2012
    #16
  17. Ôç ÊõñéáêÞ, 16 Óåðôåìâñßïõ 2012 12:53:42 ì.ì. UTC+3, ï ÷ñÞóôçò Steven D'Aprano Ýãñáøå:
    > On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 01:25:30 -0700, Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò wrote:
    >
    > [...]
    >
    >
    >
    > You seem to be emailing python-list AND posting to comp.lang.python (or
    >
    > the gmane mirror). Please pick one, or the other, and not both, because
    >
    > the mailing list and the newsgroup are mirrors of each other. Anything
    >
    > you send to the mailing list will be mirrored on the newsgroup
    >
    > automatically, there is no need to manually duplicate the post.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Thank you.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    >
    > Steven


    Iam sorry i didnt do that on purpose and i dont know how this is done.

    Iam positng via google groups using chrome, thats all i know.

    Whats a mailing list?
    Can i get responses to my mail instead of constantly check the google groups site?
     
    Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò, Sep 16, 2012
    #17
  18. On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 03:15:11 -0700, Îικόλαος ΚοÏÏας wrote:

    > Whats a mailing list?
    > Can i get responses to my mail instead of constantly check the google
    > groups site?


    http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list



    --
    Steven
     
    Steven D'Aprano, Sep 16, 2012
    #18
  19. Ôç ÊõñéáêÞ, 16 Óåðôåìâñßïõ 2012 1:49:38 ì.ì. UTC+3, ï ÷ñÞóôçò Steven D'Aprano Ýãñáøå:
    > On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 03:15:11 -0700, Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò wrote:
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    > > Whats a mailing list?

    >
    > > Can i get responses to my mail instead of constantly check the google

    >
    > > groups site?

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    > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    >
    > Steven


    Thank you, i prefer to be notifies only to thread iam initiating or answering to not all of te threads. Is this possible?
     
    Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò, Sep 16, 2012
    #19
  20. On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 03:54:45 -0700, Îικόλαος ΚοÏÏας wrote:

    > Τη ΚυÏιακή, 16 ΣεπτεμβÏίου 2012 1:49:38 μ.μ. UTC+3, ο χÏήστης Steven
    > D'Aprano έγÏαψε:
    >> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 03:15:11 -0700, Îικόλαος ΚοÏÏας wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> > Whats a mailing list?

    >>
    >> > Can i get responses to my mail instead of constantly check the google

    >>
    >> > groups site?

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list


    > Thank you, i prefer to be notifies only to thread iam initiating or
    > answering to not all of te threads. Is this possible?


    No. That's not how mailing lists work. Every email gets posted to all
    members, unless they go onto "No Mail", in which case they get no emails
    at all.

    You are not paying anything for the help you are receiving, except to
    give your own time in return to help others. We are all volunteers here,
    and nobody is going to force you to volunteer in return, but if everyone
    only received threads that they initiated, nobody would see new threads
    and nobody would get any answers at all.



    --
    Steven
     
    Steven D'Aprano, Sep 16, 2012
    #20
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