Daylight saving in NSW

[Adrienne Boswell]

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed dorayme

In NSW Australia, daylight saving does not finish until 6th April (a
week later than usual). I noticed my computer clock was put back an hour
today. It is supposed to be done automatically on a per region basis
(set in sys pref on a Mac). Something or someone has stuffed up. Had to
manually put it forward again. It is possible, I suppose, it is just my
machine at fault (not me, of course.)

I hate daylight saving time. It's a waste of time. The sun isn't going
to do anything different just because we want it to, and Bessy the cow
isn't going to give milk any sooner, just because Old McDonald's buyers
are the the farm an hour earlier. Traffic accidents spike at the
beginning of DST, because our internal clocks don't give a hoot what the
clock says either - we're losing an hour of sleep.

I say it's time to get rid of DST altogether.

 

[Eric Lindsay]

In NSW Australia, daylight saving does not finish until 6th April (a
week later than usual). I noticed my computer clock was put back an hour
today. It is supposed to be done automatically on a per region basis
(set in sys pref on a Mac). Something or someone has stuffed up. Had to
manually put it forward again. It is possible, I suppose, it is just my
machine at fault (not me, of course.)

I gather NSW legislation only went through in late October. I can't see
any indication at Apple support of a Daylight Saving update for Leopard
(nor for Tiger or Panther past March 2007).

At least some mobile phones also didn't notice the problem, as reported
in the news this morning.

I am very glad I live in a state that does not use Daylight Saving. Less
complicated.

 

[David Empson]

In NSW Australia, daylight saving does not finish until 6th April (a
week later than usual). I noticed my computer clock was put back an hour
today. It is supposed to be done automatically on a per region basis
(set in sys pref on a Mac). Something or someone has stuffed up. Had to
manually put it forward again. It is possible, I suppose, it is just my
machine at fault (not me, of course.)

Which version of Mac OS X are you running?

According to my 10.5.2 system, the current time zone in Sydney is
UTC+11, which agrees with your description of what the time should be.

If you are running 10.4.10 or earlier, and the rule changed from last
year, then your version of Mac OS X has out of date daylight saving
rules.

Apple released updated rules in 10.4.11 and 10.5.

We had a similar problem in New Zealand back in September, when the
rules changed here, and we have a problem right now for anyone still
running 10.4.10 or earlier, as the end of daylight saving moved ahead by
three weeks (to April 6th).

Since 10.4.11 and 10.5 weren't out in time for our local daylight saving
transition in September, a friend of mine wrote a patch for the daylight
saving rules for New Zealand to fix the problem for people running
10.3.9 and 10.4.9/10.

The whole story is here:

http://welmac.org.nz/nzdst2007.php

 

[dorayme]

In NSW Australia, daylight saving does not finish until 6th April (a
week later than usual). I noticed my computer clock was put back an hour
today. It is supposed to be done automatically on a per region basis
(set in sys pref on a Mac). Something or someone has stuffed up. Had to
manually put it forward again. It is possible, I suppose, it is just my
machine at fault (not me, of course.)

 

[Ed Mullen]

I couldn't agree more. Fortunately, I, like Eric, live in a state which
has no daylight savings time, but before I moved, I hated it, too. I think
the point is that if they want to adjust work and school start times, etc.,
go ahead, but leave the clock itself alone.

I kinda like it staying light later. It was especially fun for me when
I spent 2 1/2 weeks in Ireland in June and it stayed light until almost
10 PM. Same thing on an Alaska cruise. I think we should just adjust
the clock ahead an hour for 12 months of the year! :-D

 

[Neredbojias]

I hate daylight saving time. It's a waste of time. The sun isn't going
to do anything different just because we want it to, and Bessy the cow
isn't going to give milk any sooner, just because Old McDonald's buyers
are the the farm an hour earlier. Traffic accidents spike at the
beginning of DST, because our internal clocks don't give a hoot what the
clock says either - we're losing an hour of sleep.

I say it's time to get rid of DST altogether.

I couldn't agree more. Fortunately, I, like Eric, live in a state which
has no daylight savings time, but before I moved, I hated it, too. I think
the point is that if they want to adjust work and school start times, etc.,
go ahead, but leave the clock itself alone.

 

[Phil Kempster]

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed dorayme


I hate daylight saving time. It's a waste of time. The sun isn't going
to do anything different just because we want it to, and Bessy the cow
isn't going to give milk any sooner, just because Old McDonald's buyers
are the the farm an hour earlier. Traffic accidents spike at the
beginning of DST, because our internal clocks don't give a hoot what the
clock says either - we're losing an hour of sleep.

I say it's time to get rid of DST altogether.

Couldn't agree more. If you want to trade with an adjoining time zone,
get up an hour earlier [1]. You don't have to bother the cows and the
school children at all, let the rest of us stay in tune with the sun.
It's crazy that we're totally controlled by little mechanical devices
strapped to our wrists.

[1] I live in a half hour time zone, like Newfoundland!

 

[Neredbojias]

I kinda like it staying light later. It was especially fun for me
when I spent 2 1/2 weeks in Ireland in June and it stayed light until
almost 10 PM. Same thing on an Alaska cruise. I think we should just
adjust the clock ahead an hour for 12 months of the year! :-D

That's okay by me. My objection is to _changing_ the clock during the year
(twice!) not to what time you want the sun to rise or set.

 

[Johan W. Elzenga]

I couldn't agree more. Fortunately, I, like Eric, live in a state which
has no daylight savings time, but before I moved, I hated it, too. I think
the point is that if they want to adjust work and school start times, etc.,
go ahead, but leave the clock itself alone.

Funny. Do you really think that leaving the clock alone, but changing
the starting time of everything you do makes any difference whatsoever?
It still means you have to get up one hour earlier.

I like DST. We have one more hour of daylight in the evening, so it
really makes me feel that summer is on its way.

 

[Neredbojias]

I kinda like it staying light later. It was especially fun for me
when I spent 2 1/2 weeks in Ireland in June and it stayed light until
almost 10 PM. Same thing on an Alaska cruise. I think we should just
adjust the clock ahead an hour for 12 months of the year! :-D

Btw, check out my new email address. I couldn't get it to "go through"
without sticking the "me@" in front, but the link seems to work.

 

[Neredbojias]

Funny. Do you really think that leaving the clock alone, but changing
the starting time of everything you do makes any difference
whatsoever?

Absolutely! I means not having to screw with the clock and clock-type
mechanisms such as computer time.

It still means you have to get up one hour earlier.

Sure, either way. Whether a person likes that or not is varying but why
make people change their clocks - just to aggravate them more?

I like DST. We have one more hour of daylight in the evening, so it
really makes me feel that summer is on its way.

Move to Tortuga; it's summer there all the time.

 

[Johan W. Elzenga]

Absolutely! I means not having to screw with the clock and clock-type
mechanisms such as computer time.

My computer sets the change automatically.

Sure, either way. Whether a person likes that or not is varying but why
make people change their clocks - just to aggravate them more?

Probably because it's a lot easier to only change the clock, than to
change every time table and every schedule. I'm sure people would find
that much more impractical and would miss regular meetings, planes,
trains and busses before they finally got used to the new schadules. But
hey, I didn't invent DST, so don't ask me why it was done this way and
not another way.

Move to Tortuga; it's summer there all the time.

I didn't say I want it to be summer all the time.

 

[J.O. Aho]

Btw, check out my new email address. I couldn't get it to "go through"
without sticking the "me@" in front, but the link seems to work.

Could it be that it's not an e-mail address.

 

[J.O. Aho]

Funny. Do you really think that leaving the clock alone, but changing
the starting time of everything you do makes any difference whatsoever?
It still means you have to get up one hour earlier.

I like DST. We have one more hour of daylight in the evening, so it
really makes me feel that summer is on its way.

I hate the thought of change the clock twice a year, if people wants one
more hour of daylight in the evening, then just see to that the
state/country switches timezone one step to the right, for example most
of Europe would just change from CET to EET and the problem is solved
and no need to switch the clock, whats the point to change the time for
a couple of months when the standard time is used, DST is used the
majority of the year.

 

[Tom Stiller]

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed dorayme


I hate daylight saving time. It's a waste of time. The sun isn't going
to do anything different just because we want it to, and Bessy the cow
isn't going to give milk any sooner, just because Old McDonald's buyers
are the the farm an hour earlier. Traffic accidents spike at the
beginning of DST, because our internal clocks don't give a hoot what the
clock says either - we're losing an hour of sleep.

I say it's time to get rid of DST altogether.

Until recently the state of Indiana (US) allowed counties to set their
own rule regarding DST. Comparing actual energy usage before and after
the state legislature forced everyone to DST and allowing for yearly
temperature variations, using neighboring counties as controls, showed
an increase in energy usage. See
<http://gizmodo.com/365527/daylight-saving-time-jump-may-actually-waste-e
nergy> for more details.

 

[Harlan Messinger]

In NSW Australia, daylight saving does not finish until 6th April (a
week later than usual). I noticed my computer clock was put back an hour
today. It is supposed to be done automatically on a per region basis
(set in sys pref on a Mac). Something or someone has stuffed up. Had to
manually put it forward again. It is possible, I suppose, it is just my
machine at fault (not me, of course.)

Why hasn't Jukka joined the thread, to scream that this belongs in
comp.systems.clocks? (Hmm, he didn't even complain that the Easter egg
thread belonged in rec.food.chocolate.)

 

[Johan W. Elzenga]

I hate the thought of change the clock twice a year, if people wants one
more hour of daylight in the evening, then just see to that the
state/country switches timezone one step to the right, for example most
of Europe would just change from CET to EET and the problem is solved
and no need to switch the clock, whats the point to change the time for
a couple of months when the standard time is used, DST is used the
majority of the year.

DST is not about having one more hour of daylight in the evening. It's
about having one more hour of daylight during the period that people are
active. In summer, you waste daylight hours in the morning. That is why
it makes sense to change that by changing the clock (or your habits).

In winter, it's still dark when you get up in the morning. Using DST (or
using another time zone permanently) in winter would mean one more hour
of darkness in the morning. That is when people are drving to work and
are at work, so having daylight in the morning is more important than
having an extra hour of daylight in the evening.

That is why DST is only used part of the year. DST only works in summer,
because it gives you an extra hour in the evening *without* stealing it
from the morning. If it worked all year round, we would have changed
time zone ages ago. Or easier, we would have different habits and work
from eight to four or from seven to three rather than from nine to five.

 

[Warren Oates]

Probably because it's a lot easier to only change the clock, than to
change every time table and every schedule. I'm sure people would find
that much more impractical and would miss regular meetings, planes,
trains and busses before they finally got used to the new schadules. But
hey, I didn't invent DST, so don't ask me why it was done this way and
not another way.

Years ago, the Canadian railways refused to change their schedules to
accommodate DST, so if you were taking the train you had to figure it
all out an hour earlier (and this was in the days when their were two
railways and you actually _could_ take a train to most places in
Canada). It caused all sorts of problems; you'd walk into a railway
station and time seemed to move backwards. Nowadays they (the railways)
change with the Americans like everyone else except in that little town
in Saskatchewan where the mayor still pokes a stick into a cow patty at
noon every day to measure the angle of the sun.

 

[Warren Oates]

Couldn't agree more. If you want to trade with an adjoining time zone,
get up an hour earlier [1]. You don't have to bother the cows and the
school children at all, let the rest of us stay in tune with the sun.
It's crazy that we're totally controlled by little mechanical devices
strapped to our wrists.

[1] I live in a half hour time zone, like Newfoundland!

Venezuela?

 

[Baho Utot]

DST is not about having one more hour of daylight in the evening. It's
about having one more hour of daylight during the period that people are
active. In summer, you waste daylight hours in the morning. That is why
it makes sense to change that by changing the clock (or your habits).

In winter, it's still dark when you get up in the morning. Using DST (or
using another time zone permanently) in winter would mean one more hour
of darkness in the morning. That is when people are drving to work and
are at work, so having daylight in the morning is more important than
having an extra hour of daylight in the evening.

That is why DST is only used part of the year. DST only works in summer,
because it gives you an extra hour in the evening *without* stealing it
from the morning. If it worked all year round, we would have changed
time zone ages ago. Or easier, we would have different habits and work
from eight to four or from seven to three rather than from nine to five.

This thread is amazing as the folks that _think_ they can get an extra
hour of sunlite. The Earth revolves at a somewhat fixed pace so the
reality of this is you don't get an extra hour. All days have approx. 24
hours and that is all you get no matter how you want to count it.