Defeating Pop-up stoppers please?

B

Bill

Hello Programmers,
I am looking for either Java Script (OR HTML etc)
to DEFEAT Pop-up Stoppers

e.g It will bring up a window that will
LOOK like a Pop-up
FEEL like a Pop-up
Allow a name and e-mail entry
BUT is not affected by Popup Stopper, PopUp Killer etc

Bill
 
C

Christophe Vanfleteren

Bill said:
Hello Programmers,
I am looking for either Java Script (OR HTML etc)
to DEFEAT Pop-up Stoppers

e.g It will bring up a window that will
LOOK like a Pop-up
FEEL like a Pop-up
Allow a name and e-mail entry
BUT is not affected by Popup Stopper, PopUp Killer etc

Bill

And multiposting will definitely not help you.
 
S

Sergio Juan

This must be kind of a "profesional disease", spawning posts like popups....

In the other hand, I suggest an alert that displays a message "Please
deactivate your popup stoppers so I can annoy you with publicity you do
neither desire nor need". Maybe it will work. :p

Regards.
 
H

Harald Hein

Christophe Vanfleteren said:
And multiposting will definitely not help you.

He is a spammer. What do you expect?

In fact, jaring.my is a known spam shithole for years, and has earned
nice cosy places in blocklists around the world.
 
B

Bill

I'm actually an Australian in Malaysia.
I had no idea what I was stepping into when I made that OP!
I also did not express my intentions clearly!
We live and learn! :)
Bill
PS - the e-mail I address I used is an old one I no longer use!
I was expecting spam!
 
N

noone

Bill said:
I'm actually an Australian in Malaysia.

And am an Asian living in Australia ...
I had no idea what I was stepping into when I made that OP!

You mean, you have not heard of the outcry against pop-up ads ?
I also did not express my intentions clearly!

Your intention is quite obvious, as per the subject line of your OP.
 
B

Bill

By the way, anyone wanting to e-mail me, the e-mail address given is
disused.
It gets so much spam I no longer use it.
I hope no-one has tried to e-mail me personally
Bill
 
H

Harald Hein

Bill said:
I'm actually an Australian in Malaysia.

Who cares? A spammer is a spammer, independent of nationality.
I had no idea what I was stepping into when I made that OP!

Oh sure not. You know the official spammer rules?

Rule #1: Spammers lie.
Rule #2: If a spammer seems to be telling the truth, see Rule #1.
Rule #3: Spammers are stupid.

Recently
(http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=RbydnRsL6r6vygCjXTWcow@giganews
..com&output=gplain) ammended by:

Rule #0: Spam is theft.
Rule #4: The natural course of a spamming business is to go bankrupt.

Should we really discuss which one applies to you?
I also did not express my intentions clearly!

Oh, It was very obvious. You want to harrass and anoy people with
advertising. And, you want to do so by stealing resources from your
victims.
We live and learn! :)

It has proven again and again that spammers are incapable of learning
(Rule #3). I bet we will see you again in the spamming business.
PS - the e-mail I address I used is an old one I no longer use!

I would have been surprised if it would even be your address, and not
some identity theft.
I was expecting spam!

Also typical for spammers. "I hate spam as much as the next guy. Spam
is what the others do.".

Please excuse me now. I have to take a shower. Talking to a spammer
makes me feel dirty.
 
J

Joona I Palaste

Bill said:
By the way, anyone wanting to e-mail me, the e-mail address given is
disused.
It gets so much spam I no longer use it.
I hope no-one has tried to e-mail me personally
Bill

Now look here, a spammer complaining about how much spam he gets.
 
J

Justin Kaeser

e.g It will bring up a window that will
LOOK like a Pop-up
FEEL like a Pop-up
Allow a name and e-mail entry
BUT is not affected by Popup Stopper, PopUp Killer etc

Assuming you don't want to use this as spam.. have you considered that
people using popup stoppers will be the first to immidiately kill your
popup and most likely not be willing to enter their eMail into the
form?

Perhaps you may want to rethink your design. If you just want a new
window to open, why not use some construct such as <a
href="xyz.zy/form.html" target="_new_window">click here for a form</a>
(if i remember my html correctly)

This will be unobtrusive and most likely serve your purpose, unless
you are one of those spammers wanting to annoy the hell out of people,
hehe. Because honestly, I have yet to come across a use of popups that
enhanced usability of a website....
 
M

Mickey Segal

Justin Kaeser said:
I have yet to come across a use of popups that
enhanced usability of a website....

We have a large Java applet with extensive Web-page-based documentation
accessed by clicking help buttons in the applet. As detailed (with a
working applet as an example) at:
http://segal.org/java/pop_window2/index.html
the documentation gets blocked by the Google Toolbar, but not by pop-up
stoppers used by Netscape and Safari.

Having to switch away from Web-page-based documentation would be a big
problem for us and the users of our large Java applet. Hopefully Google
will figure out some way to allow our button-click-initiated pop-ups without
allowing the automatic popups that motivate us to install popup stoppers.
At the minimum someone should fix the bug that prevents the little yellow
explosion cursor from appearing when the popup is blocked.
 
T

Thomas Schodt

http://segal.org/java/pop_window2/index.html

[After turning on Java support in my browser]
opening that link causes a java window to appear.
The window is created when the page is loaded rather than as a result of a
user action and is by definition an unsolicited Pop-up.

This kind of thing is why my browser settings default to
having Java support turned off.

the documentation gets blocked by the Google Toolbar, but not by
pop-up stoppers used by Netscape and Safari.

Nor by Guidescope.
 
M

Mickey Segal

Thomas Schodt said:

[After turning on Java support in my browser]
opening that link causes a java window to appear.
The window is created when the page is loaded rather than as a result of a
user action and is by definition an unsolicited Pop-up.

This kind of thing is why my browser settings default to
having Java support turned off.

The use of a Frame in the example above has complicated the point I am
making. To see an example without the issue of a Frame popping up see the
simpler example at: http://segal.org/java/pop_window/index.html. Here the
user-initiated button click is supposed to pop-up a browser window, but that
is blocked by the Google Toolbar (though not by the other popup blockers).

It seems reasonable that a user should be able to click a button to pop up a
browser with documentation, but that is blocked by the Google Toolbar.
Google says this is a bug. However, it is not clear to me how they can stop
this unintended blocking without allowing unsolicited popups.
 
B

Bryan Boone

Mickey said:
We have a large Java applet with extensive Web-page-based documentation
accessed by clicking help buttons in the applet. As detailed (with a
working applet as an example) at:
http://segal.org/java/pop_window2/index.html
the documentation gets blocked by the Google Toolbar, but not by pop-up
stoppers used by Netscape and Safari.

Having to switch away from Web-page-based documentation would be a big
problem for us and the users of our large Java applet. Hopefully Google
will figure out some way to allow our button-click-initiated pop-ups without
allowing the automatic popups that motivate us to install popup stoppers.
At the minimum someone should fix the bug that prevents the little yellow
explosion cursor from appearing when the popup is blocked.
Why not display the hml is a JEditorPane anyway for your applet?
-Bryan
 
A

Andrew Thompson

Mickey Segal said:
We have a large Java applet with extensive Web-page-based documentation
accessed by clicking help buttons in the applet. As detailed (with a
working applet as an example) at:
http://segal.org/java/pop_window2/index.html

I have been thinking about your Applet, Mickey.

Had you considered openning the documentation
in a separate frame*?

Both Frames and Pop-Ups have accessibility problems,
but I think Frames are more accepted.

[ * I am talking HTML frames here, not Java Frames or JFrames ]
 
M

Mickey Segal

Andrew Thompson said:
I have been thinking about your Applet, Mickey.

Had you considered openning the documentation
in a separate frame*?

Both Frames and Pop-Ups have accessibility problems,
but I think Frames are more accepted.

[ * I am talking HTML frames here, not Java Frames or JFrames ]

Both the applet and the documentation need most of the screen (or all of the
screen on monitors with low resolutions), so I don't think HTML frames will
be a good workaround here.

Our workaround so far is to post a red warning telling people about this
Google issue and how to disable the popup blocking for our domain, but one
hopes for solutions that do not depend on people reading the directions.

And since our applet runs in a Frame (for a variety of reasons tangential to
this discussion) hopefully Google will correct the most serious part of the
bug whereby in http://segal.org/java/pop_window2/ using the Microsoft JVM
the little yellow explosion cursor does not appear after clicking a button
in a frame. When the button is not in a frame as in
http://segal.org/java/pop_window/ the yellow explosion cursor appears even
using the Microsoft JVM.
 
M

Mickey Segal

Bryan Boone said:
Why not display the hml is a JEditorPane anyway for your applet?

We are restricted to a basic Java 1.x installation in order to support users
with older JVMs. Also, there are almost 100 HTML files with 1.4 MB of
images, so it is convenient to manage the documentation as a set of Web
pages accessed as needed.
 
B

Bryan E. Boone

That doesn't prevent you from using the JEditorPane. You can point the
control to a
url, it doesn't have to be local.

Java 1.x hmm... that covers a lot of ground (1.1 - 1.4.2?), you must be
talking pre-Swing,
_and_ pre-java plugin technology. You get a much better look and feel
consistency
if you used JEditorPane. As far as that goes all text rendering swing
components (jdk 1.2+ i think)
can understand html 3.2.

-Bryan
 
M

Mickey Segal

Bryan E. Boone said:
Java 1.x hmm... that covers a lot of ground (1.1 - 1.4.2?), you must be
talking pre-Swing,
_and_ pre-java plugin technology. You get a much better look and feel
consistency
if you used JEditorPane.

I meant JRE 1.1; most of our users still use the Microsoft JVM and some use
Mac OS 9. This limits our ability to work around a block of showDocument.
 
B

Bryan Boone

Mickey said:
I meant JRE 1.1; most of our users still use the Microsoft JVM and some use
Mac OS 9. This limits our ability to work around a block of showDocument.
Fair enough... BTW... I develop java on Panther. Quite nice;
-Bryan
 

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