designing to fit into screen resolution

J

Jonathan N. Little

aa said:
This means that if JavaScript is enabled, then JavaScript hit counters do
count
This sounds like a new technology which I missed. Will you please tell me
more about this?

What is to explain? If the counter functions using JavaScript how you
expect it to would if the client has JavaScript disabled?
 
J

Jonathan N. Little

aa said:
Probably. But after Beauregard placed a screenshot of my site the counter
incremented (BTW, if I had his URL I could have his design in similar
presentation in no time).
Perhaps it is a coincedence, but perhaps your assumptions do flaw
To understand what you consider good, I clicked a link to your site. I was
testing my page for high res and had 1280x1024 at that moment.
Your home page - the quality of the graphics is impressive - I mean it. Yet
to mine mind the page is far from being user-friendly. I never do
generalies. If I critisize I do details:
1. That red-yellow fonts on the tombstone are very cute but practically
unreadable. So after several seconds of straining my eyes I just conceded.
As I said quality should match the purpose. If these words are not supposed
to be read, but are just decorations, then I withdraw this comment
2. I tried to go past Home Page but it was un-clickable with no apparent
navigation. It took me several moments to realise that one should hit that
little spinning disk. True, there is a text instruction in small prints
there to click the disk. But this type of navigation is only good for the
author. If navigation needs text instruction then it is not a navigation.
You probably are aware of the reserches showing that a surfing visitor
spends not more then 2-3 seconds to decide whether to get into a site or
surfe elsewhere.
With that sort of home page a surfer might get pissed off well before those
2-3 secs.
Unless he/she is mesmerized by the tombstone per ce which as I said is cool
3. As I said the picture of the tombsone is made professionaly. But it
puzzles. I thought you are in Undertaker's business. Or do graphic design
for funerals.
4. After all these talks about resolution I was not impressed that at
1280x1024 the whole page collapsed into the upper half of the screen leaving
the bottom half look like a black hole.
Again this is just my personal opinion, but unlike yourself I will not get
pissed off is you ignore it

Fair enough. Splash pages are obsolete and I have considered dropping
it, maybe next revision. It remains at present for the same reason as
many legacy things hang around. The site within works basically
resolution independent considering the graphic-oriented nature of my
business.
 
D

dorayme

"Jonathan N. Little said:
It remains at present for the same reason as
many legacy things hang around.

Indeed... there would be many of us with lots of old stuff... be
nice to find the time to update everything...
 
A

aa

Jonathan N. Little said:
What is to explain? If the counter functions using JavaScript how you
expect it to would if the client has JavaScript disabled?

No need explaining why JavaScript hit counters do not count when JavaScript
is not enabled.
They equally do not count when the traffic lights are not enabled. You can
experiment and see it for yourself.

I asked you to explain how they count when JavaScript is enabled please
 
B

Beauregard T. Shagnasty

aa said:
Probably. But after Beauregard placed a screenshot of my site the
counter incremented

Your counter was not incremented by my visits. I can assure you of that.

This is your counter:
<script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript">
... http://dc.ca.b1.a1.top.list.ru/counter?id=1158257
(BTW, if I had his URL I could have his design in similar presentation
in no time).

Heh. Does that mean you could make my sites _look_like_yours_? You
could only do that if you snipped everything between my <HTML> and the
</HTML>, and inserted something of your own.
 
A

aa

Jonathan N. Little said:
Fair enough. Splash pages are obsolete and I have considered dropping
it, maybe next revision. It remains at present for the same reason as
many legacy things hang around. The site within works basically
resolution independent considering the graphic-oriented nature of my
business.

Appreciate your healthy reaction. Perhaps this will help to ease of
excessive enthusiam poorinmg shit on others who might, like yourself have
legacies and specially oriented nature of business
Have a good weekend
 
A

aa

This only indicates how little you understand of what you are preaching. Or
you just looking for a face-saving way out hoping that the others understand
even less
 
D

dorayme

"aa said:
This only indicates how little you understand of what you are preaching. Or
you just looking for a face-saving way out hoping that the others understand
even less

news:p9dsh.424326$Fi1.35511

Please be nice to old B, consider that he may know some
background things that you are not aware of. You can trust me
because you are my temporary favourite. Why do you suddenly top
post after a few the other way? Is this some freedom thing you
are exercising? No need to be quite so showy about it old chap!
What is it? You live in one of the former Soviet states and not
quite used to Western freedoms? Have you been attending Luigi's
course on Freedom of Choice and are doing this to score a high
mark in field exams?
 
J

Jonathan N. Little

aa said:
Appreciate your healthy reaction. Perhaps this will help to ease of
excessive enthusiam poorinmg shit on others who might, like yourself have
legacies and specially oriented nature of business
Have a good weekend
 
A

aa

your old B may know something, but he is human but humans can't know
everything
In this here instance he talks through his hat. And I am surprised that you
do not notice it - it is so obvious.
It became popular here to shit me and old B just could not resist temptation
to please the crowd.
Regarding top-posting - as I said, I am on 800x600 and got tired scrolling
down through all this shit. But if you like it, you can keep scolling
PS. I have - how to put it mildly - a conservative sextual orientation.
Therefore do not waste your approaches on me and keep them for that Luigi of
yours, whoever he is.
 
J

Jonathan N. Little

aa said:
Appreciate your healthy reaction. Perhaps this will help to ease of
excessive enthusiam poorinmg shit on others who might, like yourself have
legacies and specially oriented nature of business
Have a good weekend
Let's try this again with the message! ;-)

Oh, I am very critical of my work. dorayme expressed it well, wish I
that time to redo everything!

Although some could have couched criticism a bit, their points were very
valid. Aside of the aesthetics, your site if fundamentally broken.
Images and text overlap, Tiny red text on black is very hard to read.
What little CSS styling is used is poor:

"font-weight:bold; font-size:12px; font-family:tahoma;}"

12px is both too small and inflexible, Tahoma does not exist on my
Mandrake and Fedora systems and no general font family was specified
which means a serif font will be used. Tiny red on black serif text is
impossible to read. Your goal of designing for two resolutions is
misguided, a point that has been belabored in this and the other thread.
The reliance on client-side script to build your page is a big error...
When you've been informed of this you have lash out and other have
reciprocated. Hey, this is not kindergarten and Barney-land (that damn
insiped purple dinosaur) where everything is sugar-coated, this is
Usenet. Ask a question and your going to get a direct response most
time, ask for critique and you'll get that too. Be a bit receptive and
you might find your markup may benefit.
 
B

Beauregard T. Shagnasty

aa said:
This only indicates how little you understand of what you are
preaching. Or you just looking for a face-saving way out hoping that
the others understand even less

<sigh>
 
D

dorayme

"aa said:
your old B may know something, but he is human but humans can't know
everything
In this here instance he talks through his hat. And I am surprised that you
do not notice it - it is so obvious.
It became popular here to shit me and old B just could not resist temptation
to please the crowd.
Regarding top-posting - as I said, I am on 800x600 and got tired scrolling
down through all this shit. But if you like it, you can keep scolling
PS. I have - how to put it mildly - a conservative sextual orientation.
Therefore do not waste your approaches on me and keep them for that Luigi of
yours, whoever he is.

You can relax about any approaches to you, I fall in love at the
drop of a hat with all sorts of things, even a cup of tea. I am
now starting to worry about the matadors and the crowd here and
am trying to fend you off, like one of those bull-ring helpers
that jumps in to distract a wild raging bull from attacking the
matadors or crowd in less than big-city set-ups.

And to think, I thought it was you I had to look out for and help!

I don't know if I can succeed in drawing your fire enough for
them to be able to quietly slip out of the ring. No, I am not
worried for myself, I sort of fancy being gored half to death.

Here is some reading for you, my little sweetie pie:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting

(this has the distinct advantage that you can edit it if you
don't like it)
 
J

Jonathan N. Little

aa wrote:
Regarding top-posting - as I said, I am on 800x600 and got tired scrolling
down through all this shit. But if you like it, you can keep scolling

hint: "<snip>"
 
A

aa

Jonathan N. Little said:
Oh, I am very critical of my work. dorayme expressed it well, wish I that
time to redo everything!
You do not have to make excuses. Yet time is not an excuse in your case. If
instead of harassing me here you work on your site, it will be up to the
scratch
You opted spend your time differently
Although some could have couched criticism a bit, their points were very
valid.

I do not recall a single concrete piece of crittism. Will you fish them out?
Actually I remeber one. Someone was annoyed with bg shot and hit sounds. The
page is supposed to communicate an impression of shooting. Yet I was
expected to rush to remove the sounds only to please some pain in the neck
who fail to understand purpose of the site
Aside of the aesthetics
This is a technical html NG. I did not come here to discuss aesthetics. If
nevertheless I want, I'll ask
your site if fundamentally broken.
Again unactionable generalities
Images and text overlap
Which particular and at which resolution?
Tiny red text on black is very hard to read.
this is easy to correct. Yet when did you watch it last time? Perhaps you
sow 800x600 version in 1024x768? It has been changed.
The reason for black background is that the system in question is used in
darkness. Black bg helps to communicate that feeling
Red is because the system shoots red laser beams. Becides any color on black
bg is not too readable. But the color scheme is not discussed here. Font
size could be increased
What little CSS styling is used is poor:
"font-weight:bold; font-size:12px; font-family:tahoma;}"

Where exacly you got this line from? I do not recall it
12px is both too small and inflexible, Tahoma does not exist on my
Mandrake and Fedora systems and no general font family was specified
which means a serif font will be used.

see the prevuious remark
Ask a question and your going to get a direct response most
time, ask for critique and you'll get that too. Be a bit receptive and
you might find your markup may benefit.

Actually I did exactly this - I asked a question. But instead of technical
info I got moralizing.
If you consider yourself an expers and hang out here to help non-experts,
why not just to supply facts and stay away from moralizing?
It is up you an individual to take a decision basing on what he reads here.
Why you consider your duty to save his soul and keep turning him onto your
faith? Is this because you do not charge for advice, you take moral reward
this way?
Your goal of designing for two resolutions is
misguided, a point that has been belabored in this and the other thread.
The reliance on client-side script to build your page is a big error...
When you've been informed of this you have lash out and other have
reciprocated. Hey, this is not kindergarten and Barney-land (that damn
insiped purple dinosaur) where everything is sugar-coated, this is
Usenet.

See previous remark. Please do not start this again. Do something on your
site instead. Or explain me about the JS hit counters as you were going in
the next door thread but stalled.
 
A

aa

On top of that you are a little liar. You played with the setting of your
browser the make my page to look more ugly then it is.
But you failed to understand the page design which is very simply, btw. Now
you trapped yourself. If Javascript was disabled on your browser, then one
of the elements on the page would not show up. But is does show up in the
screenshot you published. Which means you lied about disabled JS. This trick
is just dirty
Besides your talk about that JavaScript hit counter you think you found,
reveals such a virgin ignorance which can be matched only with that
beautiful arrogance of yours.
 
C

Chaddy2222

aa said:
On top of that you are a little liar. You played with the setting of your
browser the make my page to look more ugly then it is.
No, I think you'll find it's your moronic design choice of only
designing for IE.

My sites work perfectly in every web browser you view them in.
Well, for the most part anyway.

Face it, your design is floored.
But you failed to understand the page design which is very simply, btw. Now
you trapped yourself. If Javascript was disabled on your browser, then one
of the elements on the page would not show up. But is does show up in the
screenshot you published. Which means you lied about disabled JS. This trick
is just dirty
IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH JS YOU **** WITT.
Besides your talk about that JavaScript hit counter you think you found,
reveals such a virgin ignorance which can be matched only with that
beautiful arrogance of yours.
I agree with BTS 100%!
View one of his sites, http://www.countryrode.com
NO leggicy code and it works in any UA, even your mobile phone.
 
B

Beauregard T. Shagnasty

aa said:
On top of that you are a little liar. You played with the setting of
your browser the make my page to look more ugly then it is.

Why don't you quit while you're behind?
 
C

Chaddy2222

Chaddy2222 said:
No, I think you'll find it's your moronic design choice of only
designing for IE.
Face it, your design is floored.
Just adding to that, I reduced the Zoom in Opera V 9 to 100% (the
default), and your site still looked very ugly.
I mean, G, i've only got 5% vision, and I have been able to produce
better looking more functional sites in the past.
 

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