disabling alt popup?

J

jspyro

Greetings!

I'm wondering if there is a way to disable the nasty little yello
boxes that appears in IE when one hoovers over an image with the alt
attribute set.
I mean, is there an other way to do it than simply setting alt to "

jspyr
 
L

Leif K-Brooks

jspyro said:
I'm wondering if there is a way to disable the nasty little yellow
boxes that appears in IE when one hoovers over an image with the alt
attribute set.

Get a better browser, like Mozilla.
 
L

Leif K-Brooks

Whitecrest said:
Why mislead a newbie like that? You are too cruel.

Mozilla doesn't have the incorrect behavior that the OP didn't want. It
blocks popups and spam. It's more secure. It has better standards
compliance.
 
M

Mark Parnell

Greetings!

I'm wondering if there is a way to disable the nasty little yellow
boxes that appears in IE when one hoovers over an image with the alt
attribute set.
I mean, is there an other way to do it than simply setting alt to ""

Set the title attribute as well. If you don't want anything in there,
try adding title="". From memory, that will stop IE from doing that,
though I can't remember offhand whether it causes side effects in other
browsers.
 
K

Kevin Scholl

Whitecrest said:
Why mislead a newbie like that? You are too cruel.

How is Leif's comment misleading? The manner in which IE handles ALT
attributes is incorrect. Therefore, this is a clear case where Mozilla
is indeed better, as it handles the ALT attribute correctly according to
the standard. Perfect example from our discussion in the "View source"
thread -- you may PREFER that the ALT pop up as a tooltip, but
QUALITATIVELY, doing so is incorrect.

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S

Safalra

Kevin Scholl said:
How is Leif's comment misleading? The manner in which IE handles ALT
attributes is incorrect. Therefore, this is a clear case where Mozilla
is indeed better, as it handles the ALT attribute correctly according to
the standard.

Are we looking at the same standard here? I see nothing that forbids
UAs giving access to alt-text as a tool tip.

--- Safalra (Stephen Morley) ---
http://www.safalra.com/hypertext
 
K

Kevin Scholl

Safalra said:
Are we looking at the same standard here? I see nothing that forbids
UAs giving access to alt-text as a tool tip.

That discussionhas been had ad naseum here and elsewhere. The TITLE
attribute is for tooltips. The ALT attribute was not intended for such
use, but rather for those who had/have text-only browsers, or images
turned off.

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K

Kris

How is Leif's comment misleading? The manner in which IE handles ALT
attributes is incorrect. Therefore, this is a clear case where Mozilla
is indeed better, as it handles the ALT attribute correctly according to
the standard.

Are we looking at the same standard here? I see nothing that forbids
UAs giving access to alt-text as a tool tip.[/QUOTE]

ALT = 'alternative' (means, instead of), not 'addition' ("beside this
image, did you know that...").
 
J

jspyro

Get a better browser, like Mozilla.
Heh, no problem there. I just figured I'd be nice to...people i
general, since there are still quite a few IE's out there.
(to be honest, I happen to have all my bookmarks in IE, dead end ;-)
Set the title attribute as well. If you don't want anything in there,
try adding title="".
That did the trick, thanks a lot!
though I can't remember offhand whether it causes side effects i
other browsers.

At least not in MozillaFirebird. I guess lynx users etc. won't be m
main audience..

jspyr
 
T

Toby A Inkster

Safalra said:
Are we looking at the same standard here? I see nothing that forbids
UAs giving access to alt-text as a tool tip.

There is nothing explicitly forbidding it, but the specs do tend to
suggest an either/or relationship -- that is either display the image or
the alt text, but not both.
 
R

Richard Cornford

That discussionhas been had ad naseum here and elsewhere. The
TITLE attribute is for tooltips. The ALT attribute was not
intended for such use, but rather for those who had/have
text-only browsers, or images turned off.

I have often thought that if TITLE was intended to be a tooltip then it
would have bean clearer to call the attribute TOOLTIP, though I don't
see any good reason why TITLE text should not be manifested as a
tooltip-like pop-up in visual browsers and it certainly seems a better
candidate for text intended to be a tooltip than ALT.

ALT on the other hand seems to be intended as an aid for when the image
cannot be properly perceived as an image. That might mean that images
have been turned off (or are unsupported), or it might mean that the
restricted perception is on the part of the user. That would directly
apply to visual impairment but might extend to other forms of
"disability" relating to perception (perhaps forms of Synesthesia?). In
the latter case the user might appreciate the ability to supplement
their problematic visual reading of the image with direct access to the
ALT text.

That makes me think that it would be better not to impose a particular
interpretation of the intention of these attributes on a browsers but
instead to make the possibilities available as user configurable
settings and impose no more than an initial default configuration.

Richard.
 
G

Glen Heater

Richard Cornford said:
if TITLE was intended to be a tooltip then it
would have bean clearer to call the attribute TOOLTIP

Who said it was intended to be a tooltip? That may be the way MS chose
to display it but other Operating systems/browsers may use other
methods. Mine displays such messages in an alert in the corner of the
screen, which is the way I'd expect it to appear on this OS.

I suppose there's no reason TITLE text couldn't appear in a bar or
something.


ALT on the other hand seems to be intended as an aid for when the image
cannot be properly perceived as an image.

"text that is rendered when the image cannot be displayed" is what the
specs say.

http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/objects.html

it might mean that the
restricted perception is on the part of the user. That would directly
apply to visual impairment but might extend to other forms of
"disability" relating to perception

Surely such people would rely on more specialist browsers or browsers
with modes/features to affect the way the page is interpreted/rendered
to aid them (such as Opera). There's no need for people with good
vision to have features forced upon them that were intended for
visually impaired people. It's more reasonable to expect someone who
can't 'percieve' images to disable them and have the alt text display
instead (or use whatever modes/settings the browser has to aid them).

the user might appreciate the ability to supplement
their problematic visual reading of the image with direct access to the
ALT text.

But the problem with this is that by supplementing something with its
intended alternative may result in confusion. There are many
occasions where my ALT text bears no connection to the image or its
purpose when rendered in a mainstream browser. To show that text
outside it's intended context makes no sense, however when a text or
speech browser interprets the page it makes sense. (in such cases I use
title="" to suppress the tooltips). An example is "Site navigation" as
the alt text of a logo because without CSS the logo is followed by a
list of links. It's only the CSS that puts the links and logo in two
different places in the screen in a modern graphical browser.

If I had a photo of an object or place then the longdesc attribute
would be a preferred method of helping visually impaired users '
perceive' that image. I'd probably not want to use ALT text for that
since a picture paints a thousand words :)

it would be better not to impose a particular
interpretation of the intention of these attributes on a browsers but
instead to make the possibilities available as user configurable
settings and impose no more than an initial default configuration.

if the specs were so ambiguous the attributes would be next to useless
as different authors would have different opinions about how they
should be used, and different users would have varing settings.. so how
could you ever know if your alt text would work as intended. Users
would find that the nature of alt/title text varied so much that they'd
probably disable it along with Javascript warnings.

Specs are only as good as they are precise.
 

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