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Bergamot
rf said:
Yeah, I noticed. They probably didn't consider that the same people
subscribe to both ciwas-d and alt.html groups.
I can't imagine where they came up with this. More cluelessness, no
doubt.
Yeah, I noticed. They probably didn't consider that the same people
subscribe to both ciwas-d and alt.html groups.
I can't imagine where they came up with this. More cluelessness, no
doubt.
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Mika
Bergamot said:Yeah, I noticed. They probably didn't consider that the same people
subscribe to both ciwas-d and alt.html groups.
Someone here helpfully suggested that group would be best placed to answer
future queries. You can find that suggestion in this thread. Then we take
that advice, and someone else has a complaint with it. That's fine! It's
funny!
I can't imagine where they came up with this. More cluelessness, no
doubt.
Our streetscape on Oxford Street is very wide, and it scrolls from one end
of a very wide div to the other. You only see a small portion of it through
the window, but it is there Opera is the only browser that is incapable of
supporting scrolling of a div that wide.
We know, we could rewrite the entire site from scratch, however when you
balance the cost and time of that with supporting a browser which 1% of the
people *arriving* at our site have, and they all have IE installed anyway if
they wish to use it after consulting our FAQ, then that is the choice we
made. We understand the objections to it, however it was a carefully
considered decision and that is the one we as the designers of our site have
the right to make.
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Mika
Bergamot said:
Oh. My. God. Well, just for fun, we are going to help you with the plain
English we used. Ready? Are you sitting down? Here we go...
We said, "The online sites we link to are UK SHOPS".
You replied, "When did Miami, Beverly Hills, San Francisco, and New York
relocate to the UK?"
Solution to the puzzle:
Miami, Beverley Hills, SF, and NY are not... "SHOPS"... *gasp*. They are
funny things called "States".
Now let's think about this Berg. Did we say, "The online sites we link to
are UK STATES"? Or did we say, "The online sites we link to are UK SHOPS"?
Hmm... are you getting warm yet?
That's right! Clever boy!
You got it! All 3 full Streetscapes are UK streets. The other 'Street-lites' are link to brands you'd find around the
world, and they all still link to *UK* shop websites.
Why? Because you can't actually have a truly international shopping site
where all or even most products are available to be delivered to visitors
from all countries. Virtually no single retailer supports this delivery
structure. The USA is reknowned for not allowing UK delivery addresses when
shopping at its websites. Even Amazon have not managed this on the whole,
so they split their site into UK, USA, Germany, Australia, etc. to solve the
problem.
Berg, let's help you understand. We are a small startup. We have chosen to
start in the UK. It could have been USA or Australia if we lived there, but
we are in the UK.
If we get big, sure, one day Superhighstreet.COM (which means 'Commercial',
not 'USA', and is used by the majority of British websites) will be our
global portal, and redirect you to our .co.uk, .au and all other
country-specific sites just like Amazon, but for now, as we are just
beginning, is it okay by you if we just support one country at the start?
Like just about every single website that has ever been launched in the
history of mankind did? Is that okay? Please Berg? Pretty please? Only
with your consent to this ludicrous proposal of ours can we ever find the
comfort to go on!...
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Mika
Thanks Ed, this is helpful.
These are your most local hops, and they are timing out. I would take this
up urgently with your ISP, explaining they were hops towards a UK server.
That would explain your extended delay.
Finally you reach the UK where we are able to have some control!...
Thanks again for the info. Very useful.
Mika
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Mika
dorayme said:
Incredibly, it didn't cross our minds
Mika
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rf
Last time I was there (and yes, I have been to all of them, except Miami)
they were either cities or suburbs of some city. States are much bigger
things, like California. Well, you might get away with calling NY a state
but most people differentiate between New York, the city and Upstate New
York, or New York State, the state.
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Mika
rf said:
My sincere apologies for any distress caused to any cities or their families
by calling them states. It is early in the morning and I was referring of
course just to the state of NY, rather than the city of New York, NY.
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Randy Webb
Mika said the following on 11/26/2007 4:48 PM:
After 60 seconds on an 8mb Cable line, and being asked twice if I wanted
to cancel the script, I canceled it. The sound on there is annoying though.
What you might want to do, for testing, is to make a "dummy" copy of it
and add a timer to the page to tell any potential user/tester how long
it took to load the page.
Set a variable to a new Date() at the very beginning of the page, then
after the last script has executed, and the page is "ready", take a
second new Date() and compare them. Then insert it in the page to tell
the user "This page took: ### time to download and be ready". It would
keep people from having to guess at how long it took because they aren't
sure it is finished loading yet.
After 60 seconds on an 8mb Cable line, and being asked twice if I wanted
to cancel the script, I canceled it. The sound on there is annoying though.
What you might want to do, for testing, is to make a "dummy" copy of it
and add a timer to the page to tell any potential user/tester how long
it took to load the page.
Set a variable to a new Date() at the very beginning of the page, then
after the last script has executed, and the page is "ready", take a
second new Date() and compare them. Then insert it in the page to tell
the user "This page took: ### time to download and be ready". It would
keep people from having to guess at how long it took because they aren't
sure it is finished loading yet.
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Mika
Randy Webb said:
What sound? We removed the sound the day before you posted the above
message. We also sped up the site significantly. Feel free to test again
today, which would be more relevant.
Thanks.
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Randy Webb
Mika said the following on 11/28/2007 5:19 AM:
It was cache related. Reloaded and no sound now.
I posted it 2 hours ago. Not sure why, but I got sound the first two
times I tested it. Just tried again and the sound is gone.
Unless you have changed something in the last 2 hours, it won't change
anything. Although this time, I don't get the hourglass and script
warning and it seems to load fairly quickly. Didn't time it though.
It was cache related. Reloaded and no sound now.
I posted it 2 hours ago. Not sure why, but I got sound the first two
times I tested it. Just tried again and the sound is gone.
Unless you have changed something in the last 2 hours, it won't change
anything. Although this time, I don't get the hourglass and script
warning and it seems to load fairly quickly. Didn't time it though.
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Mika said:
which is probably the most standards-compliant browser available. It's
the only one to pass the Acid2 test. (But I believe I've already
mentioned this.)
What, no Opera? Next, we'll find a note on the page that says, "Sorry,
Jamaicans can't shop here." <snorkle>
Oh, and your iframe does work for me with Opera 9.23.
Only those using Windows...
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty
rf said:
Do you speak Spanish? ;-)
We Upstate New Yorkers [1] sometimes wish that *Downstate* New York
could be cut off and pushed out to sea. Or give 'em to Connecticut and
New Jersey. Our taxes would halve.
1. I'm actually halfway between "Upstate" and "Western" New York.
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty
There is no problem with his ISP. That merely indicates those two hops
(which could very well be his own router and cable modem) do not respond
to pings and traceroutes.
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Mika
That's great to know Randy. Rough time guess would be appreciated.
Mika
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andrew
[...]
Hmmm.... I appreciate that in the beginning of this thread you were
asking about Firefox, but if you go down the road of aiming at IE you
will be deliberately excluding those of us who run Linux. IE runs on
Linux but it is a bit of a pain to get running and most don't.
Andrew
Hmmm.... I appreciate that in the beginning of this thread you were
asking about Firefox, but if you go down the road of aiming at IE you
will be deliberately excluding those of us who run Linux. IE runs on
Linux but it is a bit of a pain to get running and most don't.
Andrew
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Mika
Beauregard T. Shagnasty said:
Zzz yes you did... if you think regular web surfers know or care...
No, then I'd be racist like some people here.
You're on the wrong street. Oxford Street does not load properly on Opera,
does it?
Hahah you guys are hilarious! If they don't have Windows, then they have
Safari installed, which the site is also written for! What the heck are you
going on about? :-S
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Mika
andrew said:
The site is fully FF compliant, as well as Safari, and always will be. We
just said Opera does not support our scrolling div width.
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Mika said:Zzz yes you did... if you think regular web surfers know or care...
Probably not, but _you_ should.
Oh, I didn't realize you had different templates for different streets.
We've been looking at George Street for so long ...
[checks Oxford] The street starts with a London bus with a Harrod's ad
on the side of it, then horizontally scrolls down the street if I wish
to do so. I don't see any difference from George.
My Linux distro did not come with Safari installed.
What the heck are you going on about? :-S
You said, "they all have IE installed anyway"
...for some value of "all", I suppose.
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Mika
Beauregard T. Shagnasty said:
Glad we agree on something.
You really gotta trust us when we say it does not work. Oxford Street on
Opera only goes as far as House of Fraser, then Opera's limitation is
reached. Load Oxford Street in IE or FF and you'll see it goes on for over
a mile.
Please, no more arguing for the sake of it. We know it doesn't work with
Opera, and we don't need to convince anyone else of that fact.
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rf
Beauregard T. Shagnasty said:
No. Why? Not many Spaniards over here. Although funilly enough the girl down
the end of the street grew up in Spain and speaks it well.
Spent some weeks with friends in Utica, skiing in all the upstate areas.
Placid down to the Finger Lakes and over to Vermont. That was about 5 or so
years ago, the year the snow dumped all the way down to South Carolina and
shut it down. Had to brush a foot of snow off the rent-a-car every morning
in Placid.
Very Nice part of the planet