Easter

[John Hosking]

John Hosking wrote:


Look at the screen capture Chris F.A. Johnson just linked to:

http://cfaj.freeshell.org/testing/www.arngren.net.jpg

Ah, I see. Quite nasty.

I can reproduce that look here, too. I just have to scroll up the text
size (even one notch) from the too-small-but-kewl size the site assumes
I'm using. I hadn't upsized before because I wasn't actually trying to
*read* the damn page.

 

[Travis Newbury]

Love his contingency plan for if his sites is hacked!

The author of that site is obviously a brainless follower

 

[Travis Newbury]

http://blinkynet.net/stuff/comp/giantspoons.jpg

what? No coke spoons?

 

[Bergamot]

On 2008-03-12, Blinky the Shark wrote:
...

Is it possible that there are circumstances under which the page
actually works?

I don't think so. It's bad enough as is, but is completely unusable with
CSS disabled, too. Sure, it stops all the overlaps, but then nothing is
in the correct order - pictures and associated text can be miles apart.

It's a great example of the evils of absolute positioning, and the evils
of tools like yahoo's site builder. homestead.com is even worse, IMO.

<http://cfaj.freeshell.org/testing/www.arngren.net.jpg>

kewl

 

[mrcakey]

I don't think so. It's bad enough as is, but is completely unusable with
CSS disabled, too. Sure, it stops all the overlaps, but then nothing is
in the correct order - pictures and associated text can be miles apart.

It's a great example of the evils of absolute positioning, and the evils
of tools like yahoo's site builder. homestead.com is even worse, IMO.


kewl

All those arguments we've been having about fixed versus liquid layout I
think could have been stopped in an instant with this URL! I know I would
have shut up anyway!

That said, in Firefox at normal font size I think it's got a "so ugly it's
beautiful" kind of charm about it.

+mrcakey

 

[mrcakey]

http://www.pc-mobile.net/index.htm

He's got some good gear, pity about the site design!
PhilK

That's quite spectacular. Not the ugliest, but it doens't inspire me to
give them my credit card details. Maybe my credit card from 1994, which
appears to be where their store is located...

+mrcakey

 

[mrcakey]

Love his contingency plan for if his sites is hacked!

Did one of you guys actually hack his site?!!!! It's gone now!

+mrcakey

 

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Not even close. Check out:

http://www.rogerart.com/

That gives me "Directory Listing Denied
This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed."

This one is a huge download; wait for it if you're on a slow connection;
it's worth it:

http://www.arngren.net/

Agreed. It's horrible. Still, I'm not sure it's more horrible than frogylady.

 

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Here's another, but it you may not see what I'm seeing (in FF).

Doesn't look too bad with iCab. It's no thing of beauty, but I've much nastier.

 

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Well, he has a stutter "big><big><big><big><big><big><big><big>"

Ah, that explains why it doesn't look so bad with iCab, which doesn't
pay attention to nested <big> elements.

 

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Well 'course, and therein lies much of its charisma. Visual art can take
on unusual and unexpected forms. Perhaps the technique is, uh, too subtle
for your tastes.

"subtle" is not the word that springs to mind!

 

[Neredbojias]

"subtle" is not the word that springs to mind!

<grin>

True, but you have to keep in mind that when people get older like a lot of
the foggies here, "subtle" expands in both scope and degree. This may, of
course, be a simply natural response and compensation for other things
which chronologically deflate in many.

 

[Blinky the Shark]

Ah, I see. Quite nasty.

I can reproduce that look here, too. I just have to scroll up the text

I get something like that without any tweaking; I trust F.A. did, too.

size (even one notch) from the too-small-but-kewl size the site assumes
I'm using. I hadn't upsized before because I wasn't actually trying to
*read* the damn page.

I wonder if he has a contact link. No, I'm NOT going to try to find it.

 

[Blinky the Shark]

That's quite spectacular. Not the ugliest, but it doens't inspire me to
give them my credit card details. Maybe my credit card from 1994, which
appears to be where their store is located...

<chuckle>

 

[Blinky the Shark]

Did one of you guys actually hack his site?!!!! It's gone now!

I think the cabal [tinc] had something to do with it.

 

[Blinky the Shark]

That gives me "Directory Listing Denied This Virtual Directory does not
allow contents to be listed."



Agreed. It's horrible. Still, I'm not sure it's more horrible than
frogylady.

Did you see this screencap of arngren? That's about what I see, too.
I suspect you're not seeing it in all this glory.

http://cfaj.freeshell.org/testing/www.arngren.net.jpg

Nothing I see at frogylady compares with *that*.

 

[dorayme]

That said, in Firefox at normal font size I think it's got a "so ugly it's
beautiful" kind of charm about it.

It is just straight out beautiful, not just charming. It is
especially lovely because it has the MD-500 Helicopter
Dobbel-Rotor which is very stable in flight. The Hughes 300 is
more challenging to fly but rewarding when you get the knack.
Don't buy the Apache until you have experience. They are heavy,
expensive and you can do your dough in the first minutes with a
bad crash.

 

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Did you see this screencap of arngren? That's about what I see, too.
I suspect you're not seeing it in all this glory.

http://cfaj.freeshell.org/testing/www.arngren.net.jpg

Nothing I see at frogylady compares with *that*.

You're right. My browser didn't convey the full awfulness of arngren.
I'll need to ask for a refund.

 

[Toby A Inkster]

This one is a huge download; wait for it if you're on a slow connection;
it's worth it:

http://www.arngren.net/

Holy fuckaroni!

I can just imagine the business owner saying, "I don't want to confuse our
customers with multiple pages; list all our products on our front page,
with images. But I don't want to have to scroll down page after page to
see it all; try to fit it all into three screen-fulls.

"No, I won't reduce our product range."

--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
[Geek of HTML/SQL/Perl/PHP/Python/Apache/Linux]
[OS: Linux 2.6.17.14-mm-desktop-9mdvsmp, up 44 days, 16:48.]
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The Semantic Web
http://tobyinkster.co.uk/blog/2008/03/09/sw/

 

[Blinky the Shark]

Holy fuckaroni!

Various people have reported a range of fuckedupness, depending on
browsers and settings. Chris Johnson posted this screencap that's even
worse that what I've seen at arngren -- see how it compares to what you
saw:

http://cfaj.freeshell.org/testing/www.arngren.net.jpg