editors/IDEs

[Jamie Orchard-Hays]

I'm curious what people are favoring for editors and IDEs for Ruby.
I've been playing with TextMate, but coming from Intellij, I miss all
the completion.

Thanks,
Jamie

 

[Phlip]

I'm curious what people are favoring for editors and IDEs for Ruby.
I've been playing with TextMate, but coming from Intellij, I miss all
the completion.

sigh<

Scite.

<a beat>

I'm such a laaaamer! I'm a sucker for hitting <F5>, and a script just runs!

 

[Brian Schröder]

I'm curious what people are favoring for editors and IDEs for Ruby.
I've been playing with TextMate, but coming from Intellij, I miss all
the completion.

Thanks,
Jamie

xemacs, can be configured to do everything you dream up, and has a package for everything I dreamt about

There was a thread on ruby-forum
http://www.ruby-forum.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=72

regards,

brian

 

[Ollivier Robert]

I'm curious what people are favoring for editors and IDEs for Ruby. I've
been playing with TextMate, but coming from Intellij, I miss all the
completion.

TextMate (which I also used and have registered) does completion
(based on what has alreay been typed in the file) and also has "snippets"
where you can completely define the completion (even with placeholders...).

Recommended (on OSX only though).

 

[James Edward Gray II]

TextMate (which I also used and have registered) does completion
(based on what has alreay been typed in the file) and also has
"snippets"
where you can completely define the completion (even with
placeholders...).

Recommended (on OSX only though).

I'm keeping an eye on TextMate. I'll even admit that it has some
features that I could really get into, but...

For my money, BBEdit is still king on Mac OS X. I've been using BBEdit
for many years now and it's just hard to beat the raw power that it
offers through an elegant interface, in my opinion.

The "Find..." dialog in BBEdit is quite possibly perfect. It's a
massive selection of options that allow you to quickly locate or change
anything in the current file or a group of files you can specify
countless different ways. Beyond that one dialog, there is a huge
"Search" menu that complements it wonderfully. I need that everyday
and couldn't live without it.

BBEdit's "Markup" menu is a handy tool, the "Text" manipulation menu
does most of the mundane tasks of text management for me, CVS and Unix
script integration is smooth, the new "Text Factories" make mass
editing trivial... I could go on and on.

One thing that REALLY sets BBEdit apart from other GUI editors though
is that you can have it anyway you like it. Open "Preferences..." and
your eyes will bulge. It takes awhile to figure out what everything
controls, but when you do, you'll edit in an environment customized to
the way you think. You can change any menu keyboard shortcut and add
your own. This means a lot to me. I want to edit how I want to edit,
not how some designer thinks I should want to edit.

To be fair, BBEdit's price tag comes with more than a little sticker
shock, though for me it has been very worth it. Also, along the lines
of the original post, BBEdit doesn't have an auto-completion feature
(save Glossary items you build). Code folding, another popular topic
here, is not yet implemented either.

My vote is BBEdit, but I know how personal attachment to an editor is.
Given that, I suggest that you try things out. Most editors offer some
form of "demo". Find what speaks to you and use that.

James Edward Gray II

 

[Lothar Scholz]

Hello Jamie,

JOH> I'm curious what people are favoring for editors and IDEs for Ruby.
JOH> I've been playing with TextMate, but coming from Intellij, I miss all
JOH> the completion.

I think that at the moment there are only 3 maybe 4 useable IDE's out
there (i sorted them by personal preference :

1) Arachno Ruby
2) XEmacs
3) VI
4) RDE (?)

At the moment none of them have completition (more then simple and unintelligent
repeated text completition). Even the best Ruby IDE written by the
best programmers with infinite time can't give you Code Insight that
is working correctly in more then a few percent of your code. Same
with refactoring. You are not using Java anymore so forget about most
of the tools you used with Intellij. With ruby you changed technology,
so you also have to change your tools and working style.

What you can expect is a really good integration of "ri"/rubydoc.
Unfortunately this is a very young technology that is now useable
with 1.8.2. So maybe in a year or so the situation is getting a little bit
better (for all IDE's that are under active development). At least for
Arachno Ruby i can promise you that this will happen during the next
spring/summer.

 

[Zach Dennis]

Hello Jamie,

JOH> I'm curious what people are favoring for editors and IDEs for Ruby.
JOH> I've been playing with TextMate, but coming from Intellij, I miss all
JOH> the completion.

I think that at the moment there are only 3 maybe 4 useable IDE's out
there (i sorted them by personal preference :

1) Arachno Ruby
2) XEmacs
3) VI
4) RDE (?)

5) Eclipse w/the RDT plugin
6) SciTe (no fancy features except code folding)
7) Crimson Editor (no fancy features)
8) Mondrian IDE

Zach

 

[Jamie Orchard-Hays]

My trial period on BBEdit 8 just ran out and it hasn't convinced me to buy
it. It has a way of doing things that I don't quite like, though it is
improved. It doesn't do completion either. So, in that sense it doesn't
suite my purposes for Ruby either. I'm also surprised that its search tool
is slower than BBEdit Lite's and doesn't cache the results like TextPad
(Windoze tool) so it's faster the next time.

TextMate is pretty cool, but rough around the edges. It's got the Ruby menu,
but the last thing I want to do is use a menu-driven way of inserting
methods, blocks, etc. It's horribly ineffecient to me. Type reach for the
track pad, open menu, find, click. UGH! (Also something I don't like about
BBEdit's html menus.) I'll definitely be keeping my eye on it. Hopefully
they will get their emacs bindings straight.

SubEthaEdit actually is a bit richer in terms of its key bindings that
TextMate (the emacs bindings are better), but doesn't have the Ruby
integration and notion of projects.

My ideal editor would be something like TexMate with real completion ala irb
with completion on and then an ability to click through to classes and
methods, but now we're getting into IDE territory.

Jamie




----- Original Message -----
From: "James Edward Gray II" <[email protected]>
To: "ruby-talk ML" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: editors/IDEs

 

[Jamie Orchard-Hays]

VI is an IDE? LOL!

So no editors/IDEs yet have the capability of irb -r irb/completion?

Jamie


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lothar Scholz" <[email protected]>
To: "ruby-talk ML" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Cc: "ruby-talk ML" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: editors/IDEs

 

[Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng]

VI is an IDE? LOL!

Did you mention vim? Things to look at (help commands):
:he complete
Word completion based on what is in the buffer already
:he compiler (see also :he make)
collect error messages from programs and jump to those lines.
:he syntax
Syntax highlighting
:he ai
autoindent (see also :he si (smartindent))
:he fdm
foldmethod syntax
:he matchit
Allows jumping to next if...else...end case...when...else...end
class...end (see also :he * (jump to next occurrence of word)

In case that helps. Editor choice is very personal.
Hugh

 

[Ville Mattila]

5) Eclipse w/the RDT plugin
6) SciTe (no fancy features except code folding)
7) Crimson Editor (no fancy features)
8) Mondrian IDE

My ruby ide/editor history is
1) xemacs
2) eclipse, I've send patches for ruby code parse
3) xemacs (eclipse's bad auto-identatation and vanishing ruby
debugger
plugin were intolerable
4) arachno ruby. Great code browser, great find utilities, great
editor, Very intuitive IDE, after small learning curve. I still
miss hippie-expand functionality from xemacs

- Ville

 

[Benjamin Peterson]

I'm curious what people are favoring for editors and IDEs for Ruby.
I've been playing with TextMate, but coming from Intellij, I miss all
the completion.

Thanks,
Jamie

Dear Jamie,

vim

Regards,
Benjamin

P.S. To enable intellisense-style completion without the cumbersome
external plugin, please send money and psychological pressure to Bram
Moolenaar, the maintainer.

 

[Archit Baweja]

Hey all,

How about my pet project? I haven't worked on it for close to an year,
but its a Ruby IDE written entirely in ruby.

ore.rubyforge.org

HTH

Archit

 

[Richard Dale]

5) Eclipse w/the RDT plugin
6) SciTe (no fancy features except code folding)
7) Crimson Editor (no fancy features)
8) Mondrian IDE

Early days, but KDevelop in the KDE cvs HEAD is coming on nicely. It has a
ruby source code debugger, class browser, Qt Designer RAD UI design
integration and so on. It doesn't have ruby code completion yet though.

-- Richard

 

[Simon Strandgaard]

Lots of talk in this thread about editors/IDE's.
If anybody care about editors/IDEs written entirely in Ruby (thus also
scriptable in Ruby), please consider to support.

AFAIK there exists these free open source projects

Ruvi,
Diakonos,
FreeRIDE,
Mondrian,
AEditor

These projects are written more or less entirely in Ruby.

What is the future for Ruby based editors?

 

[Felipe Malta de Oliveira]

I may be totally off here, but isn't it possible to do something like irb
completion inside jEdit using the hooks it gives to scripting and this
scripting framework from Apache? I ask because I don't have the necessary
amount of knowledge to do so myself neither the time at this present moment
to look more into it, and this list is full of bright and *very* intelligent
people.

If you ask me, one of the main obstacles to either newbies or people coming
from languages such as Java and/or other static languages to the Ruby world
is the lack of something like auto-completion in the tools they used to use
and know where they came from, like IntelliJ and Eclipse.The evils of
intelli-sense style technology

I know that given the dinaymic nature of Ruby it is very hard to do
something like auto-completion, such was one topic some time ago here on the
list, but what about some primitive completion like irb does?

Pardon my ignorance on the subject and thanks for reading this.

Cheers,

Felipe

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From: "itsme213" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby
To: "ruby-talk ML" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: editors/IDEs

 

[Francis Hwang]

I may be totally off here, but isn't it possible to do something like
irb
completion inside jEdit using the hooks it gives to scripting and this
scripting framework from Apache? I ask because I don't have the
necessary
amount of knowledge to do so myself neither the time at this present
moment
to look more into it, and this list is full of bright and *very*
intelligent
people.

We discussed this just a month ago:
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/117836

Rob got it working in JEdit, but he's said it's pretty bloody slow.

Francis Hwang
http://fhwang.net/

 

[Lothar Scholz]

Hello Felipe,

FMdO> If you ask me, one of the main obstacles to either newbies or people coming
FMdO> from languages such as Java and/or other static languages to the Ruby world
FMdO> is the lack of something like auto-completion in the tools they used to use
FMdO> and know where they came from, like IntelliJ and Eclipse.The evils of
FMdO> intelli-sense style technology

FMdO> I know that given the dinaymic nature of Ruby it is very hard to do
FMdO> something like auto-completion, such was one topic some time ago here on the
FMdO> list, but what about some primitive completion like irb does?

Okay i will write an article about this over christmas, because i
spend a full week (fulltime + spare time) where i was doing nothing then
thinking about this intelli-sense problem, trying to find a heuristic
for adhoc analysis of ruby source code.

You can't compare irb with an editor when it comes to completion. They
are completely different worlds. In irb you can simply look at the
type of the variable you work with but this is easy to implement. But
in a text editor you have no hint except to look at the source
code.

As a homework assignment take a file from a standart library that you
dont now very well, remove all comments and then pick up some code
randomly and find out which type (or types) a vaiable at that place can
hold. Doing this, even with human intelligence is hard. After this try
to find computable rules about how you found it, then you will understand
the problem much better. It's just a 10 min excercise and a good way
to get a feel for ruby.

If you are allready an experienced ruby programmer take the file
"tk.rb" and try to do the same without asking Nobu.

There are some advanced features that may make it possible to give
better results (feedback analysis in a way modern profiler use it).
But these are very far away in the future.

 

[Nicholas Van Weerdenburg]

ArachnoRuby is awesome. I now use it all the time on Windows. On the
Mac, I use VIM and am now looking at TextMate, which looks elegant and
inuitive. I plan to look at FreeRide again next release.

Nick