editors...

[iceman]

as a long time frontpage designer, i have finally learned the error of
my ways and have begun the switch to strict html and css.
during this process, notepad has been my tool but i see many other
editing programs out there such as ultraedit and top style. i don't
want a wyswyg program and was wondering what more experienced html
designers prefer.
thanks!

iceman

 

[Dylan Parry]

i don't want a wyswyg program and was wondering what more experienced
html designers prefer.

HTML-Kit from Chami. http://www.chami.com/html-kit/

 

[David Dorward]

during this process, notepad has been my tool but i see many other
editing programs out there such as ultraedit and top style. i don't
want a wyswyg program and was wondering what more experienced html
designers prefer.

http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?HTML_editors

We also prefer to read sentences which begin with capital letters, it makes
paragraphs much easier to read.

 

[Nico Schuyt]

HTML-Kit from Chami. http://www.chami.com/html-kit/

Why is that such a good editor? I did a quick test some time ago and:
- Converting a selection of paragraphs into a list only resulted in adding
start- en end tags <ul></ul>
- Not possible to convert (for example) comma separated text into a table
- No possibility to apply classes or id's from stylesheets on selected text
- Clumsy help dialogue

 

[Travis Newbury]

as a long time frontpage designer, i have finally learned the error of
my ways and have begun the switch to strict html and css.
during this process, notepad has been my tool but i see many other
editing programs out there such as ultraedit and top style. i don't
want a wyswyg program and was wondering what more experienced html
designers prefer.
thanks!

I like Topstyle

 

[Dylan Parry]

- Converting a selection of paragraphs into a list only resulted in adding
start- en end tags <ul></ul>

This problem is one that I found at first, but then realised that I was
using the wrong tool. There is one button for applying <ol> or <ul>
elements, and another for converting paragraphs to list items.

Of course, you could write your own plugin to merge the two operations.
This is the main reason that I find this editor good; I can write my own
little plugins to automate monotonous tasks and insert code around and
augment existing code.

 

[the idiot]

as a long time frontpage designer, i have finally learned the error of
my ways and have begun the switch to strict html and css.
during this process, notepad has been my tool but i see many other
editing programs out there such as ultraedit and top style. i don't
want a wyswyg program and was wondering what more experienced html
designers prefer.
thanks!

iceman

i use ace html pro and top style.

 

[mscir]

Why is that such a good editor? I did a quick test some time ago and:
- Converting a selection of paragraphs into a list only resulted in adding
start- en end tags <ul></ul>
- Not possible to convert (for example) comma separated text into a table
- No possibility to apply classes or id's from stylesheets on selected text
- Clumsy help dialogue

Chami is still very involved in the development of HTML-Kit, if you
follow his newsgroup it's not at all uncommon for him to generate a new
plug-in very quickly (to do specific jobs like the ones you listed)
based upon user requests. I dumped FrontPage and started using HTML-Kit
and I've never had my html changed as FP sometimes did, no regrets.

Mike

 

[Edwin van der Vaart]

as a long time frontpage designer, i have finally learned the error of
my ways and have begun the switch to strict html and css.
during this process, notepad has been my tool but i see many other
editing programs out there such as ultraedit and top style. i don't
want a wyswyg program and was wondering what more experienced html
designers prefer.

Good start with.
http://www.html-faq.com/editor/?editors

 

[Toby Inkster]

i don't want a wyswyg program and was wondering what more experienced
html designers prefer.

I like Nedit, but it's probably not a good choice on Windows. (There is a
Windows version, but you'll need an X server to use it.)

Try SciTE.

 

[Nico Schuyt]

Chami is still very involved in the development of HTML-Kit, if you
follow his newsgroup it's not at all uncommon for him to generate a
new plug-in very quickly (to do specific jobs like the ones you
listed) based upon user requests.

Specific? IMO it's concerning tasks a webdesigner performs very often.

I dumped FrontPage and started
using HTML-Kit and I've never had my html changed as FP sometimes
did, no regrets.

FP is a bad editor but it has the features I mentioned an never changed my
HTML

 

[iceman]

Specific? IMO it's concerning tasks a webdesigner performs very often.




FP is a bad editor but it has the features I mentioned an never changed my
HTML

I've had tags dropped and formats improperly set up but didn't know it
till i started getting into html seriously. Was greatly disturbed at
what i saw and kind of embarressed at how unprofessional my
"professional" work really was. Had to go back and change a ton of
little things that FrontPage either missed or did wrong. Then there is
the stuff it wouldn't let me do...

 

[Don]

On 10 Apr 2005 iceman wrote in alt.html

as a long time frontpage designer, i have finally learned the error of
my ways and have begun the switch to strict html and css.
during this process, notepad has been my tool but i see many other
editing programs out there such as ultraedit and top style. i don't
want a wyswyg program and was wondering what more experienced html
designers prefer.
thanks!

iceman

brucies list

HTML
free:
jedit: http://www.jedit.org/
nedit: http://www.nedit.org/
ewisoft: http://www.ewisoft.com/
netpadd: http://www.netpadd.com/
araneae: http://www.araneae.com/
1st page: http://www.evrsoft.com/
crimson: http://crimsoneditor.com/
ezpad: http://www.mmedia.is/ezpad/
acehtml: http://freeware.acehtml.com/
notetab light: http://www.notetab.com/
html-kit: http://www.chami.com/html-kit/
context: http://www.fixedsys.com/context/
pspad: http://www.pspad.com/en/index.html
websmill: http://www.xtreeme.com/websmill/
metapad: http://www.liquidninja.com/metapad/
quanta (linux): http://quanta.sourceforge.net/
tswebeditor: http://thaler.ennstal.at/tswebeditor/
notespad: http://www.newbie.net/NotesPad/index.html
grey matter pro: http://www.pagetutor.com/misc/grey.html
editpad lite: http://www.editpadlite.com/editpadlite.html
stones webwrite: http://www.webwriter.dk/english/index.htm
matizha sublime: http://www.matizha.com/en/products/sublime/

not free:
textpad: http://www.textpad.com/ [$30]
notetab: http://www.notetab.com/ [$10+]
editplus: http://www.editplus.com/ [$30]
ultraedit: http://www.idmcomp.com/ [$35]
editpad: http://www.editpadpro.com/ [$40]
hypertext studio: http://www.olsonsoft.com/ [$100]
namo: http://www.namo.com/products/webeditor/ [$90]
acehtml pro: http://www.visicommedia.com/acehtml/ [$50]
ibm websphere: http://www-3.ibm.com/software/webservers/hpbuilder/ [$70]
spider writer: http://www.actiprosoftware.com/Products/SpiderWriter/ [$80]

PHP
phpedit: http://phpedit.org/ [$0]
Winsyntax: http://winsyntax.com/ [$0]
HydraPHP: http://www.coldmind.com/ [comming soon]
devphp: http://devphp.sourceforge.net/ [$0]
phped: http://www.nusphere.com/products/ [$300]
top php studio: http://www.top-systems.net/ [$30]
dzsoft php editor: http://www.dzsoft.com/dzphp.htm [$40]
Expert Editor: http://www.ankord.com/phpxedit.html [$35]
komodo: http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/ [$30+]
phpcoder: http://www.phpide.com/go/programs/php_coder.htm [$0]
Davor's PHP Editor: http://www.pleskina.com/dphped/main.php [$0]
maguma studio/workbench: http://www.maguma.com/products/?article=Studio
{$40+]

XML
xopus: http://xopus.com/ [$850]
editml: http://www.editml.com/ [$90+]
xmlpro2: http://www.vervet.com/ [$0]
cooktop: http://www.xmlcooktop.com/ [$0]
xray: http://www.architag.com/xray/ [$0]
xmlwriter: http://www.xmlwriter.net/ [$100]
oxygen pro: http://www.oxygenxml.com/ [$100]
blueprint: http://www.xmlblueprint.com/ [$45]
xmlmind: http://www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor/ [$0/$220]
peters xml eiditor: http://www.iol.ie/~pxe/ [$0]
xmlspy: http://www.xmlspy.com/products_ide.html [$400]
morphon: http://www.morphon.com/xmleditor/index.shtml [$0]
turboxml:
http://www.tibco.com/solutions/products/extensibility/turbo_xml.jsp [$270]

 

[Nico Schuyt]

iceman wrote

brucies list
[enormous list with URL's of editors]

That's not an answer to his question

 

[Samuël van Laere]

as a long time frontpage designer, i have finally learned the error of
my ways and have begun the switch to strict html and css.
during this process, notepad has been my tool but i see many other
editing programs out there such as ultraedit and top style. i don't
want a wyswyg program and was wondering what more experienced html
designers prefer.
thanks!

iceman

I use NVU http://www.nvu.com/
It does has WYSIWYG features but one doesn't have to use it,
its rendering engine is based on Mozilla's Gecko I believe.
Next to that I use Topstyle, only cause I don't like NVU's CSS editor.
There plenty free editors out there, try some and use the one you like best.

Cheers,
Samuël van Laere

 

[Big Bill]

I've had tags dropped and formats improperly set up but didn't know it
till i started getting into html seriously. Was greatly disturbed at
what i saw and kind of embarressed at how unprofessional my
"professional" work really was. Had to go back and change a ton of
little things that FrontPage either missed or did wrong. Then there is
the stuff it wouldn't let me do...

Like halfway decent html.

BB

 

[William Hamby]

as a long time frontpage designer, i have finally learned the error of
my ways and have begun the switch to strict html and css.
during this process, notepad has been my tool but i see many other
editing programs out there such as ultraedit and top style. i don't
want a wyswyg program and was wondering what more experienced html
designers prefer.
thanks!

iceman

The reason FrontPage is evil is in the proprietary markup it forces
upon your work. As for any other editor, as long as you know how to
properly code, it makes no difference what editor you use.

 

[David Dorward]

I use NVU http://www.nvu.com/
its rendering engine is based on Mozilla's Gecko I believe.

Its rendering engine is Gecko

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

as a long time frontpage designer, i have finally learned the error of
my ways and have begun the switch to strict html and css.
during this process, notepad has been my tool but i see many other
editing programs out there such as ultraedit and top style. i don't
want a wyswyg program and was wondering what more experienced html
designers prefer.
thanks!

iceman

Used Metapad for a long time, http://liquidninja.com/metapad/ but it has
a tendency to introduce 'non-printing characters' into the code that
really messes up Perl scripts!

Editpad Lite http://www.editpadlite.com/ pretty good, more features, and
addons, especially with purchase of the 'Pro' version.

Just stumbled upon Crimson Editor, http://www.crimsoneditor.com/ has
much of what EditPad has, syntax highlighting and spell checking is
nice, and it is freeware.

CSE HTML Validator Lite, http://www.htmlvalidator.com/ has an editor
with CSS and HTML tag macro buttons that insert 'tag templates' as you
edit that can be handy and cut down on typos. The validation utility and
be very useful.

None of these are drag-n-drop wysiwyg editors, but you will assuredly
create cleaner more efficient code than with FP, DW or Adobe GoLive!