EI 6.0 doesn't like my idea for borders

Discussion in 'HTML' started by Keith Cochrane, Aug 5, 2006.

  1. I've been surfing the web for several years and in that time I've found
    that alot of the websites look like carbon copies with only variations
    in the color scheme. One of the most "standard" features is the partial
    border along the left side and top that usually contains the name of
    the website on top and a menu on the left side of the page.

    When I finally got around to toying around with building my own website
    a couple of years ago, I had what I thought was a rather novel idea for
    a full page border using a simple table. In all the years I've been on
    the web, I'd never seen a webpage with a full border. (At least not one
    that I recall.) So, I went with this rather simple idea and created a
    few sites and after being forced to close two of them because the free
    server I chose ended up turning the sites into popup hell, I ended up
    with a website that looked ok, even though I haven't done much with it
    over the past couple of years. Here is one of the pages that uses the
    border I mentioned:
    http://keithc.netfirms.com/idt.html

    Unfortunately, the page looks ok in IE 5.0 and in Firefox, but falls
    apart in IE 6.0 as the center and sides of the border don't load. I was
    wondering if anyone knew a simple way of getting this to work? It's not
    really a pressing issue, but if theres a way to make it look right in
    all browsers, I think others might like to use full borders on their
    own website projects. Personally, when my pages load properly, I think
    they look "balanced", as compared to many of the pages I've seen on the
    web.

    Thanks for your time.

    Keith.
    Keith Cochrane, Aug 5, 2006
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    Toby Inkster Guest

    Toby Inkster, Aug 5, 2006
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  3. Toby Inkster wrote:
    > Keith Cochrane wrote:
    > > http://keithc.netfirms.com/idt.html

    >
    > '<img ... height="100%" ...>' doesn't mean what you think it means.


    <IMG align=left alt="left bar" border=0 height="100%" hspace=0
    src="rverticalbar.png" width=30>
    I thought it meant 100% of the page height, (or in the case of tables,
    100% of the available row height)?

    Keith.
    Keith Cochrane, Aug 6, 2006
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    TomB Guest

    Keith Cochrane schreef:

    > I've been surfing the web for several years and in that time I've found
    > that alot of the websites look like carbon copies with only variations
    > in the color scheme. One of the most "standard" features is the partial
    > border along the left side and top that usually contains the name of
    > the website on top and a menu on the left side of the page.
    >
    > In all the years I've been on
    > the web, I'd never seen a webpage with a full border.


    http://deimos.curious.be/~dusk

    Tadaaa ;-)
    TomB, Aug 6, 2006
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    Steve Pugh Guest

    "Keith Cochrane" <> wrote:
    >Toby Inkster wrote:
    >> Keith Cochrane wrote:
    >> > http://keithc.netfirms.com/idt.html

    >>
    >> '<img ... height="100%" ...>' doesn't mean what you think it means.

    >
    ><IMG align=left alt="left bar" border=0 height="100%" hspace=0
    > src="rverticalbar.png" width=30>
    >I thought it meant 100% of the page height, (or in the case of tables,
    >100% of the available row height)?


    You thought wrong. In this case it means 100% of the height of the
    image.

    Start using CSS and use background images instead.

    Steve
    --
    "My theories appal you, my heresies outrage you,
    I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - The Doctor

    Steve Pugh <> <http://steve.pugh.net/>
    Steve Pugh, Aug 6, 2006
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  6. Steve Pugh <> scripsit:

    >>> '<img ... height="100%" ...>' doesn't mean what you think it means.

    >>
    >> <IMG align=left alt="left bar" border=0 height="100%" hspace=0
    >> src="rverticalbar.png" width=30>
    >> I thought it meant 100% of the page height, (or in the case of
    >> tables, 100% of the available row height)?

    >
    > You thought wrong. In this case it means 100% of the height of the
    > image.


    No, quite the contrary: the specification says that "lengths expressed as
    percentages are based on the horizontal or vertical space currently
    available, not on the natural size of the image, object, or applet". Ref.:
    http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/objects.html#adef-height-IMG

    Browser may do this poorly, and may even deviate from the specification (in
    addition to often doing a poor-quality scaling), but that's a different
    issue.

    > Start using CSS and use background images instead.


    That sounds like a good idea, especially for an image that is supposed to
    act as just as a divider - a decorative horizontal rule, in a sense.
    Actually, if such a divider is the most prominent graphic feature of a page,
    the design is somewhat odd, and removing the divider or replacing with a
    simple styled <hr> might be an improvement.

    --
    Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
    http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
    Jukka K. Korpela, Aug 6, 2006
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  7. Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
    > Steve Pugh <> scripsit:
    >
    > >>> '<img ... height="100%" ...>' doesn't mean what you think it means.
    > >>
    > >> <IMG align=left alt="left bar" border=0 height="100%" hspace=0
    > >> src="rverticalbar.png" width=30>
    > >> I thought it meant 100% of the page height, (or in the case of
    > >> tables, 100% of the available row height)?

    <--------- snip -------------->
    > > Start using CSS and use background images instead.


    But I really and truely hate CSS. I wrote my own software that uses its
    own type of style sheets and would like to keep things as simple as
    possible for future users.

    > That sounds like a good idea, especially for an image that is supposed to
    > act as just as a divider - a decorative horizontal rule, in a sense.


    Horizontal or vertical works. I used to have text and a search box
    within the horizontal divider at the bottom of the page, but I removed
    it. I'm working on something else that's taking up nearly all my free
    time at the moment, but I hope to redo the whole site in a few months.

    > Actually, if such a divider is the most prominent graphic feature of a page,
    > the design is somewhat odd, and removing the divider or replacing with a
    > simple styled <hr> might be an improvement.
    > --
    > Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
    > http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/


    <hr><hr><hr><hr><hr><hr><hr><hr>
    I was thinking that someone using the same idea I had, could make a
    real nice barbershop style pole on each side of the page without having
    to use a huge graphic, just a small one that repeats in each row space.
    It might look different in different browsers, but it should still look
    like a barbershop, (ecept in E.I. 6.0).

    Keith.
    Keith Cochrane, Aug 9, 2006
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  8. Keith Cochrane <> scripsit:

    > But I really and truely hate CSS.


    As you like it. Nobody can prevent you from using the presentational HTML
    kludgery from year 1996, but you shouldn't expect much willingness to help
    you there (unless you pay sufficiently for that).

    > I wrote my own software that uses
    > its own type of style sheets and would like to keep things as simple
    > as possible for future users.


    I have no idea of what you are talking about and how it relates to your
    problem or HTML or anything.

    > Horizontal or vertical works. I used to have text and a search box
    > within the horizontal divider at the bottom of the page, but I removed
    > it. I'm working on something else that's taking up nearly all my free
    > time at the moment, but I hope to redo the whole site in a few months.


    How does _that_ relate to anything? (I'm not even asking what it means,.)

    > <hr><hr><hr><hr><hr><hr><hr><hr>


    I have a strong feeling that you are trying to be funny, or something.

    > I was thinking that someone using the same idea I had, could make a
    > real nice barbershop style pole on each side of the page without
    > having to use a huge graphic, just a small one that repeats in each
    > row space.


    Actually, people do that a lot, using CSS. You'll have a hard time in
    convincing them of the benefits of some HTML trickery that you need help
    with.

    --
    Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
    http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
    Jukka K. Korpela, Aug 9, 2006
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