Embedding QuickTime movie

Discussion in 'HTML' started by patrick j, Dec 30, 2007.

  1. patrick j

    patrick j Guest

    Hi

    I'm trying to get a QuickTime movie to work in various browsers which is in
    a very simple web-page.

    Below is the code I'm using to embed the movie.

    <object classid="clsid:02BF25D5-8C17-4B23-BC80-D3488ABDDC6B"
    codebase="http://www.apple.com/qtactivex/qtplugin.cab" height="576"
    width="1024">
    <param name="src" value="citizen_kane.mov">
    <param name="autoplay" value="false">
    <param name="controller" value="true">
    <embed height="592" width="1024" src="citizen_kane.mov"
    pluginspage="http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/"
    type="video/quicktime" controller="true" autoplay="false">
    </object>


    It works very well in Safari but not in FireFox, nor in iCab or Camino or
    IE 7.

    I'm wondering what the problem might be?

    Thank you for any assistance you may be able to give.


    --
    Patrick - Brighton, UK
    If you wish email me from my web-site: <http://www.patrickjames.me.uk>
    patrick j, Dec 30, 2007
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  2. patrick j

    cwdjrxyz Guest

    On Dec 29, 8:23 pm, patrick j <> wrote:
    > Hi
    >
    > I'm trying to get a QuickTime movie to work in various browsers which is in
    > a very simple web-page.
    >
    > Below is the code I'm using to embed the movie.
    >
    > <object classid="clsid:02BF25D5-8C17-4B23-BC80-D3488ABDDC6B"
    > codebase="http://www.apple.com/qtactivex/qtplugin.cab" height="576"
    > width="1024">
    > <param name="src" value="citizen_kane.mov">
    > <param name="autoplay" value="false">
    > <param name="controller" value="true">
    > <embed height="592" width="1024" src="citizen_kane.mov"
    > pluginspage="http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/"
    > type="video/quicktime" controller="true" autoplay="false">
    > </object>
    >
    > It works very well in Safari but not in FireFox, nor in iCab or Camino or
    > IE 7.
    >
    > I'm wondering what the problem might be?


    Is the .mov hinted? If not, it will not start playing until completely
    downloaded, which could be quite a while if the download is not very
    fast, because .mov files tend to be fairly large in many cases. If you
    encode with many encoders, the .mov resulting is not hinted. If you
    have the pay/pro version of the QT player, it is easy to hint a .mov.
    You just open your .mov in QT Pro and then store it somewhere else
    with a slightly different name. The stored .mov file then will be
    hinted( have data to make the .mov stream before download is
    complete). All embedded .mov files, except very short ones, should be
    hinted before being embedded on a web page.

    The object code you use often is used, but it is invalid because it
    contains embed which has never been a W3C tag. There may or may not be
    something else wrong with the code that causes it not to work(if it
    truly does not work after a long wait when the .mov is not hinted).

    Here is how I embed a .mov. Go to my page at http://www.cwdjr.info/video_extreme/cancanMOV.php
    .. This works for me on IE6 and the latest versions of Firefox,
    Seamonkey, Safari for Windows, and Opera. The .mov is hinted and the
    movie is set not to start automatically. The dark download bar is
    filled in dark color as the .mov is downloaded. If your download speed
    is high enough to keep ahead of the rate needed by the .mov, then you
    can click to play at any time. If download is too slow, you can still
    start the movie, but it will pause when it catches up with the
    download. The movie is designed for high broadband. I usually can get
    4 to 5 Mbps in the US with the server being located in the central US.
    Such fast download is not possible in many other parts of the world.

    If you do not serve code as true xhtml with mime type application/xhtml
    +xml associated with an extension such as .xhtml , then view the page
    on IE to view the source code in html 4.01 strict. Notice that the
    simple object code has an ActiveX path that is taken only for IE and
    close relatives. Most other browsers do not support ActiveX, which is
    supposed to be handled by the embed code you use. However an ordinary
    object will serve for these other browsers. Microsoft conditional
    comments are used to select the ActiveX path only for IE and close
    relative browsers.
    cwdjrxyz, Dec 30, 2007
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  3. patrick j

    Art Guest

    On 12/29/07 9:23 PM, patrick j wrote:


    > I'm trying to get a QuickTime movie to work in various browsers which is in
    > a very simple web-page.
    >
    > It works very well in Safari but not in FireFox, nor in iCab or Camino or
    > IE 7.
    > [...]
    > I'm wondering what the problem might be?
    >
    > Thank you for any assistance you may be able to give.
    >
    >

    Patrick,
    As you've discovered, the current versions of IE don't work with this
    method. It now requires a Javascript stub, and obviously, Javascript
    enabled on the browser. This new method will work in all browsers. No
    need for any IE-specific code.

    There's a good explanation of this at:

    http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/embedtag.shtml

    If you've got a number of pages with the <object> style code to convert,
    the BBEdit script will do the job nicely (it does require BBEdit which
    runs only a Mac).

    The description of the code conversion process is excellent at this
    site, even if you can't use the tool. There are links to both the Apple
    and Microsoft's discussions on this topic as well.

    You can certainly alter the user warning message (inside the <noscript>
    container) to your liking or just replace the <img> container with a
    text warning without the image.

    Art
    Art, Dec 30, 2007
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    cwdjrxyz Guest

    On Dec 30, 11:00 am, Art <> wrote:
    > On 12/29/07 9:23 PM, patrick j wrote:
    >
    > > I'm trying to get a QuickTime movie to work in various browsers which is in
    > > a very simple web-page.

    >
    > > It works very well in Safari but not in FireFox, nor in iCab or Camino or
    > > IE 7.
    > > [...]
    > > I'm wondering what the problem might be?

    >
    > > Thank you for any assistance you may be able to give.

    >
    > Patrick,
    > As you've discovered, the current versions of IE don't work with this
    > method. It now requires a Javascript stub, and obviously, Javascript
    > enabled on the browser. This new method will work in all browsers. No
    > need for any IE-specific code.
    >
    > There's a good explanation of this at:
    >
    > http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/embedtag.shtml
    >
    > If you've got a number of pages with the <object> style code to convert,
    > the BBEdit script will do the job nicely (it does require BBEdit which
    > runs only a Mac).
    >
    > The description of the code conversion process is excellent at this
    > site, even if you can't use the tool. There are links to both the Apple
    > and Microsoft's discussions on this topic as well.
    >
    > You can certainly alter the user warning message (inside the <noscript>
    > container) to your liking or just replace the <img> container with a
    > text warning without the image.


    I would not use this method. It is not necessary to use all of this
    complication and script. Even today some people turn script off. Also
    the code given in the referenced site has several validation errors
    that need not be present if proper W3C valid code is used. It is
    typical of much media code for which the authors, including those in
    many media companies, do not write W3C valid html, either because they
    do not know how or do not care. Of course if your only interest is
    that the code will work, despite errors in it, then this method likely
    is an option.
    cwdjrxyz, Dec 30, 2007
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    Art Guest

    On 12/30/07 12:45 PM, cwdjrxyz wrote:

    > On Dec 30, 11:00 am, Art <> wrote:
    >> On 12/29/07 9:23 PM, patrick j wrote:
    >>
    >> > I'm trying to get a QuickTime movie to work in various browsers which is in
    >> > a very simple web-page.

    >>
    >> > It works very well in Safari but not in FireFox, nor in iCab or Camino or
    >> > IE 7.
    >> > [...]
    >> > I'm wondering what the problem might be?

    >>
    >> > Thank you for any assistance you may be able to give.

    >>
    >> Patrick,
    >> As you've discovered, the current versions of IE don't work with this
    >> method. It now requires a Javascript stub, and obviously, Javascript
    >> enabled on the browser. This new method will work in all browsers. No
    >> need for any IE-specific code.
    >>
    >> There's a good explanation of this at:
    >>
    >> http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/embedtag.shtml

    >[...]
    > I would not use this method. It is not necessary to use all of this
    > complication and script. Even today some people turn script off. Also
    > the code given in the referenced site has several validation errors
    > that need not be present if proper W3C valid code is used. It is
    > typical of much media code for which the authors, including those in
    > many media companies, do not write W3C valid html, either because they
    > do not know how or do not care. Of course if your only interest is
    > that the code will work, despite errors in it, then this method likely
    > is an option.

    cwdjrxyz,
    The above link does indeed have W3C validation errors. However, if you
    merely extract the converted stubs (highlighted in color) and paste them
    into your html, it will validate (assuming the remaining html/xhtml is
    valid :)). The <img> container does have an invalid parameter (border)
    that needs to be removed or restyled with css for 4.01 Strict compliance.

    The primary purpose of that particular page was to provide a simple
    converter tool for legacy pages without using IE conditionals. When you
    run the tool, it will modify only the QT-related code.

    Your method is certainly a viable alternative. It would appear that it
    uses the same parameter names and values as described in:

    http://www.apple.com/quicktime/tutorials/embed2.html

    Is that correct for both the IE and non-IE cases ?

    Art
    Art, Dec 30, 2007
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    patrick j Guest

    On Dec 30, 2007 cwdjrxyz wrote:

    > On Dec 29, 8:23 pm, patrick j <> wrote:
    >> Hi
    >>
    >> I'm trying to get a QuickTime movie to work in various browsers which is in
    >> a very simple web-page.
    >>
    >> Below is the code I'm using to embed the movie.
    >>
    >> <object classid="clsid:02BF25D5-8C17-4B23-BC80-D3488ABDDC6B"
    >> codebase="http://www.apple.com/qtactivex/qtplugin.cab" height="576"
    >> width="1024">
    >> <param name="src" value="citizen_kane.mov">
    >> <param name="autoplay" value="false">
    >> <param name="controller" value="true">
    >> <embed height="592" width="1024" src="citizen_kane.mov"
    >> pluginspage="http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/"
    >> type="video/quicktime" controller="true" autoplay="false">
    >> </object>
    >>
    >> It works very well in Safari but not in FireFox, nor in iCab or Camino or
    >> IE 7.
    >>
    >> I'm wondering what the problem might be?

    >
    > Is the .mov hinted? If not, it will not start playing until completely
    > downloaded, which could be quite a while if the download is not very
    > fast, because .mov files tend to be fairly large in many cases. If you
    > encode with many encoders, the .mov resulting is not hinted. If you
    > have the pay/pro version of the QT player, it is easy to hint a .mov.
    > You just open your .mov in QT Pro and then store it somewhere else
    > with a slightly different name. The stored .mov file then will be
    > hinted( have data to make the .mov stream before download is
    > complete). All embedded .mov files, except very short ones, should be
    > hinted before being embedded on a web page.


    Hi

    First thank you for your assistance.

    I've tried re-saving using QuickTime Pro but this doesn't make any
    difference. The movie has been exported from Final Cut Pro using
    Compressor.

    However it is good that at this point I mention that the movie is not going
    onto a server to be downloaded. It is at present on a hard-drive in my
    house and the very simple HTML page is right beside it.

    The intention is to burn the movie to a DVD along with the HTML page. The
    HTML page is a simple "wrapper" for the movie. This is what has been
    required of me.

    The movie is 4.35 GB if not optimised for streaming and 3.5 GB if
    optimised.

    >
    > The object code you use often is used, but it is invalid because it
    > contains embed which has never been a W3C tag. There may or may not be
    > something else wrong with the code that causes it not to work(if it
    > truly does not work after a long wait when the .mov is not hinted).
    >
    > Here is how I embed a .mov. Go to my page at
    > http://www.cwdjr.info/video_extreme/cancanMOV.php
    > . This works for me on IE6 and the latest versions of Firefox,
    > Seamonkey, Safari for Windows, and Opera.


    I have copied your page and have it sitting next to my QuickTime file. I've
    changed relevant bits so it is pointed to my QuickTime file. However it
    behaves exactly as my original page does, it works very well in Safari but
    not in Firefox or iCab etc.

    I haven't tried it with IE yet but my priority is to get it working with
    Firefox.

    The place that it is going is a mostly Firefox using place. I know they do
    have Safari but I don't want to have to say "it will only work in Safari"
    :)

    I'm not that concerned about IE but I will use your conditional comments
    for that. I like using conditional comments for IE for the reasons you've
    stated.

    Also I like the fact that your code validates :)

    Now I just have to sort out why it is only working with Safari :(

    It must be something to do with the situation.

    It is very strange.


    --
    Patrick - Brighton, UK
    If you wish email me from my web-site: <http://www.patrickjames.me.uk>
    patrick j, Dec 30, 2007
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  7. patrick j

    patrick j Guest

    On Dec 30, 2007 Art wrote:

    > Patrick,
    > As you've discovered, the current versions of IE don't work with this
    > method. It now requires a Javascript stub, and obviously, Javascript
    > enabled on the browser. This new method will work in all browsers. No
    > need for any IE-specific code.
    >
    > There's a good explanation of this at:
    >
    > http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/embedtag.shtml
    >
    > If you've got a number of pages with the <object> style code to convert,
    > the BBEdit script will do the job nicely (it does require BBEdit which
    > runs only a Mac).
    >
    > The description of the code conversion process is excellent at this
    > site, even if you can't use the tool. There are links to both the Apple
    > and Microsoft's discussions on this topic as well.
    >
    > You can certainly alter the user warning message (inside the <noscript>
    > container) to your liking or just replace the <img> container with a
    > text warning without the image.


    Hi Art

    Thank you very much for this advice. I am a BBEdit user it is really a
    fabulous text editor :)

    I'm going to check this out. In fact my main priority is to get the page to
    work with Firefox. I like the conditional comment procedure for IE as
    mentioned in a neighbouring post.



    --
    Patrick - Brighton, UK
    If you wish email me from my web-site: <http://www.patrickjames.me.uk>
    patrick j, Dec 30, 2007
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    patrick j Guest

    On Dec 30, 2007 patrick j wrote:

    > It must be something to do with the situation.


    I'm replying to my own posting :)

    I've discovered that this issue is to do with the QuickTime movie and not
    the code in the web-page.

    I've done the obvious and simply pointed the browsers directly at the movie
    on my hard-drive and it is only Safari which will play it.

    I don't think it is the "hinting" issue because it doesn't get better when
    I re-save the movie using QuickTime Pro.

    I'm going to take this to the QuickTime forum at the Apple web-site.

    However if anyone has any ideas I am "all ears" :)



    --
    Patrick - Brighton, UK
    If you wish email me from my web-site: <http://www.patrickjames.me.uk>
    patrick j, Dec 30, 2007
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    Art Guest

    On 12/30/07 4:17 PM, patrick j wrote:

    > On Dec 30, 2007 Art wrote:
    >
    >> Patrick,
    >> As you've discovered, the current versions of IE don't work with this
    >> method. It now requires a Javascript stub, and obviously, Javascript
    >> enabled on the browser. This new method will work in all browsers. No
    >> need for any IE-specific code.
    >>
    >> There's a good explanation of this at:
    >>
    >> http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/embedtag.shtml
    >>
    >> If you've got a number of pages with the <object> style code to convert,
    >> the BBEdit script will do the job nicely (it does require BBEdit which
    >> runs only a Mac).
    >>
    >> The description of the code conversion process is excellent at this
    >> site, even if you can't use the tool. There are links to both the Apple
    >> and Microsoft's discussions on this topic as well.
    >>
    >> You can certainly alter the user warning message (inside the <noscript>
    >> container) to your liking or just replace the <img> container with a
    >> text warning without the image.

    >
    > Hi Art
    >
    > Thank you very much for this advice. I am a BBEdit user it is really a
    > fabulous text editor :)
    >
    > I'm going to check this out. In fact my main priority is to get the page to
    > work with Firefox. I like the conditional comment procedure for IE as
    > mentioned in a neighbouring post.


    Patrick,
    cwdjrxyz's method certainly has merit if you're coding the page from
    scratch as it is easier to attach any parameters where you wish to
    override the default states. As I mentioned in a follow-up posting, the
    BBEdit tool was intended for bulk conversion of legacy pages that
    utilized the <embed> tag method.

    Looking back at one of your follow-ups, if the final intent is to place
    this on a DVD, have you considered importing it into a tool such as
    iMovie/iDVD or Toast and creating a stand-alone DVD media ? You wouldn't
    be faced with the streaming issues, or browser "idiosyncrasies" with
    this method. Your 4.3GB movie would fit on a SL DVD media.

    Art
    Art, Dec 30, 2007
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  10. patrick j

    patrick j Guest

    On Dec 30, 2007 Art wrote:

    > Patrick,
    > cwdjrxyz's method certainly has merit if you're coding the page from
    > scratch as it is easier to attach any parameters where you wish to
    > override the default states. As I mentioned in a follow-up posting, the
    > BBEdit tool was intended for bulk conversion of legacy pages that
    > utilized the <embed> tag method.


    Hi Art

    I'll be using the BBEdit tool when that situation arises. At present I'm
    dealing with just one bit of code on one page, so it is good for me to use
    cwdjrxyz's method.

    > Looking back at one of your follow-ups, if the final intent is to place
    > this on a DVD, have you considered importing it into a tool such as
    > iMovie/iDVD or Toast and creating a stand-alone DVD media ? You wouldn't
    > be faced with the streaming issues, or browser "idiosyncrasies" with
    > this method. Your 4.3GB movie would fit on a SL DVD media.


    Yes I'd love to do it this way, it would be far better.

    But...

    This is a project for an MA Digital Media University course I'm doing. The
    stipulation is that it should be in HTML. To fulfil that then I am putting
    a wrapper for the video. It's a drag but there's no way out of it :(

    I can do anything for this part of the MA, so for example I could have done
    an animation, or something advanced with Photoshop, but it must be viewable
    in a web-browser. In my case I've done a video. They use Macs primarily in
    the shool so they all have the QuickTime plug-in.

    I'm convinced now that the problem for me getting the video to work in
    Firefox and other browsers is something to do with the video rather than
    the code in the html page I've created.

    In fact I am very likely going to create a standalone DVD version of the
    video as well for my own uses :)

    --
    Patrick - Brighton, UK
    If you wish email me from my web-site: <http://www.patrickjames.me.uk>
    patrick j, Dec 30, 2007
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    Art Guest

    On 12/30/07 6:01 PM, patrick j wrote:

    > On Dec 30, 2007 Art wrote:
    >
    >> Patrick,

    >[...]
    >
    >> Looking back at one of your follow-ups, if the final intent is to place
    >> this on a DVD, have you considered importing it into a tool such as
    >> iMovie/iDVD or Toast and creating a stand-alone DVD media ?

    <[...]
    >
    > Yes I'd love to do it this way, it would be far better.
    >
    >[...]
    > I'm convinced now that the problem for me getting the video to work in
    > Firefox and other browsers is something to do with the video rather than
    > the code in the html page I've created.
    >[...]

    Patrick,
    A non-streaming 4.3GB QT file might be giving some browsers fits. A
    suggestion would be to gin up a small QT file (say 30 seconds of your
    movie) using your existing methodology and see if it plays on the
    suspect browsers. This would validate whether your authoring flow is the
    issue or if the problem lies in the file size.

    If the file size is the culprit (sometimes size matters :)), you could try:
    1) authoring the movie in smaller chapter segments and put navigation
    links to them on the HTML page. Sort of like a DVD menu page.

    2) If the project allows it, drop the resolution and/or frame rate to
    reduce the file size. Also, look at the audio rate.

    3) Try authoring in H.264 format. You might get better compression.

    Art
    Art, Dec 30, 2007
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    patrick j Guest

    On Dec 30, 2007 Art wrote:

    > Patrick,
    > A non-streaming 4.3GB QT file might be giving some browsers fits. A
    > suggestion would be to gin up a small QT file (say 30 seconds of your
    > movie) using your existing methodology and see if it plays on the
    > suspect browsers. This would validate whether your authoring flow is the
    > issue or if the problem lies in the file size.


    Hi Art

    I've just tried a file of 107 MB and it works fine in Firefox, so it must
    be that the file size is indeed the culprit.

    > If the file size is the culprit (sometimes size matters :)), you could try:
    > 1) authoring the movie in smaller chapter segments and put navigation
    > links to them on the HTML page. Sort of like a DVD menu page.
    >
    > 2) If the project allows it, drop the resolution and/or frame rate to
    > reduce the file size. Also, look at the audio rate.
    >
    > 3) Try authoring in H.264 format. You might get better compression.


    Of these three options I'm going to try 3) and 2). I can't split up the
    film for option 1). In truth I really don't want to lose any picture
    quality as many of the sequences are quite beautiful, if I say so myself :)

    So...

    I'll see how small I can make it before it gets nasty.

    I'll report back on developments...


    --
    Patrick - Brighton, UK
    If you wish email me from my web-site: <http://www.patrickjames.me.uk>
    patrick j, Dec 31, 2007
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  13. patrick j

    David Segall Guest

    patrick j <> wrote:

    >Hi
    >
    >I'm trying to get a QuickTime movie to work

    [OT] Please don't, or at least give us a choice of formats. Apple
    insist on loading up my machine with extra junk to sell iTunes and
    iPhones so I'm trying to get rid of QuickTime.
    David Segall, Dec 31, 2007
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    cwdjrxyz Guest

    On Dec 30, 9:49 pm, David Segall <> wrote:
    > patrick j <> wrote:
    > >Hi

    >
    > >I'm trying to get a QuickTime movie to work

    >
    > [OT] Please don't, or at least give us a choice of formats. Apple
    > insist on loading up my machine with extra junk to sell iTunes and
    > iPhones so I'm trying to get rid of QuickTime.


    It is a jungle out there now concerning video formats. Many offer you
    free players in the hope that you will buy some of their music etc.
    Apple tries to sell you media and players. Real tries to sell you
    media. Microsoft makes recent players including the newest WMP 11 that
    can only be installed on a WindowsXP or Vista OSs. Also they try to
    sell you media. And so on. The glut of video formats pushed by various
    companies now approaches anarchy. See my video zoo at
    http://www.cwdjr.info/video_extreme/VideoZoo.php for examples of 15 of
    these format beasts that you often run into these days - and these 15
    by no means exhaust the list. And several of these formats have HD
    versions etc. Of course the wide use of small hand-held portable
    devices, mobile devices, and cell phones has expanded the wide use of
    media far beyond desktop computers.
    cwdjrxyz, Dec 31, 2007
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    patrick j Guest

    On Dec 31, 2007 patrick j wrote:

    > I'll report back on developments...


    Hi

    It's me again :)

    Thank you Art and cwdjrxyz.

    I've got my video working now in various browsers.

    It looks good and the extremely simple web-page verifies very nicely.

    The primary problem was the very large size of the video file.

    Now it is compressed using H.264 it is a much smaller size 371.3 MB.

    I had been very daft and had been compressing it from Final Cut Pro with
    Photo-Jpeg which is I guess why the file was so large, 4.3 GB!

    The video only lasts 9 mins 31 secs so it shouldn't have needed a file that
    big ;)

    In fact with H.264 some of the video actually looks better. A few bits
    don't look quite as good, but it is 6 of one half a dozen of the other and
    H.264 gives me something I can use.

    I've found that it is best to stick with 48 KHz for the sound. There is a
    significant chunk of the video for which sound is very important and so
    when I tried lower sampling rates the reduction in quality was noticeable.
    --
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    If you wish email me from my web-site: <http://www.patrickjames.me.uk>
    patrick j, Dec 31, 2007
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    cwdjrxyz Guest

    On Dec 31, 8:54 am, patrick j <> wrote:
    > On Dec 31, 2007 patrick j wrote:


    > I've got my video working now in various browsers.
    >
    > It looks good and the extremely simple web-page verifies very nicely.
    >
    > The primary problem was the very large size of the video file.
    >
    > Now it is compressed using H.264 it is a much smaller size 371.3 MB.
    >
    > I had been very daft and had been compressing it from Final Cut Pro with
    > Photo-Jpeg which is I guess why the file was so large, 4.3 GB!


    The video only lasts 9 mins 31 secs so it shouldn't have needed a file
    that
    > big ;)


    For comparison, a typical commercial DL DVD of a movie lasting under 2
    hours will have under 8 GB. You were using a larger file size than
    needed by most of the high definition video formats! Also, on a DVD,
    the video is broken up into .VOB files(a special mpeg type of file)
    that are about 1 GB each. The other control and housekeeping file
    types on a DVD are much shorter. Older hard drives formatted in FAT
    will not work on programs for DVDs, because FAT does not even allow
    files of 1 GB or slightly larger as needed for DVDs.
    cwdjrxyz, Dec 31, 2007
    #16
  17. patrick j

    Art Guest

    On 12/31/07 9:54 AM, patrick j wrote:

    > On Dec 31, 2007 patrick j wrote:
    >
    >> I'll report back on developments...

    >
    > Hi
    >
    > It's me again :)
    >
    > Thank you Art and cwdjrxyz.
    >
    > I've got my video working now in various browsers.
    >
    >[...]

    Patrick,
    Glad to hear you solved the problem. Hope you ace the course :).

    Art
    Art, Dec 31, 2007
    #17
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