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Andrew Glasgow
Thibault said:
The CSS loads and displays properly as far as I can see. If it is not
doing so on your computer, it most likely is a client problem.
The CSS loads and displays properly as far as I can see. If it is not
doing so on your computer, it most likely is a client problem.
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Thibault
"Steve Pugh" a écrit dans le message :
Oh. Actually, I didn't know about that. This padding command is great !
Thanks !
In facts, all I could learn about the W3C is that it is a kind of
monopolistic consortium trying to say what is right and what is wrong on the
web. I don't really like this sort of thing. But perhaps my opinion is not
really accurate... where can I read valuable information about what is and
what is not the W3C, please ?
No. There is no style at all, except those of the HTML page. I now think
there is a problem on this machine, too, but what can it be ? I will try to
reinstall IE 6 this afternoon.
Thank you again for the tip about padding,
Thibault
Oh. Actually, I didn't know about that. This padding command is great !
Thanks !
In facts, all I could learn about the W3C is that it is a kind of
monopolistic consortium trying to say what is right and what is wrong on the
web. I don't really like this sort of thing. But perhaps my opinion is not
really accurate... where can I read valuable information about what is and
what is not the W3C, please ?
No. There is no style at all, except those of the HTML page. I now think
there is a problem on this machine, too, but what can it be ? I will try to
reinstall IE 6 this afternoon.
Thank you again for the tip about padding,
Thibault
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Thibault
"Andrew Glasgow" a écrit dans le message :
Yes, I think this too. I will try to reinstall Internet Explorer on the
machine.
Yes, I think this too. I will try to reinstall Internet Explorer on the
machine.
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Thibault
"biggo" a écrit dans le message :
Thank you. I have removed it.
Thank you. I have removed it.
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kchayka
Thibault said:
<URL:http://www.w3.org/>
See that "About W3C" link at the top of the page?
BTW, it is intentionally "monopolistic". What would the WWW be like if
everyone were free to make up their own standards and protocols? Oh,
wait, Microsoft has already tried that.
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Whitecrest
kcha-un- said:BTW, it is intentionally "monopolistic". What would the WWW be like if
everyone were free to make up their own standards and protocols? Oh,
wait, Microsoft has already tried that.
So taking from our experience with Microsoft, where a monopoly on any
kind of technology is a BAD thing. We can sit here and say that letting
the W3c (or any other group) control how things are presented on the
Web, a good thing?
One operating system, or one set of rules on how you can present things
on the web. Both are bad ideas.
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kayodeok
Maybe my analogy is off (I was never good at arguments which is why
I keep out of your way), but think of checks and balances within
the Government and apply it to the situation between MS and W3C...
Microsoft/Sun/Apple etc shouldn't be responsible for standards
settings. I am sure the W3C answers to someone too.
Just my two cents.
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Toby A Inkster
Whitecrest said:
In contrast to privately held companies, the W3C is an *open* group. You
can join. I can join. Anyone can join and have a say in how the web
progresses. Even if you're not a member of the W3C, discussion of
forthcoming standards is conducted on open mailing lists, so you can have
your input (although without being a member, people may not listen as
much!) and see the decision process.
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Whitecrest
I personally would rather have the browsers fighting it out. Each
trying to out-do the other with features, pushing the web ahead, rather
than trying to get them all to conform to a specific set of rules.
Let the browsers and their users decide what the standards are.
The web is in its business infancy, now is the time to push the
envelope, not to force a set of rules. Lets investigate everything the
web is capable of doing before we decide what it does.
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kayodeok
Seems you may have been reading "How the Web was won" or something
similar.[1]
How do you expect webmasters to cope with coding? We have enough
anarchy as it is with Forums and Newsgroups being set up just to
handle the browsers in existence and some would say we are being
held back because one particular browser isn't playing by the
rules.
[1] I haven't read this book but the theme "How the west was won"
popped into my head while reading your post, so I googled for "How
the web was won" and guess what? There is a book on how Microsoft
won the web called "How the web was won"!
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Whitecrest
Nope, never read it.
The exact same way we do now.
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kayodeok
Nice trimming...but just for the record: you said:
To which I replied:
How do you expect webmasters to cope with coding? We have enough
anarchy as it is with Forums and Newsgroups being set up just to
handle the browsers in existence and some would say we are being
held back because one particular browser isn't playing by the
rules.
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Whitecrest
To which I replied: "The exact same way we do now". I saw no need to
quote the entire paragraph, My reply is no different with it or with out
it.
I don't consider the need for you have to make choices about what
browser features you will and will not support, anarchy. You make these
choices every day right now because NONE of the browsers support W3c
100%. The features you have today (including CSS and javascript), are
because the browser makers were trying to out do each other with
features and tags, many of which are now part of what we use today.
So I say we let the browser makers throw new stuff at us, and let the
users decide what is good and what is bad.
Hmmm, the exact same way we do now....
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Bob
No, no, no... we need a stuffy committee of academian geeks deciding
what's best for us!
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Toby A Inkster
Bob said:
My point earlier though is that that's not what the W3C is.
The W3C is made up primarily of representatives of companies with a vested
interest in the development of the Web. Its most vocal contributors are
usually those affiliated with browser makers.
For instance Hakom Wium Lie who was the driving force behind CSS1 and CSS2
is the CTO of Opera ASA; Tantek Celik, a major contributor to CSS3 was
lead developer of Internet Explorer for Mac.
Adobe, AOL, BEA Systems, Canon, Corel, Ericsson, HP, IBM, Intel,
Macromedia, Microsoft, Motorola, Nokia, Panasonic, Phillips, RealNetworks
Sun... the employers of the authors and editors of W3C recommendations
read like a veritable Who's Who of the technology industry. All have
decided that the best way forward for the Web is through interoperable
standards. But obviously Whitecrest knows better than them.
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Whitecrest
Yet, they all do other wise on their sites, and with the browsers some
of them create... NONE of their pages validate, and none of the
browsers are 100% compatible with everything the w3c deem proper.
Hmm... Maybe they are not that serious about it, or maybe they are just
pushing what they think is important, and they are going to do it no
matter what the w3c decides is right. As a matter of fact, I seem to
remember reading some statistics in this forum about w3c members and if
their web sites validated or not. I recall the number was around 90%
did not validate.
Doesn't seem to me that they are all that dedicated to the cause. The
browsers makers are offering what ever they can, and the users are
deciding what they want.