FAQ software support changes

Discussion in 'Javascript' started by Jim Ley, Nov 5, 2005.

  1. Jim Ley

    Jim Ley Guest

    Hi,

    I've read the thread on changing the way the FAQ works, I am happy to
    install just about any software on the box that the group may want,
    and to change the cron jobs to send other things easily enough.

    I would be very concerned with both wiki vandalism, and incorrect
    information appearing there. So I think it would need to be a user
    login required system, to stop both the spammers, and to ensure a
    little bit of reputation based changes...

    Cheers,

    Jim.
     
    Jim Ley, Nov 5, 2005
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  2. Jim Ley

    VK Guest

    Jim Ley wrote:
    > Hi,
    >
    > I've read the thread on changing the way the FAQ works, I am happy to
    > install just about any software on the box that the group may want,


    Just a though:
    <http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiRelease04Sep2004>
    or other variants to consider:
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_software>

    > and to change the cron jobs to send other things easily enough.


    It's not really so important *when* does CRON send but *what* does it
    send.
    I am not denying that The Cabal in this newsgroup consists of
    knowlegeable and experienced experts. They are such! Still I do not
    agree that a selected group of 4-5 people can possible know any single
    detail of script/DOM technique (legacy and modern) on any single
    browser under any single OS. Collective feedback is a great add-on to
    them. Some current FAQ answers are so old you can paint by your finger
    on the dust they are covered (say "Local file access" topic).

    > I would be very concerned with both wiki vandalism, and incorrect
    > information appearing there. So I think it would need to be a user
    > login required system, to stop both the spammers, and to ensure a
    > little bit of reputation based changes...


    If it's going to be 4-5 keys for The Cabal members only then there is
    no need to start any mess: it's going to be a highteched recreation of
    what currently exists.
    If not, than how an auth can protect from "vandalism"? Are we going to
    run a credit card verification before any posting?
    There are not unbreakable codes, unhackable servers and untouchable
    public boards. But as someone said very well in this thread, postings
    (however sick they can be) are coming and quickly disappearing into
    archives but FAQ's remain and always can be corrected.
     
    VK, Nov 5, 2005
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  3. Jim Ley

    Jim Ley Guest

    On 5 Nov 2005 10:15:01 -0800, "VK" <> wrote:

    >Jim Ley wrote:
    >> I would be very concerned with both wiki vandalism, and incorrect
    >> information appearing there. So I think it would need to be a user
    >> login required system, to stop both the spammers, and to ensure a
    >> little bit of reputation based changes...

    >
    >If it's going to be 4-5 keys for The Cabal members only then there is
    >no need to start any mess: it's going to be a highteched recreation of
    >what currently exists.


    It would be a pretty much anyone who posts can get a login, the main
    reason of the login would be able to police spam and deliberate
    vandalism by revoking the account. If it takes a spammer some email
    handling to get an account then their bots won't be able to post... it
    won't of course hurt the individual vandaliser, but they can be
    frustrated a lot simply by introducing a delay in the log in process.

    To also enable easier future migration I would like to have the
    associated pages on either jsfaq.jibbering.com or on a completely
    different domain, I would still be happy to host either way.

    Jim.
     
    Jim Ley, Nov 5, 2005
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  4. Jim Ley

    Randy Webb Guest

    VK said the following on 11/5/2005 1:15 PM:
    > Jim Ley wrote:
    >


    <snip>

    >>and to change the cron jobs to send other things easily enough.

    >
    >
    > It's not really so important *when* does CRON send but *what* does it
    > send.


    That I totally disagree with. It is just as important when it sends as
    well as what it sends. A once-a-year top-notch document is worthless. At
    the same time, a daily crappy document is also worthless.

    > I am not denying that The Cabal in this newsgroup consists of
    > knowlegeable and experienced experts. They are such! Still I do not
    > agree that a selected group of 4-5 people can possible know any single
    > detail of script/DOM technique (legacy and modern) on any single
    > browser under any single OS. Collective feedback is a great add-on to
    > them. Some current FAQ answers are so old you can paint by your finger
    > on the dust they are covered (say "Local file access" topic).


    Do you have an alternative to the entry that is there now on "Local file
    access"? There is no reason to change it when it is factually correct.

    --
    Randy
    comp.lang.javascript FAQ - http://jibbering.com/faq & newsgroup weekly
    Javascript Best Practices - http://www.JavascriptToolbox.com/bestpractices/
     
    Randy Webb, Nov 5, 2005
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  5. Jim Ley

    Matt Kruse Guest

    Randy Webb wrote:
    > That I totally disagree with. It is just as important when it sends as
    > well as what it sends. A once-a-year top-notch document is worthless.
    > At the same time, a daily crappy document is also worthless.


    I suspect that regular posting of the FAQ to this group is worthless
    altogether anyway.

    I see no evidence that any new users to the group read the posting. Most new
    users to the group probably have no idea what the FAQ subject line means and
    wouldn't read the post contents anyway.

    I realize that some people here are hard-core traditionalists and
    experienced net citizens who find it reprehensible that someone would post
    to a newsgroup without reading the charter, the FAQ, and lurking for a week
    prior to posting. But the reality is that most people would never dream of
    doing any of the above, and so I question the real value of regular FAQ
    postings at all.

    Which is not to say that posting it regularly should be stopped. It doesn't
    hurt anything. It's just not something I think deserves a lot of discussion.

    --
    Matt Kruse
    http://www.JavascriptToolbox.com
    http://www.AjaxToolbox.com
     
    Matt Kruse, Nov 5, 2005
    #5
  6. Jim Ley

    VK Guest

    > VK said the following on 11/5/2005 1:15 PM:
    > > It's not really so important *when* does CRON send but *what* does it
    > > send.


    > Randy Webb wrote:
    > That I totally disagree with. It is just as important when it sends as
    > well as what it sends. A once-a-year top-notch document is worthless. At
    > the same time, a daily crappy document is also worthless.


    Here I have a non-parallel idea (I'm good on that in both good and bad
    sense :)
    Rather than be oriented on some time points why not to use a visual
    issue:
    Google Groups default display 30 topic per web-page.
    Outlook Express displays 34 topic per page (Preview pane off, 1024x768)

    Of course it all varies greatly from software to software and from
    screen to screen. But very roughly one can say that a FAQ *Link* posted
    on each 30th new topic will be initially visible in any news reader.
    Google RSS feed may provide such info to CRON running once per day:
    <http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/feeds>
    And the full text FAQ post comes each week as it does now.

    If it has any sense...

    > Do you have an alternative to the entry that is there now on "Local file
    > access"?


    Not yet. I mean I do, but it is not tested for full stability. Also I
    want to look first if Konqueror, Safari, Opera and others have anything
    to propose in this domain.
    <http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_frm/thread/09bcb5838cc32f13/46619059a7245c99#46619059a7245c99>

    >From other side some Konqueror or Safari user may already know the

    exact answer (or have a code sample) and they would correct the
    relevant wiki article - if it was posted.
     
    VK, Nov 5, 2005
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  7. JRS: In article <>
    , dated Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:15:01, seen in news:comp.lang.javascript, VK
    <> posted :
    >Jim Ley wrote:
    >>
    >> I've read the thread on changing the way the FAQ works, I am happy to
    >> install just about any software on the box that the group may want,

    >
    >Just a though:
    ><http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiRelease04Sep2004>
    > or other variants to consider:
    ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_software>
    >
    >> and to change the cron jobs to send other things easily enough.



    If you want wiki pages, then write wiki pages. If the wiki pages,
    written by you, are worth reading - which seems unlikely - then the
    newsgroup readers can cite them and the newsgroup FAQ can cite them. If
    they are worth reading after being edited or increased in number by
    others, then the newsgroup readers can cite them and the newsgroup FAQ
    can cite them.

    Compete with the newsgroup FAQ; don't try to replace it.

    I'd be very reluctant myself to commend the work of an anonymous author
    who posts through Google.

    --
    © John Stockton, Surrey, UK. ???@merlyn.demon.co.uk Turnpike v4.00 MIME. ©
    Web <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - FAQish topics, acronyms, & links.
    Check boilerplate spelling -- error is a public sign of incompetence.
    Never fully trust an article from a poster who gives no full real name.
     
    Dr John Stockton, Nov 6, 2005
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  8. JRS: In article <>, dated Sat, 5 Nov 2005
    15:10:16, seen in news:comp.lang.javascript, Matt Kruse
    <> posted :
    >Randy Webb wrote:
    >> That I totally disagree with. It is just as important when it sends as
    >> well as what it sends. A once-a-year top-notch document is worthless.
    >> At the same time, a daily crappy document is also worthless.

    >
    >I suspect that regular posting of the FAQ to this group is worthless
    >altogether anyway.


    Without having an edited FAQ - with an active Editor - posted to the
    newsgroup, there is no corporate responsibility in the group. A group
    with a FAQ that is frequently edited as a result of posted feedback has
    an obviously trustworthy FAQ.


    >I see no evidence that any new users to the group read the posting. Most new
    >users to the group probably have no idea what the FAQ subject line means and
    >wouldn't read the post contents anyway.


    If they don't more or less understand "Quick Answers" there's little
    hope for them anyway. But the Wednesday title could be improved, if
    only by adding "General" or "Reference".


    >I realize that some people here are hard-core traditionalists and
    >experienced net citizens who find it reprehensible that someone would post
    >to a newsgroup without reading the charter, the FAQ, and lurking for a week
    >prior to posting. But the reality is that most people would never dream of
    >doing any of the above, and so I question the real value of regular FAQ
    >postings at all.


    You seem to have omitted to perceive that, as well as being a resource
    which it is hoped will diminish the repetition of common questions, is
    also a resource which undoubtedly diminishes the repetition of common
    answers.


    >Which is not to say that posting it regularly should be stopped. It doesn't
    >hurt anything. It's just not something I think deserves a lot of discussion.


    If possible, though, without wind-baggery.

    If you want wiki pages, write wiki pages in wiki. Preferably so good
    that they need no updating, or so bad that they get an immediate
    rewrite. If you want an instructive Web site, then write and maintain
    one.

    --
    © John Stockton, Surrey, UK. ?@merlyn.demon.co.uk Turnpike v4.00 IE 4 ©
    <URL:http://www.jibbering.com/faq/> JL/RC: FAQ of news:comp.lang.javascript
    <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js-index.htm> jscr maths, dates, sources.
    <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> TP/BP/Delphi/jscr/&c, FAQ items, links.
     
    Dr John Stockton, Nov 6, 2005
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