FAQ Topic - Which newsgroups deal with javascript?

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The official Usenet newsgroup dealing with javascript is
comp.lang.javascript. There are other newsgroups but many of
them are not carried by most news feeds. clj is an unmoderated newsgroup.


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[Dr J R Stockton]

In comp.lang.javascript message <[email protected].

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The official Usenet newsgroup dealing with javascript is
comp.lang.javascript. There are other newsgroups but many of
them are not carried by most news feeds. clj is an unmoderated newsgroup.

That is the answer to a different question.

The correct answer must include all newsgroups with "javascript" fields
in their names, and should include also jscript and (if there are any)
ecmascript ones. It could rate them by activity and accuracy.

Whether most newsfeeds carry a group was never all that important, and
is even less so now that we have such as Google. If a user can find a
newsgroup, and it is active and linguistically compatible, then he can
reasonably choose to use it.

Don't ignore languages that you cannot read/write - at least one regular
here also contributes regularly (and I expect more grammatically) to
fr.c.l.j; another (everywhere grammatical AFAICS) to de.clj; it.clj is
active; no.clj is quiet, but evidently it is monitored because questions
there often get prompt replies. I don't know about (fj, japan, pl).clj
- but pl.clj looks active.

If you want to give that answer, then change the question to fit.

 

[VK]

The correct answer must include all newsgroups with "javascript" fields
in their names, and should include also jscript and (if there are any)
ecmascript ones. It could rate them by activity and accuracy.

So? "Get the banner in your hands and lead the attack"

1. Collect all NGs for the proposed list
2. For non-English NGs get opinions from their users
3. For all NGs provide one line comment specifying what difference is
from comp.lang.javascript
4. Prepare the whole list and comment in the form you want to see them
posted.
5. Post the result in this thread with <FAQ***RY> included anywhere in
your message.
6. Wait for strict public scrutiny to follow
7. If survived then enjoy the updated post.

 

[Evertjan.]

VK wrote on 26 mrt 2007 in comp.lang.javascript:

1. Collect all NGs for the proposed list

alive.internet.lang.javascript
alt.comp.lang.javascript
alt.swnet.comp.lang.javascript
borland.public.intrabuilder.javascript
comp.lang.java.javascript
comp.lang.javascript
de.comp.lang.javascript
fido7.ru.javascript
fj.comp.lang.javascript
it.comp.lang.javascript
japan.comp.lang.javascript
netscape.public.beta.feedback.javascript
no.it.programmering.javascript
pl.comp.lang.javascript

These are carried by my news server.

 

[Noah Sussman]

VK wrote on 26 mrt 2007 in comp.lang.javascript:

Google Groups carries at least these, in addition to clj.

http://groups.google.com/group/JavaScript-Information
http://groups.google.com.br/group/JavaScript-Japan
http://groups.google.com/group/OOP-Javascript

as well as at least one JScript group

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.scripting.jscript

 

[Evertjan.]

Noah Sussman wrote on 27 mrt 2007 in comp.lang.javascript:
I propose "NGs" in this FAQ entry to mean Usenet-NGs,
not other web forums.

Google Groups carries at least these, in addition to clj.

http://groups.google.com/group/JavaScript-Information
http://groups.google.com.br/group/JavaScript-Japan
http://groups.google.com/group/OOP-Javascript

I think we should restrict ourselves to Usenet NG.s. T
he above are just web forum's of which there are many.

as well as at least one JScript group
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.scripting.jscript

Yes, involving jscript is good, but show it the general Usenet way:

microsoft.public.scripting.jscript

That Google groups and many others have a web entrance to usenet is not
something that need to be included. The DejaVue inherited function as
group archive might well be mentioned.

 

[Dr J R Stockton]

In comp.lang.javascript message <[email protected]>

That Google groups and many others have a web entrance to usenet is not
something that need to be included.

But it does provide a means open to all of discovering what Usenet
groups have javascript (or ecmascript or jscript) in their names.

<http://groups.google.com/>, Explore groups "Search for a group"
"javascript" just gave 407 results; most are not entries for groups
using (more or less) the Usenet mechanism, but it's easy to pick out by
eye clj, it.clj, fr.clj, pl.clj, de.clj, alt.clj, no.clj, fj.clj,
japan.clj, clj.russian and to get a rough idea of which may be
reasonably active.

But it's a matter of changing either the question or the answer of both
in order to make the combination self-compatible and useful - and also
compatible with the rest of the FAQ by referring to m.p.s.jscript.

It would also be appropriate to mention that c.l.j.j is not a properly-
formed or well-propagated group.

 

[VK]

But it does provide a means open to all of discovering what Usenet
groups have javascript (or ecmascript or jscript) in their names.

comp.lang.javascript is a Usenet group, not a web-forum or blog.
Respectively the question "Which newsgroups deal with javascript?"
refers to official Usenet groups passed the standard voting process
and having a charter clearly refering to appropriate thematics.

For Google Groups, Yahoo Groups, forums, blogs etc there is the FAQ
"What online resources are available?" If it is really useful then it
is possible to extend the list - keeping the size within the usability
and plain sanity.

This way ""Which newsgroups deal with javascript?" can be extended
only in two ways:

1) Official national newsgroups (Germany, France, Italy etc.)
2) Vendor-specific ECMAScript implementations (Microsoft, Gecko, Adobe-
PDF, Adobe-ActionScript etc.)

If one could make a verified list of such groups with one-line
description for each then that would be something to support IMO.

 

[Dr J R Stockton]

In comp.lang.javascript message <[email protected]

comp.lang.javascript is a Usenet group, not a web-forum or blog.
Respectively the question "Which newsgroups deal with javascript?"
refers to official Usenet groups passed the standard voting process
and having a charter clearly refering to appropriate thematics.

The negligibility of your sagacity is manifest. There's no reason why
non-Usenet resources should not be used to discover the existence of
Usenet groups not carried by one's own news server. Indeed, Google's
archives are often referred to in

For Google Groups, Yahoo Groups, forums, blogs etc there is the FAQ
"What online resources are available?" If it is really useful then it
is possible to extend the list - keeping the size within the usability
and plain sanity.

True, but irrelevant.

This way ""Which newsgroups deal with javascript?" can be extended
only in two ways:

1) Official national newsgroups (Germany, France, Italy etc.)
2) Vendor-specific ECMAScript implementations (Microsoft, Gecko, Adobe-
PDF, Adobe-ActionScript etc.)

If one could make a verified list of such groups with one-line
description for each then that would be something to support IMO.

I believe that it would be easy enough for someone with direct
administrative access to a classical UNIX news server to extract such a
list, for groups whose names or descriptions included javascript or
ecmascript or jscript; but it would only include those carried by that
server. Google's indiscriminancy provides fuller information, but with
a need to prune out undesirables such as comp.lang.java.javascript.

Some newsgroups are meant to be carried on a proprietary server :
for example. Those do leak out into Usenet propagation;
but there is no leak back in, so that the experts, who use only the
right server, see only properly-posted articles. Contrariwise, the
groups seem fully Usenet-propagated, even though there
is also a web interface at Microsoft.

You seem unaware that de.clj, fr.clj, it.clj etc. are not national
groups; they are linguistic groups. There is, after all, no us.clj.

But there's no difficulty in getting a satisfactory list for the FAQ; it
os only necessary to start with the well-known Javascript / Jscript /
ECMAscript Usenet groups, and wait for feedback.

 

[VK]

There's no reason why
non-Usenet resources should not be used to discover the existence of
Usenet groups not carried by one's own news server. Indeed, Google's
archives are often referred to in news:clj.

Let's us do not mix the Holly Grail and a hot grill. Usenet archives
maintained by DejaNews and now by Google is one thing, Usenet groups
themselves is all another one. For popular and useful Web resources
there is FAQ 3.2
What online resources are available?
http://www.jibbering.com/faq/index.html#FAQ3_2
But the usability and reliability of non-official resource is too much
of personal bias: someone is crazy of site X, some other gets nuts
over it. So I would keep 3.2 as close to it current state as possible:
with the primary focus on official specifications and producers'
documentation. Anyone is still free to suggest extra resources to add
including free personal forums provided by Google, Yahoo, MSN and al

FAQ 2.1 is what it is: official Usenet newsgroups having charter
corresponding to the thematics in question - though maybe from
different aspects and on different languages. This point is not
discutable.

I believe that it would be easy enough for someone with direct
administrative access to a classical UNIX news server to extract such a
list, for groups whose names or descriptions included javascript or
ecmascript or jscript; but it would only include those carried by that
server. Google's indiscriminancy provides fuller information, but with
a need to prune out undesirables such as comp.lang.java.javascript.

All ever officially created Usenet group was once announced at
news.announce.newgroups
with all voting results and charter. This is the standard Usenet
procedure. Google mirror is at
http://groups.google.com/group/news.announce.newgroups/topics

So it is easy to check different search results against the records.
Again, your post is full of wishful thinking but none of practical
actions. Are you going to do it or just stay on "searching the best
approaches to approach the problem"? We are not on monthly fixed
salary here to make the latter anynow interesting ;-)

This way I'm not commenting on the rest of your thoughts. If they are
firm and well established then please realize them into FAQ 2.1 in the
exact form you want to see it so the community could discuss it.

 

[Dr J R Stockton]

In comp.lang.javascript message <[email protected]

On Mar 29, 1:12 am, Dr J R Stockton <[email protected]> wrote:

FAQ 2.1 is what it is: official Usenet newsgroups having charter
corresponding to the thematics in question - though maybe from
different aspects and on different languages. This point is not
discutable.

It is not correct. The Subject says nothing about "official Usenet".

All ever officially created Usenet group was once announced at
news.announce.newgroups
with all voting results and charter. This is the standard Usenet
procedure. Google mirror is at
http://groups.google.com/group/news.announce.newgroups/topics

That will be for the big-8 only. It will not include other hierarchies
such as no. or microsoft.

For the Big-8, the appropriate source is the occasional list posted to
News - news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, news.lists.misc
Subject: List of Big Eight Newsgroups
or the monthly checkgroups message.

The only relevant entry is for c.l.j. (and its description needs
updating!).


For the existing subject line, the answer needs to include clj, mpsj, a
reference to the existence of javascript groups in the various
linguistic hierarchies, an observation on searching the list of groups
provided by the news server(s) that one uses, and a reference to Google
for newsgroups.

It's a good idea to read the newsgroup c.l.j and its FAQ. See below.