Fedup with SPAM

Discussion in 'C Programming' started by dk, Mar 31, 2008.

  1. dk

    dk Guest

    Hi All,


    I am fedup with the amount of spam in this group can anything be done
    for this ?


    -dK
     
    dk, Mar 31, 2008
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  2. dk said:

    > Hi All,
    >
    >
    > I am fedup with the amount of spam in this group can anything be done
    > for this ?


    Since most of it comes from your own news provider, I suggest you take it
    up with them. If you get no response, or an unsatisfactory response,
    switch to a different provider. The more people who do this, the more
    likely Google is to take action against those abusing its service.

    --
    Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk>
    Email: -http://www. +rjh@
    Google users: <http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/writings/googly.php>
    "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
     
    Richard Heathfield, Mar 31, 2008
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  3. dk

    Default User Guest

    dk wrote:

    > Hi All,
    >
    >
    > I am fedup with the amount of spam in this group can anything be done
    > for this ?


    Stop using Google Groups. Get a real news service, and a real
    newsreader with robust filtering capability.




    Brian
     
    Default User, Mar 31, 2008
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  4. dk

    Serve L Guest

    "dk" <> schreef in bericht
    news:...
    > Hi All,
    >
    >
    > I am fedup with the amount of spam in this group can anything be done
    > for this ?


    I kinda like getting horny while reading about C :p
     
    Serve L, Mar 31, 2008
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  5. dk

    CBFalconer Guest

    dk wrote:
    >
    > I am fedup with the amount of spam in this group can anything be
    > done for this ?


    Sure. Use a real news reader and develop the appropriate filters
    for spam. They will cut it down. They will never be 100$
    effective.

    --
    [mail]: Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
    [page]: <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
    Try the download section.



    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
     
    CBFalconer, Mar 31, 2008
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  6. dk

    Guest

    On Apr 1, 2:29 am, CBFalconer <> wrote:
    > dk wrote:
    >
    > > I am fedup with the amount of spam in this group can anything be
    > > done for  this ?

    >
    > Sure.  Use a real news reader and develop the appropriate filters
    > for spam.  They will cut it down.  They will never be 100$
    > effective.
    >


    Cant we request Google to take some action against the spam mails and
    spammers.
    Really even I'm fed up of these spams. I am using Thunderbird but not
    able to create solid spam filter...
     
    , Apr 1, 2008
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  7. dk

    Ben Pfaff Guest

    writes:

    > Cant we request Google to take some action against the spam mails and
    > spammers.


    You can request it all you like, but in my experience they will
    not do anything.
    --
    Ben Pfaff
    http://benpfaff.org
     
    Ben Pfaff, Apr 1, 2008
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  8. said:

    <snip>

    > Cant we request Google to take some action against the spam mails and
    > spammers.


    Yes, we can and we have done, but they don't pay any attention.

    As long as people like you continue to use their service (gmail and Google
    Groups) even though they don't deal with abusers of that service, you are
    justifying their spam-friendly evil-empire policy.

    If you burn your gmail account, and get a new newsreader that talks to a
    real server, and thus punish them by not reading their ads, and if enough
    people do the same, then maybe they'll start to notice that their
    stupidity is costing them money through reduced advertising revenue.

    But don't count on it.

    --
    Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk>
    Email: -http://www. +rjh@
    Google users: <http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/writings/googly.php>
    "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
     
    Richard Heathfield, Apr 1, 2008
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  9. dk

    Default User Guest

    wrote:

    > Cant we request Google to take some action against the spam mails and
    > spammers.


    Do you think that no one has? They don't care.

    If they were anybody but Google, it would have been Usenet Death
    Penalty by now.



    Brian
     
    Default User, Apr 1, 2008
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  10. dk

    Guest

    In article <>,
    Ben Pfaff <> wrote:
    > writes:
    >
    > > Cant we request Google to take some action against the spam mails and
    > > spammers.

    >
    > You can request it all you like, but in my experience they will
    > not do anything.


    A somewhat contrarian view, not my own [*], but IMO interesting
    and worth considering: In order for Google's archives to be valid
    *as* archives, don't they need to be as inclusive as possible?
    which, unfortunately, means including spam and other assorted junk.

    [*] No, I don't remember where I read it.

    Unfortunately, this kind of inclusivity is not what many of us
    want in a news server/provider. Maybe that means Google can't
    play both roles (archive and provider), or that it needs to
    somehow separate the two functions??

    Just a thought. I'll go back to lurking now.

    --
    B. L. Massingill
    ObDisclaimer: I don't speak for my employers; they return the favor.
     
    , Apr 2, 2008
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  11. dk

    arnuld Guest

    > On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:26:31 +0530, Default User wrote:
    >> dk wrote:
    >> Hi All,
    >>
    >>
    >> I am fedup with the amount of spam in this group can anything be done
    >> for this ?



    > Stop using Google Groups. Get a real news service, and a real newsreader
    > with robust filtering capability.


    > Brian


    I too stopped using Google Groups since all spam originates from them. I
    use PAN.

    But I can not find a way to search the last 10-20 years archives. If I
    want to search for some question before I post it, I always have to go
    to Google Groups since they are the only one who have made the archives
    available. any replacement ?
     
    arnuld, Apr 2, 2008
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  12. dk

    arnuld Guest

    > On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:31:09 +0530, Ben Pfaff wrote:

    >> writes:
    >> Cant we request Google to take some action against the spam mails and
    >> spammers.


    > You can request it all you like, but in my experience they will not do
    > anything.



    I have tried that. They do NOT care at ALL. Yesterday, I have also removed
    the gmail account I had :) but thats because of "Cory Doctrow":

    http://www.radaronline.com/from-the...ion_evil_dangerous_surveillance_control_1.php
     
    arnuld, Apr 2, 2008
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  13. dk

    John Bode Guest

    On Mar 31, 6:05 am, dk <> wrote:
    > Hi All,
    >
    > I am fedup with the amount of spam in this group can anything be done
    > for this ?
    >
    > -dK


    The problem is with Google Groups. To avoid the spam, use a different
    news server.

    Yeah, it sucks.
     
    John Bode, Apr 2, 2008
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  14. dk

    Ben Pfaff Guest

    <> writes:

    > A somewhat contrarian view, not my own [*], but IMO interesting
    > and worth considering: In order for Google's archives to be valid
    > *as* archives, don't they need to be as inclusive as possible?


    If this is a real issue, there is an easy solution: tag spam
    instead of excluding it entirely, and don't show articles tagged
    as spam by default.
    --
    "Some people *are* arrogant, and others read the FAQ."
    --Chris Dollin
     
    Ben Pfaff, Apr 2, 2008
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  15. dk

    Flash Gordon Guest

    Ben Pfaff wrote, On 02/04/08 17:05:
    > <> writes:
    >
    >> A somewhat contrarian view, not my own [*], but IMO interesting
    >> and worth considering: In order for Google's archives to be valid
    >> *as* archives, don't they need to be as inclusive as possible?

    >
    > If this is a real issue, there is an easy solution: tag spam
    > instead of excluding it entirely, and don't show articles tagged
    > as spam by default.


    It's easier than that. Automatically suspend an account that triggers
    the spam filters and don't propagate messages that trigger the spam
    filters even if they were posted using Google Groups. They can keep them
    in the archive if they want, I don't care about that.
    --
    Flash Gordon
     
    Flash Gordon, Apr 2, 2008
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  16. dk

    Default User Guest

    wrote:

    > In article <>,
    > Ben Pfaff <> wrote:
    > > writes:
    > >
    > > > Cant we request Google to take some action against the spam mails
    > > > and spammers.

    > >
    > > You can request it all you like, but in my experience they will
    > > not do anything.

    >
    > A somewhat contrarian view, not my own [*], but IMO interesting
    > and worth considering: In order for Google's archives to be valid
    > *as* archives, don't they need to be as inclusive as possible?
    > which, unfortunately, means including spam and other assorted junk.
    >
    > [*] No, I don't remember where I read it.


    Well, as they respect the no archive flag, it doesn't seem like that is
    a goal of theirs. And even if they want to archive spam, it doesn't
    mean they have retransmit it.

    They are the primary spam vector. The behavior is in no way defensible.





    Brian
     
    Default User, Apr 2, 2008
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  17. On Apr 2, 7:26 am, arnuld <> wrote:
    > http://www.radaronline.com/from-the-magazine/2007/09/google_fiction_e...


    :) :)

    Google helpfully truncated the above URL
    but managed to provide it in response to
    "Show Original message". Here it is:

    http://www.radaronline.com/from-the...ion_evil_dangerous_surveillance_control_1.php


    Blaming Google for the death of privacy
    seems like blaming Glock for murders. The
    game was lost before Google even existed, for
    example when California's DMV sold its data
    commercially. (It argued that it had a moral
    obligation to taxpayers to monetize this data.)

    I suppose I'm a "Googlemaniac": I use it for my
    searches; gmail works quite fine for me; if I
    had a better way to post, I'd still be likely to use
    Google Groups for browsing or searching Usenet.

    There is good news for the non-Googlers who
    complain about Google Groups interface:
    you don't know how bad it is! Sometimes, while
    posting, the window will have 7 or 8 distinct
    scroll bars, and I'll have to use 2 of them
    just to scroll to where the scrollbars I really need
    are, then scroll back to the input area.

    Perhaps the most laughable part of Google Group's
    interface concerns the "@" sign. If you
    write "600 balloons@2 cents" I, as a Google Groups user,
    will need to pass a mini-Turing test to read the
    word "balloons"!! This is because Google fears I'm
    a bot trying to accumulate your addresses.
    Obviously such bots will bypass Google when reading
    Usenet, but Google is apparently so megalomaniac
    that it views Usenet as a tiny part of the greater
    Groups over which it has control. The funny/sad
    irony is that, while you guys add "Remove"
    strings to your e-mail addresses, G-Groups won't
    let us do that.


    BTW: I don't have Internet at home and have no-
    where to telnet into. I used to post Usenet
    messages using, IIRC, something like
    Pnews -raw
    It should be an easy matter to create an html
    form that would transfer input to Pnews, or
    equivalent. Anyone care to do this for me? :)
    (Stubborn of me to not have home Internet, perhaps,
    since satellite dishes now make it easy even where
    I live, but I know it would end up being a big
    distraction from my pleasant retirement with
    young kids and wife.)

    James Dow Allen

    (Perhaps I should set the From address to my
    real address: jamesdowallen at gmail
    It gets dozens of spams daily anyway.)
     
    James Dow Allen, Apr 3, 2008
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  18. dk

    arnuld Guest

    > On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:04:20 +0530, James Dow Allen wrote:


    > Blaming Google for the death of privacy seems like blaming Glock for
    > murders. The game was lost before Google even existed, for example when
    > California's DMV sold its data commercially. (It argued that it had
    > a moral obligation to taxpayers to monetize this data.)



    I googled for it ;) and found it quite eqal to AT&T's involvement in NSA
    shows in the movie "The Listening".


    thanks for that.
     
    arnuld, Apr 3, 2008
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  19. dk

    arnuld Guest

    > On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:31:09 +0530, Ben Pfaff wrote:

    > You can request it all you like, but in my experience they will not do
    > anything.



    you know of any alternative to Google Group Archives ?


    When I need to search for a question ranging back to posted
    10 years ago, I have to open Google Groups. Do we have any replaement like
    we have PAN as a replacement for posting using Google groups ?
     
    arnuld, Apr 3, 2008
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  20. dk

    santosh Guest

    arnuld wrote:

    >> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:31:09 +0530, Ben Pfaff wrote:

    >
    >> You can request it all you like, but in my experience they will not
    >> do anything.

    >
    >
    > you know of any alternative to Google Group Archives ?
    >
    >
    > When I need to search for a question ranging back to posted
    > 10 years ago, I have to open Google Groups. Do we have any replaement
    > like we have PAN as a replacement for posting using Google groups ?


    By itself, Pan is not a replacement for Google Groups.

    Many web based programming sites archives Usenet groups that deal with
    their subject. For example a C or C++ forum may archive the contents of
    c.l.c and c.l.c++ alone.
     
    santosh, Apr 3, 2008
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