fixed menue bar

[Knut Krueger]

Hi to all,

http://test.konstanze-krueger.de/index.php?content_e_person.php

#sidebar {position:fixed; margin: 0px 0 0 0px; border: 0; padding: 0;
float: left;
width: 15em;
}

does anybody know why the IE does not fix the left menu bar including
the picture? It works with NE and firefox.

Seems that I uses not the correct syntax.

Regards KNut

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

Hi to all,

http://test.konstanze-krueger.de/index.php?content_e_person.php

#sidebar {position:fixed; margin: 0px 0 0 0px; border: 0; padding: 0;
float: left;
width: 15em;
}

does anybody know why the IE does not fix the left menu bar including
the picture? It works with NE and firefox.

Seems that I uses not the correct syntax.

Because IE doesn't support it yet. :-( I am not sure if the new IE7 does
since I'm on Win2K and cannot install it....

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

http://test.konstanze-krueger.de/index.php?content_e_person.php

#sidebar {position:fixed; ...

does anybody know why the IE does not fix the left menu bar including
the picture? It works with NE and firefox.

position: fixed does not work in IE.

Seems that I uses not the correct syntax.

You probably don't want to do that anyway. All menu items below
"Personal Data" are below the bottom edge of my browser window, and
therefore inaccessible.

 

[Knut Krueger]

Knut Krueger wrote:




position: fixed does not work in IE.




You probably don't want to do that anyway. All menu items below
"Personal Data" are below the bottom edge of my browser window, and
therefore inaccessible.

great .... :-( what browser are you using?

What happens if you hit the refresh button.

Regards Knut

 

[Knut Krueger]

I am not sure if the new IE7 does

yes it does just installed the IE7 but the menues are over the textfiled.

by the way is it possible to use IE version 6 and 7 in one system?


Regards Knut

 

[Knut Krueger]

I am not sure if the new IE7 does

yes it does, just installed the IE7 but the menues are over the textfield.

by the way is it possible to use IE version 6 and 7 in one system?


Regards Knut

 

[Ed Mullen]

yes it does just installed the IE7 but the menues are over the textfiled.

by the way is it possible to use IE version 6 and 7 in one system?


Regards Knut

When you install IE7 it uninstalls IE6. If you uninstall 7 it will
restore 6. You can "sort of" run both but not with full functionality.
The setup process is a bit tricky but I did get it to work. The only
thing I use either IE for is testing of pages. Here are some links you
can peruse.

http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2005/12/28/434132.aspx
http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2006/02/02/437196.aspx
http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2005/08/12/422335.aspx
http://labs.insert-title.com/labs/article795.aspx

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[Knut Krueger]

yes it does, just installed the IE7 but the menues are over the textfield.

#sidebar {position:fixed; left:0px;
float: left;
width: 15em;
}

Now it is at the left margin.
Regards knut

 

[Knut Krueger]

When you install IE7 it uninstalls IE6. If you uninstall 7 it will
restore 6. You can "sort of" run both but not with full functionality.
The setup process is a bit tricky but I did get it to work. The only
thing I use either IE for is testing of pages. Here are some links you
can peruse.

I have another other machines with IE6.0 So I do not need not to use
some "tricky" setup ;-)

But what are professional webdesigner doing. It seems to be impossible
to test all avaliable versions of browser. and as I can read from
Beauregard , there is somtehing wrong, using his browser. My 6.0 is
different from Jonathans ....

Regards Knut

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

great .... :-( what browser are you using?

Firefox 1.5.0.3

What happens if you hit the refresh button.

Nothing different. What you didn't ask is "how tall is your browser
window?" Even with a maximized 800x600 browser window, with a couple of
toolbars, your menu is not completely visible, and therefore,
unclickable below a certain point. On an older 640x480 maximized window,
none of the menu items are showing at all.

You should consider not using the fixed positioning, as visitors expect
the entire page to scroll, and are accustomed to doing that.

Remember, not everyone, even with high resolution monitors, browses with
a full-screen window, and you should always test with small windows.
Screen resolution is unimportant.

 

[Knut Krueger]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty schrieb:

Nothing different. What you didn't ask is "how tall is your browser
window?" Even with a maximized 800x600 browser window, with a couple of
toolbars, your menu is not completely visible, and therefore,
unclickable below a certain point. On an older 640x480 maximized window,
none of the menu items are showing at all.

You should consider not using the fixed positioning, as visitors expect
the entire page to scroll, and are accustomed to doing that.

Remember, not everyone, even with high resolution monitors, browses with
a full-screen window, and you should always test with small windows.
Screen resolution is unimportant.

That's the problem of the fixed menu bar which I tested in the link ...
http://test.konstanze-krueger.de/index.php

but
http://uni-regensburg.konstanze-krueger.de
is no fixed menu.

Do you think there is any solution except the version above without
fixed menu?

Regards Knut

 

[Knut Krueger]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty schrieb:

Nothing different. What you didn't ask is "how tall is your browser
window?"

but this is only possible with java script, isn't it?

Even with a maximized 800x600 browser window, with a couple of

toolbars, your menu is not completely visible, and therefore,
unclickable below a certain point. On an older 640x480 maximized window,
none of the menu items are showing at all.

You should consider not using the fixed positioning, as visitors expect
the entire page to scroll, and are accustomed to doing that.

Remember, not everyone, even with high resolution monitors, browses with
a full-screen window, and you should always test with small windows.
Screen resolution is unimportant.

That's the problem of the fixed menu bar which I tested in the link ...
http://test.konstanze-krueger.de/index.php

but
http://uni-regensburg.konstanze-krueger.de
is no fixed menu.

Do you think there is any solution except the version above without
fixed menu?

Regards Knut

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

but this is only possible with java script, isn't it?

What is possible with JavaScript? You the author trying to determine
how tall my window is? Maybe you could, if I had JavaScript enabled.

If it was enabled, and if you were able to determine that my window
wasn't a thousand pixels tall, would you attempt to resize it, and
really annoy me? If you used JavaScript to maximize my window, I'd be
gone from your site in an instant. It's my browser.

That's the problem of the fixed menu bar which I tested in the link
... http://test.konstanze-krueger.de/index.php

but
http://uni-regensburg.konstanze-krueger.de
is no fixed menu.

Do you think there is any solution except the version above without
fixed menu?

The only solution is to not use the fixed-position menu. Or .. possibly
... have a menu that is only 250-300 pixels tall and starts at the very
top of the page. But I wouldn't really recommend that.

Let it scroll. People are used to that.

 

[Knut Krueger]

Knut Krueger wrote:




What is possible with JavaScript? You the author trying to determine
how tall my window is? Maybe you could, if I had JavaScript enabled.

If it was enabled, and if you were able to determine that my window
wasn't a thousand pixels tall, would you attempt to resize it, and
really annoy me?
If you used JavaScript to maximize my window, I'd be
gone from your site in an instant. It's my browser.

No, I would try to determinate whether the menu bar is fitting in the
browser window. If not, I would be disable the fixed position.
I am using PHP and therefore I could change the Layout. But the problem
is to get the information. That's not possible with php.
If there would be a information with Java Script I could use it. If
JavaScript is disabled I must use unfixed menus.
I that case I would not annoy anybody but would serve a fixed menu bar
for user like me - i like it

But I hate, like you, fixed windows, resized window and such JavaScript
stuff.

Regards Knut

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty schrieb:


That's the problem of the fixed menu bar which I tested in the link ...
http://test.konstanze-krueger.de/index.php

but
http://uni-regensburg.konstanze-krueger.de
is no fixed menu.

Do you think there is any solution except the version above without
fixed menu?

I would not worry about it. If you like the fixed menu, use it. For
browsers that don't support it, like IE 6, the menu will scroll with the
page; but really that is no "biggie", it is the way most menus on web
pages work so the "failure" degrades nicely!

Don't worry if there are small differences between browsers; worry when
the differences are such that the page becomes illegible, unusable, or
hangs the browser!

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

No, I would try to determinate whether the menu bar is fitting in the
browser window. If not, I would be disable the fixed position.

Possible, but only if JavaScript is enabled, then you would have to
rewrite your page.

I am using PHP and therefore I could change the Layout. But the problem
is to get the information. That's not possible with php.
If there would be a information with Java Script I could use it. If
JavaScript is disabled I must use unfixed menus.

...and necessitating a second call to the page, as I see it.

I that case I would not annoy anybody but would serve a fixed menu bar
for user like me - i like it

But I hate, like you, fixed windows, resized window and such JavaScript
stuff.

That's good to hear. <g>

 

[Ed Mullen]

I have another other machines with IE6.0 So I do not need not to use
some "tricky" setup ;-)

Understood. I have several machines available as well, one of which I
did the hack install to have both versions of IE available. The others
have only one.

But what are professional webdesigner doing. It seems to be impossible
to test all avaliable versions of browser. and as I can read from
Beauregard , there is somtehing wrong, using his browser. My 6.0 is
different from Jonathans ....

Regards Knut

My understanding from when I looked into it is that you can:

1. Run one or the other with full functionality, but not both.
2. Run both with limited functionality.
3. Use two machines, one for each version.
4. Use a dual-boot or virtual machine to get full functionality on a
single machine.

As to why two versions of IE6 are acting differently, beats me, other
than possible sub-version/build differences or add-ons.

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they go flying by.

 

[Knut Krueger]

Remember, not everyone, even with high resolution monitors, browses with
a full-screen window, and you should always test with small windows.
Screen resolution is unimportant.

I tired to build in an fix/unfix menu item .... below the other menu.
I expanded the research menu and was not able to unfix the menus.
The unfix item was below the bottom of my page

ROTFL

Knut