Frames or Not

[DaveG]

Hi. I am reading all the posts here and I can see that the way forward for
me is to learn CSS and forget what I read in my "Using HTLM" book where
they teach layout using tables.

My question is, do I still need to use frames (2 vertical) to still
achieve the nav bar in the left frame and the main pages displayed in the
right or can I achieve this with css and divs etc.

Are there any good tutorial sites that can start me off on CSS, I live in
Oslo, though it's a beautiful city, the availability of good books is
poor.

Thanks Dave

 

[Edwin van der Vaart]

Hi. I am reading all the posts here and I can see that the way forward for
me is to learn CSS and forget what I read in my "Using HTLM" book where
they teach layout using tables.

My question is, do I still need to use frames (2 vertical) to still
achieve the nav bar in the left frame and the main pages displayed in the
right or can I achieve this with css and divs etc.

I personally recommen css instead of 'rames'.

 

[Karl Groves]

Hi. I am reading all the posts here

My question is, do I still need to use frames

<snip>

apparently you aren't reading all the posts.


-Karl

 

[Sam Hughes]

Hi. I am reading all the posts here and I can see that the way forward
for
me is to learn CSS and forget what I read in my "Using HTLM" book where
they teach layout using tables.

My question is, do I still need to use frames (2 vertical) to still
achieve the nav bar in the left frame and the main pages displayed in the
right or can I achieve this with css and divs etc.

Do you mean frames, or a table? Because you refered to the use of tables,
not frames, for layout. Frames have many problems of their own, dealing
with search engines, bookmarks, and extra work for the author, anyway.

But anyway, yes, you can still do that sort of layout.

 

[Toby Inkster]

My question is, do I still need to use frames (2 vertical) to still
achieve the nav bar in the left frame and the main pages displayed in the
right

One has *never* needed frames to do that.

 

[DaveG]

Do you mean frames, or a table? Because you refered to the use of tables,
not frames, for layout. Frames have many problems of their own, dealing
with search engines, bookmarks, and extra work for the author, anyway.

But anyway, yes, you can still do that sort of layout.

Thanks for the reply....

Yes I meant Frames, I was just pointing out that the book I originally
read published in 1997 taught "Advanced layout with Tables". I also
think that even though one uses Frames the pages still need to be
formatted for layout, I was trying to ask can I use CSS to do the same as
I could in Frames (click a link in one Frame and change the page in
another) or do I use Frames and then CSS to format the page in each Frame.

Thanks

 

[Webcastmaker]

Hi. I am reading all the posts here and I can see that the way forward for
me is to learn CSS and forget what I read in my "Using HTLM" book where
they teach layout using tables.

Most books still use tables for layout. Many developers use a
combination of tables and CSS depending on what you are trying to do.

My question is, do I still need to use frames (2 vertical) to still
achieve the nav bar in the left frame and the main pages displayed in the
right or can I achieve this with css and divs etc.

Yes, you still would need to do that if you wanted the static menu
and different pages to "appear" on the side. But the newest "design
ideas" are that you don't NEED a static menu, you either just re-
display it (any number of ways but ssi is probably the easiest) And
your users will figure out that the menu is either at the top or on
the side should they scroll it off the visible page.

Are there any good tutorial sites that can start me off on CSS, I live in
Oslo, though it's a beautiful city, the availability of good books is
poor.

You can start with w3schools.com they have some tutorials

 

[DaveG]

Most books still use tables for layout. Many developers use a
combination of tables and CSS depending on what you are trying to do.


Yes, you still would need to do that if you wanted the static menu
and different pages to "appear" on the side. But the newest "design
ideas" are that you don't NEED a static menu, you either just re-
display it (any number of ways but ssi is probably the easiest) And
your users will figure out that the menu is either at the top or on
the side should they scroll it off the visible page.


You can start with w3schools.com they have some tutorials

Thank you for the advice

 

[rf]

DaveG wrote

I was just pointing out that the book I originally
read published in 1997 taught "Advanced layout with Tables". I also

What? Seven years ago? Hopelessly out of date.

A book published even just two years ago would be a bit suspect.