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Ser · May 27, 2004

Hi, how to get a link without the annoying underline?
and is it possible to adjust the behavior of the link when mouseover or
selected?

Thanks..

Karl Groves · May 27, 2004

Ser said:
Hi, how to get a link without the annoying underline?
and is it possible to adjust the behavior of the link when mouseover or
selected?

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www/links.html

-Karl

SpaceGirl · May 27, 2004

Ser said:
Hi, how to get a link without the annoying underline?
and is it possible to adjust the behavior of the link when mouseover or
selected?

Thanks..

Hon, you shouldn't be TRYING. Underlines indicate something for a user to
click on. It's part of The Way Things Work, and you should avoid messing
with it unless you want to wind up your visitors.

Ser · May 27, 2004

Nice page....

does not help very much, a lot of complicated information that says that i
have to learn working with stylesheets,
how i should make and use those stylesheets is not clear, is'nt there a
simple way to remove those underlines? without taking a stylesheetcourse?

Ser

Augustus · May 27, 2004

Ser said:
Hi, how to get a link without the annoying underline?
and is it possible to adjust the behavior of the link when mouseover or
selected?

Ser · May 27, 2004

Hon, you shouldn't be TRYING. Underlines indicate something for a user to
click on. It's part of The Way Things Work, and you should avoid messing
with it unless you want to wind up your visitors.

Well, maybe youre right, but when text placed in a navigationpiece, is
should be clear to the visitor that there's something to click on

but its straight ugly, and thats why I would like to see it been removed..

Ser

Duende · May 27, 2004

While sitting in a puddle SpaceGirl scribbled in the mud:

you want to wind up your visitors.

Spacebabe, you can wind me up anyway you want to.

SpaceGirl · May 27, 2004

Duende said:
While sitting in a puddle SpaceGirl scribbled in the mud:

Spacebabe, you can wind me up anyway you want to.

I'm too old for you Dee

Ser · May 27, 2004

<a href='MyLink.asp' style='text-decoration:none;'>My Link</a>

Thanks Augustus..this is something that works

Richard · May 27, 2004

Ser said:
Thanks Augustus..this is something that works

You can also define the various actions for the <a> tag in css.
Such as a:hover{} a:visited{} and a:link{}.
Then you can activate the links with "onclick".
And other ways of doing it.

Karl Groves · May 27, 2004

Nice page....

does not help very much, a lot of complicated information that says that i
have to learn working with stylesheets,
how i should make and use those stylesheets is not clear, is'nt there a
simple way to remove those underlines? without taking a stylesheetcourse?

Please don't top-post.

I think you've missed the spirit of Jukka's article - quite simply that
links want to be links.
Keep the underline. It will help people know that the text is a link.

-Karl

Whitecrest · May 27, 2004

Hi, how to get a link without the annoying underline?
and is it possible to adjust the behavior of the link when mouseover or
selected?

<a href="something" style="text-decoration:None;">the link text</a>

But links want to be underlined.

Augustus · May 27, 2004

Ser said:
Thanks Augustus..this is something that works

You should still get in to using style sheets... this could also have been
done by putting <style> in your <head> tags (or linking to it externally)

such as:

<style type=text/css rel=stylesheet>
..mylink {font-family:arial;text-decoration:none;font-size:.9em;}
..mylink:hover {background-color:yellow;}
</style>

and then later in your file:

<a href='mylink.asp' class=mylink>My Link</a>

What that would do is make the words "My Link" set in the arial font, a
little smaller than usual (about 12px) and when the mouse is over it
highlight the item with a yellow background

There is quite abit you can do with stylesheets

Neal · May 27, 2004

Well, maybe youre right, but when text placed in a navigationpiece, is
should be clear to the visitor that there's something to click on
but its straight ugly, and thats why I would like to see it been
removed..

Well, as this is for a navigation system, so long as you make it extremely
obvious that it is navigation removing the underlining is excusable.
Should've said so in the beginning

text-decoration is the property you want.

Basic CSS is not hard to master. Eventually it gets a *little* tough, but
for basic text formatting it's pretty simple.
http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp is pretty good for starters.

Frogleg · May 28, 2004

I think you've missed the spirit of Jukka's article - quite simply that
links want to be links.
Keep the underline. It will help people know that the text is a link.

And don't use underlining with NON-link text. You may not like the
appearance of underlined links, but it's a convention most people are
used to.

Karl Groves · May 28, 2004

Frogleg said:
And don't use underlining with NON-link text. You may not like the
appearance of underlined links, but it's a convention most people are
used to.

<AOLer>I agree</AOLer>

-Karl

Karl Groves · May 28, 2004

Karl Groves said:
<AOLer>I agree</AOLer>

To expand on this a little:

We recently ran a usability test on a large non-profit's site where, for
some unknown reason, they chose to create some text in blue, with
underlines. The main body text was normal black-on-white text, but there'd
be some parts where a word or phrase was marked up as blue & underlined.
It was very weird, as if someone in upper management created a mockup to
indicate where they wanted a link but the "developers" just left it that
way.

At any rate, ALL participants were confused by this, attempted to click the
words, and got frustrated when clicking did nothing.

While this was an extreme case (by being both a different text color AND
underlined), my experience tells me that people exhibit the same behavior
whenever ANY text is underlined.

-Karl

rf · May 28, 2004

Karl Groves said:
We recently ran a usability test on a large non-profit's site

While this was an extreme case (by being both a different text color AND
underlined), my experience tells me that people exhibit the same behavior
whenever ANY text is underlined.

A couple of years ago somebody sent a site over to alt.html.critique for a
review. For some bizarre reason said person insisted that the cursor be a
crosshair rather than the standard arrow/hand.

Since the a:hover cursor was not a hand it took a concious effort to
actually click on *anything*. The page was, for me, almost unusable.

Cheers
Richard.

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