google and page ranking

[-Rob]

What is the optimum timeframe within which to resubmit (and not resubmit)
website to google. I am being told different things by different people.

I was told 2 months is optimum. no more, no less. And that if any search
engine optimisation work had been done on a site, it was necessary to
resubmit the site once every two months to ensure the ranking was not pushed
down by "sites which would have achieved an equal page rank, had they
originally been submitted at the same time"

I'm going to post this to alt.search-engines - forgive me for cross posting
and thanks
in advance for your help.

 

[PeterMcC]

What is the optimum timeframe within which to resubmit (and not
resubmit) website to google. I am being told different things by
different people.

I was told 2 months is optimum. no more, no less. And that if any
search engine optimisation work had been done on a site, it was
necessary to resubmit the site once every two months to ensure the
ranking was not pushed down by "sites which would have achieved an
equal page rank, had they originally been submitted at the same time"

Once the spiders find you, they revisit regularly.

 

[Robert Wallace]

What is the optimum timeframe within which to resubmit (and not resubmit)
website to google. I am being told different things by different people.

I was told 2 months is optimum. no more, no less. And that if any search
engine optimisation work had been done on a site, it was necessary to
resubmit the site once every two months to ensure the ranking was not pushed
down by "sites which would have achieved an equal page rank, had they
originally been submitted at the same time"

google spidered my site at once. I only submitted my site one time and I
get loads of hits.
there's a good book about google hacks by o'reilly
look at "google hacks" at www.oreilly.com.

 

[Toby A Inkster]

I'm going to post this to alt.search-engines - forgive me for cross posting
and thanks
in advance for your help.

I'm sure we would all forgive you for cross-posting, but you haven't
cross-posted: you have multi-posted.

<URL:http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost>

 

[-Rob]

Once the spiders find you, they revisit regularly.
Hmm, this is strange. I know a company (7000 clients) who swear by the
almighty great web designer in the sky that by submitting to google,
manually, every two months is both necessary and appropriate, to ensure that
the rank of the site is not pushed down by other sites which are

1) for arguments sake, equal, in terms of page rank and keyword use
2) Which have been submitted more recently.

This company says that by resubmitting to google, anything else with the
same level of optimisation that has been submitted more recently will appear
on top... assuming the sites are the same, in terms of keyword usage, that
is.

Is usage a proper word even. Help!

 

[rf]

Hmm, this is strange. I know a company (7000 clients) who swear by the
almighty great web designer in the sky that by submitting to google,
manually, every two months is both necessary and appropriate, to ensure that
the rank of the site is not pushed down by other sites which are

1) for arguments sake, equal, in terms of page rank and keyword use
2) Which have been submitted more recently.

This company says that by resubmitting to google, anything else with the
same level of optimisation that has been submitted more recently will appear
on top... assuming the sites are the same, in terms of keyword usage, that
is.

Hmmm.

Why don't you go to the place where all this is discussed, google's web
site. Guidelines for sumitting your site to them is all spelt out there.

One thing to remember, submit more frequently than their spam filter
considers inappropriate and you are gone

Cheers
Richard.

 

[PeterMcC]

Hmm, this is strange. I know a company (7000 clients) who swear by the
almighty great web designer in the sky that by submitting to google,
manually, every two months is both necessary and appropriate, to
ensure that the rank of the site is not pushed down by other sites
which are

1) for arguments sake, equal, in terms of page rank and keyword use
2) Which have been submitted more recently.

This company says that by resubmitting to google, anything else with
the same level of optimisation that has been submitted more recently
will appear on top... assuming the sites are the same, in terms of
keyword usage, that is.

Sorry to be blunt but they are wrong, either because they don't know about
search engine optimisation or because they are trying to deliberately
mislead. Either way, it wouldn't encourage me to use their services

 

[William Tasso]

they do

Hmm, this is strange. I know a company (7000 clients) who swear by the
almighty great web designer in the sky that by submitting to google,
manually, every two months is both necessary and appropriate, to
ensure that the rank of the site is not pushed down by other sites
which are

stuff and nonsense.

1) for arguments sake, equal, in terms of page rank and keyword use

fud (fear, uncertainty and doubt)

2) Which have been submitted more recently.

smoke and mirrors

This company says that by resubmitting to google, anything else with
the same level of optimisation that has been submitted more recently
will appear on top... assuming the sites are the same, in terms of
keyword usage, that is.
garbage

Is usage a proper word even. Help!

hmmm - I think it works in that context.

once your pages are indexed, they will be spidered (and respidered)
regularly, according to the algorithms of each se bot. there are things you
can do to encourage more frequent repeat visits, but there is no point
unless there are regular changes to your pages. If you desire regular
repeat visits then you must ensure that there is new content every time the
bot re-spiders pages it has already indexed - that will encourage it to
revisit more frequently.

The frequency of visits has no impact on the serps for a page where the
content remains the same.

 

[-Rob]

once your pages are indexed, they will be spidered (and respidered)

regularly, according to the algorithms of each se bot. there are things you
can do to encourage more frequent repeat visits, but there is no point
unless there are regular changes to your pages. If you desire regular
repeat visits then you must ensure that there is new content every time the
bot re-spiders pages it has already indexed - that will encourage it to
revisit more frequently.

The frequency of visits has no impact on the serps for a page where the
content remains the same.

Thanks for your very helpful info mate, and also to everyone else. Hmmmm is
all I can think to say, re: this company who is selling a re-submission
service.

 

[PeterMcC]

Thanks for your very helpful info mate, and also to everyone else.
Hmmmm is all I can think to say, re: this company who is selling a
re-submission service.

The posters have all been lying to you Rob, it's a conspiracy - send me
money on a regular basis and I'll re-submit your site every two months,
honest ;-)

<serious>It's a pleasure to think that the replies may have helped keep a
little of your money in your pocket and out of a less deserving one.
</serious>

 

[-Rob]

The posters have all been lying to you Rob, it's a conspiracy - send me

money on a regular basis and I'll re-submit your site every two months,
honest ;-)

<serious>It's a pleasure to think that the replies may have helped keep a
little of your money in your pocket and out of a less deserving one.
</serious>

Does everything we have discussed, leading up to the conclusion that
re-submission is not at all necessary for sites listed on google, apply to
"the majority of other search engines"

Im wondering, given that this company is charging £300 for 6 manual
submissions to just over a dozen or so major search engines per year,
whether or not there is any benefit for the client?

~Rob

 

[shank]

What is the optimum timeframe within which to resubmit (and not resubmit)
website to google. I am being told different things by different people.

I was told 2 months is optimum. no more, no less. And that if any search
engine optimisation work had been done on a site, it was necessary to
resubmit the site once every two months to ensure the ranking was not pushed
down by "sites which would have achieved an equal page rank, had they
originally been submitted at the same time"

I'm going to post this to alt.search-engines - forgive me for cross posting
and thanks
in advance for your help.

Resubmission is poppycock!
What counts more is how many other sites have legitimately linked to your
site. However, don't get into one of those linking or banner networks.
Google detects those also and you'll be gone. Once gone it can take forever
to get back. Regardless of what you do, you will notice yourself and others
moving up and down in the ranks.

Personally, I think the search engines make their money by advertising. To
be successful, they need new and frequent users constantly. Assume that the
top 10 websites today stayed that way indefinately. Everytime you searched,
you got the same results. Would you keep coming back to Google? Not likely.
That's why I believe they are constantly changing their criteria daily
weekly or whatever.

Good luck!

 

[PeterMcC]

Resubmission is poppycock!
What counts more is how many other sites have legitimately linked to
your site. However, don't get into one of those linking or banner
networks. Google detects those also and you'll be gone. Once gone it
can take forever to get back. Regardless of what you do, you will
notice yourself and others moving up and down in the ranks.

Sound advice

Personally, I think the search engines make their money by
advertising. To be successful, they need new and frequent users
constantly. Assume that the top 10 websites today stayed that way
indefinately. Everytime you searched, you got the same results. Would
you keep coming back to Google? Not likely. That's why I believe they
are constantly changing their criteria daily weekly or whatever.

An interesting speculation but, AFAIK, there's no information to support it
and I'd caution against building that into your model of how the SERPs
algorithm works.

 

[shank]

Sound advice


An interesting speculation but, AFAIK, there's no information to support it
and I'd caution against building that into your model of how the SERPs
algorithm works.

Correct. It is speculation. But I would like to see a qualified lucid answer
as to why the same search term will produce different results in the top 10
list across a few weeks. Certainly the top 10 are not trying to get off that
list!
)

 

[PeterMcC]

Correct. It is speculation. But I would like to see a qualified lucid
answer as to why the same search term will produce different results
in the top 10 list across a few weeks. Certainly the top 10 are not
trying to get off that list!
)

A butterfly flaps its wings and, on the Google servers ...

Seriously, I'm sure that there is no "random shake-up" element at work, the
sites move around in the results because one achieves ascendancy over
another as a result of site changes that impact on one of over a hundred
factors that are used in the Google algorithm or because new sites make it
into the upper reaches of the results. I've got sites at No 1 on Google that
have been there for a couple of years now.

 

[Toby A Inkster]

Seriously, I'm sure that there is no "random shake-up" element at work, the
sites move around in the results because one achieves ascendancy over
another as a result of site changes that impact on one of over a hundred
factors that are used in the Google algorithm or because new sites make it
into the upper reaches of the results.

True. My website is no longer the top result for Toby Inkster -- it's 7th
(or 4th, depending on how you count Google's grouping of pages on the same
domain).

Although, yay, I am still #1 for Toby A Inkster.

 

[Mini Me]

What is the optimum timeframe within which to resubmit (and not resubmit)
website to google. I am being told different things by different people.

I was told 2 months is optimum. no more, no less. And that if any search
engine optimisation work had been done on a site, it was necessary to
resubmit the site once every two months to ensure the ranking was not pushed
down by "sites which would have achieved an equal page rank, had they
originally been submitted at the same time"

I'm going to post this to alt.search-engines - forgive me for cross posting
and thanks
in advance for your help.

You might try paid inclusion. For something like $34/year you can
gaurantee that your site will get spidered regularly.

http://www.inktomi.com/products/web_search/sms.html

Beyond that, I HIGHLY recommend the book "Google Hacks" which includes
some great information on optimizing your site specifically for Google.

However, please note that the various big search engines value things
differently, so optimizing your site for Google might lower your ranking
on other search engines (like any of the other search engines really
matter).