Help to REPEAT (not stretch!) AN IMAGE <--HORIZONTALLY--> WITHIN ACELL w/EXAMPLE

Discussion in 'HTML' started by MISS CHIEVOUS, Feb 13, 2009.

  1. Hi, I have almost no experience with CSS (I only just got a
    Dreamweaver book, and will be doing the tutorials, honest!) but could
    someone help me patch up just one basic html page that I am almost
    certain will need CSS?

    THERE ARE TWO CONFLICTING ISSUES I'M RUNNING INTO:

    1>>>>> I want the table to automatically RESIZE ITSELF <--
    HORIZONTALLY--> to the width of the User's Monitor/Browser

    2>>>>> The REPEATING GRAPHIC that appears below the top graphic is a
    gradient: This means that it displays correctly ONLY if either
    REPEATING or OVERLAPPING -- but NOT if it is
    ( ( S T R E T C H E D ) ).

    I hope that makes sense (blush). Thanks, and both the HTML and the
    EXAMPLE LINK follow.

    MC

    ===================================================
    http://www.geocities.com/a4248713/REPEATME.html

    - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
    <html>
    <head>
    <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-
    Type">
    <title>HORIZONTALLY-REPEAT AN IMAGE IN A CELL</title>
    </head>
    <body style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"
    alink="#ee0000" link="#0000ee" vlink="#551a8b">
    <table style="text-align: left; width: 100%; margin-left: auto; margin-
    right: auto;"
    border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
    <tbody>
    <tr>
    <td style="vertical-align: top;">
    <img style="width: 100%; height: 100%;" alt="" src="http://
    www.geocities.com/a4248713/TOP-IMAGE.jpg"><br>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td style="vertical-align: top;">
    <img style="width: 100px; height: 800px;" alt="" src="http://
    www.geocities.com/a4248713/BOTTOM-HORIZONTAL-TILE.jpg"><br>
    </td>
    </tr>
    </tbody>
    </table>
    <br>
    </body>
    </html>
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
     
    MISS CHIEVOUS, Feb 13, 2009
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    dorayme Guest

    Re: Help to REPEAT (not stretch!) AN IMAGE <--HORIZONTALLY--> WITHIN A CELL w/EXAMPLE

    In article
    <>,
    MISS CHIEVOUS <> wrote:

    > THERE ARE TWO CONFLICTING ISSUES I'M RUNNING INTO:
    >
    > 1>>>>> I want the table to automatically RESIZE ITSELF <--
    > HORIZONTALLY--> to the width of the User's Monitor/Browser
    >
    > 2>>>>> The REPEATING GRAPHIC that appears below the top graphic is a
    > gradient: This means that it displays correctly ONLY if either
    > REPEATING or OVERLAPPING -- but NOT if it is
    > ( ( S T R E T C H E D ) ).
    >
    > I hope that makes sense (blush). Thanks, and both the HTML and the
    > EXAMPLE LINK follow.
    >


    ....

    > - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
    > <html>
    > <head>
    > <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-
    > Type">
    > <title>HORIZONTALLY-REPEAT AN IMAGE IN A CELL</titl


    Your top img does stretch on my browsers by the simple method of 100%
    for width specification for the image. So I will deal with the second
    problem.

    Instead of your:

    <td style="vertical-align: top;">
    <img style="width: 100px; height: 800px;" alt="" src="http://
    www.geocities.com/a4248713/BOTTOM-HORIZONTAL-TILE.jpg"><br>
    </td>
    try:

    <td style="vertical-align: top; background: #fff
    url(http://www.geocities.com/a4248713/BOTTOM-HORIZONTAL-TILE.jpg)
    repeat-x; width: 100%; height: 800px;"></td>

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, Feb 13, 2009
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  3. Re: Help to REPEAT (not stretch!) AN IMAGE <--HORIZONTALLY--> WITHINA CELL w/EXAMPLE

    On Feb 13, 2:32 pm, dorayme <> wrote:
    > Instead of your:
    >
    > <td style="vertical-align: top;">
    >       <img style="width: 100px; height: 800px;" alt="" src="http://www.geocities.com/a4248713/BOTTOM-HORIZONTAL-TILE.jpg"><br>
    >       </td>
    > try:
    >
    > <td style="vertical-align: top; background: #fff
    > url(http://www.geocities.com/a4248713/BOTTOM-HORIZONTAL-TILE.jpg)
    > repeat-x; width: 100%; height: 800px;"></td>
    >
    > dorayme


    BRILLIANT! Thank you for such a mercifully SHORT solution dorayme!
    Awesome.

    Hugs,

    MC
     
    MISS CHIEVOUS, Feb 14, 2009
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  4. Re: Help to REPEAT (not stretch!) AN IMAGE <--HORIZONTALLY--> WITHINA CELL w/EXAMPLE

    Oh no!

    Dorayme, this doesn't work in EXPLORER, only in Firefox (?). I do
    need it to be cross-browser compatible (sorry, I should have
    mentioned).

    Any fix? Gee, it looks great in Firefox tsk . . .

    MC
     
    MISS CHIEVOUS, Feb 14, 2009
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    dorayme Guest

    Re: Help to REPEAT (not stretch!) AN IMAGE <--HORIZONTALLY--> WITHIN A CELL w/EXAMPLE

    In article
    <>,
    MISS CHIEVOUS <> wrote:

    > Oh no!
    >
    > Dorayme, this doesn't work in EXPLORER, only in Firefox (?). I do
    > need it to be cross-browser compatible (sorry, I should have
    > mentioned).
    >
    > Any fix? Gee, it looks great in Firefox tsk . . .
    >
    > MC


    Perhaps it might be best to quote the bits that I need. Like what did I
    say? (My newsreader is an online one and does not keep records or
    threads!) And which IE version are you meaning?

    What are you seeing?

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, Feb 14, 2009
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  6. Re: Help to REPEAT (not stretch!) AN IMAGE <--HORIZONTALLY--> WITHINA CELL w/EXAMPLE

    > What are you seeing?
    >
    > dorayme


    Hi dorayme . . . I've been exploring this problem and it seems to be
    endemic to Internet Explorer versions prior to their latest (ver 8)
    which it is rumored has been fixed.

    I am testing
    http://www.geocities.com/a4248713/REPEATME.html
    with your New and Improved td string.

    It looks GREAT on Firefox and Mozilla; but if I open it in Explorer
    5.5 (although, according to everyone I would have the same problem all
    the way up through IEX 7 lol) >>the UPPER GRAPHIC disappears
    completely. What you see, then, are the
    <--HORIZONTALLY--> repeating graphics . . . hiked up to the top of
    the page, as though they are the only content on the page. The upper
    graphic is COMPLETELY gone!!! OMG lol.

    A number of CSS sites, in particular, advise to never use the
    "vertical-align" element with IEX. Fine, so I removed it. And still
    my upper graphic won't show. :(

    I confess I am fussy about this being as browser-friendly as I can
    make it. I do _not_ want to have to butcher the page with a warning
    that the user must "upgrade your browser".

    Browsers! Unngh!

    Any suggestions before I go over to the Dreamweaver forums and, well,
    beg lol?

    MC
     
    MISS CHIEVOUS, Feb 14, 2009
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  7. Re: Help to REPEAT (not stretch!) AN IMAGE <--HORIZONTALLY--> WITHINA CELL w/EXAMPLE

    The Microsoft bug I mentioned is reported here:
    http://connect.microsoft.com/IE/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?FeedbackID=333908

    Meanwhile . . .
    I just took a look at my source code for REPEATME.html and . . .
    WTF??? The VERTICAL-ALIGN is right back!

    How do I get rid of this? Internet Explorer. I'll kill it lol.

    MC
     
    MISS CHIEVOUS, Feb 14, 2009
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  8. Re: Help to REPEAT (not stretch!) AN IMAGE <--HORIZONTALLY--> WITHINA CELL w/EXAMPLE

    Okay, the problem is this first image:

    <td style=""><img style="width: 100%; height: 100%;" alt=""
    src="http://www.geocities.com/a4248713/TOP-IMAGE.jpg"><br>

    If I change the source code to the following by substituting
    height: 100%
    with the image's actual height
    600px
    the image will show in IEX . . . but forces that height even as the
    window is being resized.

    In other words, I get a squished TOP-IMAGE.jpg because its height
    won't reconcile.

    Anyway, enough for this evening. Here is as far as I've gotten with
    it:

    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
    <html>
    <head>
    <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-
    Type">
    <title>HORIZONTALLY-REPEAT AN IMAGE IN A CELL</title>
    </head>
    <body style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
    <table style="width: 100%; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"
    border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
    <tbody>
    <tr>
    <td style=""><img style="width: 100%; height: 600px;" alt=""
    src="http://www.geocities.com/a4248713/TOP-IMAGE.jpg"><br>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td
    style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255) url(http://www.geocities.com/
    a4248713/BOTTOM-HORIZONTAL-TILE.jpg) repeat-x; width: 100%; height:
    800px;"><br>
    </td>
    </tr>
    </tbody>
    </table>
    <br>
    <br>
    </body>
    </html>
     
    MISS CHIEVOUS, Feb 14, 2009
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    dorayme Guest

    Re: Help to REPEAT (not stretch!) AN IMAGE <--HORIZONTALLY--> WITHIN A CELL w/EXAMPLE

    In article
    <>,
    MISS CHIEVOUS <> wrote:

    > > What are you seeing?
    > >
    > > dorayme

    >
    > Hi dorayme . . . I've been exploring this problem and it seems to be
    > endemic to Internet Explorer versions prior to their latest (ver 8)
    > which it is rumored has been fixed.
    >
    > I am testing
    > http://www.geocities.com/a4248713/REPEATME.html
    > with your New and Improved td string.
    >
    > It looks GREAT on Firefox and Mozilla; but if I open it in Explorer
    > 5.5 (although, according to everyone I would have the same problem all
    > the way up through IEX 7 lol) >>the UPPER GRAPHIC disappears
    > completely. What you see, then, are the
    > <--HORIZONTALLY--> repeating graphics . . . hiked up to the top of
    > the page, as though they are the only content on the page. The upper
    > graphic is COMPLETELY gone!!! OMG lol.
    >
    > A number of CSS sites, in particular, advise to never use the
    > "vertical-align" element with IEX. Fine, so I removed it. And still
    > my upper graphic won't show. :(
    >
    > I confess I am fussy about this being as browser-friendly as I can
    > make it. I do _not_ want to have to butcher the page with a warning
    > that the user must "upgrade your browser".
    >
    > Browsers! Unngh!
    >
    > Any suggestions before I go over to the Dreamweaver forums and, well,
    > beg lol?


    In IE

    <p> or <div>

    <img ... width="100%">

    </p> or </div>

    will work but in a table cell, the instruction to % is in relation to
    the image's native width! If you try 50% in a p or div, you will get
    half the p or div's width (100% of its parent by default). At least in
    IE7. In a table cell, it simply goes for the native as benchmark to %
    against.

    So what to do in your case? I'm thinking, I'm thinking... <g>

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, Feb 14, 2009
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    dorayme Guest

    Re: Help to REPEAT (not stretch!) AN IMAGE <--HORIZONTALLY--> WITHIN A CELL w/EXAMPLE

    In article
    <>,
    MISS CHIEVOUS <> wrote:

    > Meanwhile . . .


    You might as well have this bit of my experiment:

    <http://dorayme.netweaver.com.au/alt/chievous/chievous.html>

    Will have to think about IE...

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, Feb 14, 2009
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    Irina Rempt Guest

    Re: Help to REPEAT (not stretch!) AN IMAGE <--HORIZONTALLY--> WITHIN A CELL w/EXAMPLE

    On Saturday 14 February 2009 03:55, MISS CHIEVOUS wrote:

    > Internet Explorer. I'll kill it lol.


    That would seem to be the best solution!

    Irina

    --
    "Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth
    should that mean that it is not real?" --Albus Dumbledore
    http://www.valdyas.org/foundobjects/index.cgi Latest: 13-Feb-2009
     
    Irina Rempt, Feb 14, 2009
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  12. Re: Help to REPEAT (not stretch!) AN IMAGE <--HORIZONTALLY--> WITHINA CELL w/EXAMPLE

    On Feb 14, 5:54 am, Irina Rempt <> wrote:
    > On Saturday 14 February 2009 03:55, MISS CHIEVOUS wrote:
    >
    > > Internet Explorer.  I'll kill it lol.

    >
    > That would seem to be the best solution!
    >
    >    Irina


    LOL!! I hear you there girlfriend. Even more pathetic is to
    contemplate that Microsoft has only _just_ gotten around to fixing
    this so-called "CSS Bug" in Explorer ver. 8! WTF??? lol

    Friends, this is almost surely a CSS script (for which I have
    absolutely no experience groan) so I'll fare forward and hunt down
    some CSS forums. I'll check back periodically to see if dorayme has
    had a breakthrough. I so appreciate his help.

    MC
     
    MISS CHIEVOUS, Feb 14, 2009
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    Bergamot Guest

    Re: Help to REPEAT (not stretch!) AN IMAGE <--HORIZONTALLY--> WITHINA CELL w/EXAMPLE

    MISS CHIEVOUS wrote:
    >
    > <td style=""><img style="width: 100%; height: 100%;" alt=""
    > src="http://www.geocities.com/a4248713/TOP-IMAGE.jpg"><br>
    >
    > If I change the source code to the following by substituting
    > height: 100%
    > with the image's actual height
    > 600px
    > the image will show in IEX . . . but forces that height even as the
    > window is being resized.


    Don't specify a height - omit it altogether. Then the height will scale
    with the width, whatever it is.

    --
    Berg
     
    Bergamot, Feb 14, 2009
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  14. Re: Help to REPEAT (not stretch!) AN IMAGE <--HORIZONTALLY--> WITHINA CELL w/EXAMPLE

    Berg, here is what I just tried with your suggestion:

    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
    <html>
    <head>
    <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-
    Type">
    <title>HORIZONTALLY-REPEAT AN IMAGE IN A CELL</title>
    </head>
    <body style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
    <table style="text-align: left; width: 100%; margin-left: auto; margin-
    right: auto;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">

    <tbody>

    <tr>
    <td style="vertical-align: top;"><img src="http://www.geocities.com/
    a4248713/TOP-IMAGE.jpg"><br>
    </td>
    </tr>

    <tr>
    <td style="vertical-align: top; background: #fff
    url(http://www.geocities.com/a4248713/BOTTOM-HORIZONTAL-TILE.jpg)
    repeat-x; width: 100%; height: 800px;">
    </td>
    </tr>

    </tbody>
    </table>
    <br>
    </body>
    </html>
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    This doesn't work in IEX -- although I have to grant you, it does
    force the top image to show up . . . but in its FIXED size. :( Still
    no auto-sizing; if you had some other iteration of this idea, PLEASE
    post it!

    Explorer. Don't get me started!! Ah the millions of man hours wasted
    for this lousy browser lol . . .

    MC
     
    MISS CHIEVOUS, Feb 14, 2009
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    Bergamot Guest

    Re: Help to REPEAT (not stretch!) AN IMAGE <--HORIZONTALLY--> WITHINA CELL w/EXAMPLE

    Please learn how to quote.
    http://web.presby.edu/~nnqadmin/nnq/nquote.html

    MISS CHIEVOUS wrote:
    > Berg, here is what I just tried with your suggestion:


    And please don't post full code like this. Just post the URL and we can
    check it out for ourselves. You can include a snippet in your post if
    you like, but the URL is good enough.

    > <td style="vertical-align: top;"><img src="http://www.geocities.com/
    > a4248713/TOP-IMAGE.jpg"><br>
    > </td>


    > This doesn't work in IEX -- although I have to grant you, it does
    > force the top image to show up . . . but in its FIXED size.


    You removed both the width and height properties. Keep the width at 100%
    but drop the height altogether.

    --
    Berg
     
    Bergamot, Feb 15, 2009
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  16. Re: Help to REPEAT (not stretch!) AN IMAGE <--HORIZONTALLY--> WITHINA CELL w/EXAMPLE

    On Feb 14, 4:37 pm, Bergamot <> wrote:
    > And please don't post full code like this. Just post the URL and we can
    > check it out for ourselves. You can include a snippet in your post if
    > you like, but the URL is good enough.
    >
    > You removed both the width and height properties. Keep the width at 100%
    > but drop the height altogether.
    >
    > Berg


    You can test any code I'm posting by dropping it into Notepad and
    seeing it in Explorer. I don't have unlimited space on this Geocities
    account to keep throwing up multiple iterations that don't work. And
    no, in answer to your recent suggestion, it doesn't work.

    If you're so certain this works in Explorer, please share the EXACT,
    ENTIRE code for the group, otherwise this is a fishing expedition.

    MC
     
    MISS CHIEVOUS, Feb 15, 2009
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    John Hosking Guest

    Re: Help to REPEAT (not stretch!) AN IMAGE <--HORIZONTALLY--> WITHINA CELL w/EXAMPLE

    MISS CHIEVOUS wrote:
    > On Feb 14, 4:37 pm, Bergamot wrote:
    >> And please don't post full code like this. Just post the URL and we can
    >> check it out for ourselves. You can include a snippet in your post if
    >> you like, but the URL is good enough.
    >>
    >> You removed both the width and height properties. Keep the width at 100%
    >> but drop the height altogether.
    >>

    >
    > You can test any code I'm posting by dropping it into Notepad and
    > seeing it in Explorer.


    He *could*, and so could I, and so could a lot of folks, but we'd have
    to do it individually, each and every one of us. That's a lot of
    redundant work on a problem that is -- let's face it -- of most interest
    to *you*. Beyond which, it's not just the two-step process you make it
    sound like.

    And BTW, it's Internet Explorer, not just Explorer. If you don't want to
    repeatedly write "Internet Explorer," abbreviate by using "IE" like
    everybody else does.

    > I don't have unlimited space on this Geocities
    > account to keep throwing up multiple iterations that don't work.


    Then maybe you need to get a different hosting solution. If your limits
    at Geocities are so tight that you can't put up three or four very
    simple pages of less that 1KB each, you're living on the edge anyway.
    Worst of all is the fact that Geocities has the nasty habit of mangling
    your code for its own advertizing purposes.

    > And
    > no, in answer to your recent suggestion, it doesn't work.
    >
    > If you're so certain this works in Explorer, please share the EXACT,
    > ENTIRE code for the group, otherwise this is a fishing expedition.
    >


    It's a fishing expedition when we can't see your unadulterated code. The
    onus is on you to do the work. We can offer advice, make comments, ask
    questions, etc., but you have to do the work.

    IIUC, Bergamot told you what the problem was, offered advice, but when
    you implemented his suggestions you missed a detail (which he then
    pointed out). Yes? I think you'll learn better by working through the
    suggestions you get, seeing what happens, and following up on the
    feedback. Don't give up.


    --
    John
    Pondering the value of the UIP: http://improve-usenet.org/
     
    John Hosking, Feb 15, 2009
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  18. Re: Help to REPEAT (not stretch!) AN IMAGE <--HORIZONTALLY--> WITHINA CELL w/EXAMPLE

    On Feb 15, 6:53 am, John Hosking <>
    wrote:
    > He *could*, and so could I, and (SNIP)


    Oh I doubt very strongly you have one blessed clue as to this
    workaround. I only wish people like you would quit polluting a thread
    that could be helpful to thousands of people -- and worse, bragging
    that you have a solution.

    You don't have a solution.
    Bergamot doesn't have a solution.
    And Dorayme doesn't have a solution.

    The only difference is that Dorayme honestly confesses this is more
    complicated than he originally thought.

    "Unadulterated code"??? I'm using a stripped-down example
    DELIBERATELY you fool -- because it's a LEARNING EXAMPLE. I can't
    even get one cell to properly display in IEX . . . but you want an
    even more complicated page? Am I understanding that you're
    complaining that my example isn't SUFFICIENTLY CONFUSING?

    Unbelievable.

    > IIUC, Bergamot told you what the problem was, offered advice, but when
    > you implemented his suggestions you missed a detail (which he then
    > pointed out). Yes?


    No. But nice try. I didn't miss any detail that he didn't originally
    omit to qualify in the first place. THIS IS WHY THE _ENTIRE_ CODE
    SHOULD BE POSTED. If the only thing an occasional HTML designer needs
    to do is have the goddamned graphic on one simple page automatically
    expand in IEX to the browser's width, then why suffer him to learn any
    more than he has to to accomplish that ONE THING?

    What are you -- the Lifestyle Police?

    No, as I said earlier, people like you who show up and profess to know
    how to do something but, umm, just kind of, er, 'prefer' not SAYing
    how it's done is an indication of the clueless.

    There is nothing wrong with being clueless. This is obviously a
    considerably more complicated workaround than both Dorayme and I
    originally thought. If I find the solution I will both add it to this
    thread -and- upload it to that little Geocities page. I won't demand
    that a user learn CSS; I'll simply TYPE OUT THE ENTIRE PAGE, FROM TOP
    TO BOTTOM, and let them get up and running with a very basic example
    _immediately_.

    MISS CHIEVOUS
     
    MISS CHIEVOUS, Feb 15, 2009
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  19. MISS CHIEVOUS

    John Hosking Guest

    Re: Help to REPEAT (not stretch!) AN IMAGE <--HORIZONTALLY--> WITHINA CELL w/EXAMPLE

    MISS CHIEVOUS wrote:
    > On Feb 15, 6:53 am, John Hosking wrote:
    >> He *could*, and so could I, and (SNIP)

    >
    > Oh I doubt very strongly you have one blessed clue as to this
    > workaround. I only wish people like you would quit polluting a thread
    > that could be helpful to thousands of people -- and worse, bragging
    > that you have a solution.


    You misunderstand me, Miss. I do not claim to have any solution. I
    haven't studied your problem. I didn't get the full gist of your
    requirements from your OP, or it seems that you changed the problem
    mid-thread, but I have not studied it with any care. Quite likely I do
    not know the solution. Probably I will not pick it up from this thread.

    The point of my post was that if you don't post a URL to your attempt,
    it makes it harder (or at least, more trouble) for any of us to see what
    the problem is. The result tends to be fewer answers. Fewer answers tend
    to equate with reduced likelihood of a solution.

    >
    > You don't have a solution.
    > Bergamot doesn't have a solution.
    > And Dorayme doesn't have a solution.


    I haven't one; I have none to offer. Bergamot offered something, but I'm
    not convinced you tried it. I'm still waiting to see your implementation
    of his suggestions. It may be that dorayme is still refining his first
    suggestion, researching your problem further, or has given up on you
    entirely. See if he posts something after his breakfast.

    >
    > The only difference is that Dorayme honestly confesses this is more
    > complicated than he originally thought.
    >
    > "Unadulterated code"??? I'm using a stripped-down example
    > DELIBERATELY you fool -- because it's a LEARNING EXAMPLE. I can't
    > even get one cell to properly display in IEX . . . but you want an
    > even more complicated page? Am I understanding that you're
    > complaining that my example isn't SUFFICIENTLY CONFUSING?


    No. I do not want something more complicated. I want something as simple
    as possible, without some Geocities crap making your attempts into
    invalid markup. I hate trying to debug a Geocities page because the
    first thing I check is validity. It's aggravating.

    The code snippets you post here are a pain to read, may not be what you
    really tried, may contain errors, etc. A URL eliminates all doubt and
    makes it easy for us to test with just a couple clicks.

    >
    > Unbelievable.
    >


    You should sell your adrenalin on e-bay. ;-)

    >> IIUC, Bergamot told you what the problem was, offered advice, but when
    >> you implemented his suggestions you missed a detail (which he then
    >> pointed out). Yes?

    >
    > No. But nice try. I didn't miss any detail that he didn't originally
    > omit to qualify in the first place.


    So add in now what he added in later. Or just forget your problem,
    ignore the suggestions pending, and leave it all unsolved. Your choice.

    > THIS IS WHY THE _ENTIRE_ CODE
    > SHOULD BE POSTED. If the only thing an occasional HTML designer needs
    > to do is have the goddamned graphic on one simple page automatically
    > expand in IEX to the browser's width, then why suffer him to learn any
    > more than he has to to accomplish that ONE THING?


    You don't have to learn anything if you don't want to. And nobody has to
    try to teach you. Some suffering should be avoided, I agree.

    >
    > What are you -- the Lifestyle Police?


    Hardly. If I were, I'd probably be required to have a lifestyle myself.

    BTW, you know, perhaps, that most cops don't really want to go around
    arresting people after the fact. They'd rather help people get along
    (avoid thefts, reduce accidents, stop domestic arguments before somebody
    gets hurt).

    I was just suggesting that you'd get to your goal more quickly by
    posting your attempts on the Web, rather than putting some snippets of
    code in a NG post by means of cut-and-paste or "typing out the entire
    page", both of which can be error-prone. Also, we get to see your
    doctype and all the details of your attempt.

    >
    > [Further misunderstandings snipped]
    >
    > If I find the solution I will both add it to this
    > thread -and- upload it to that little Geocities page. I won't demand
    > that a user learn CSS; I'll simply TYPE OUT THE ENTIRE PAGE, FROM TOP
    > TO BOTTOM, and let them get up and running with a very basic example
    > _immediately_.


    Good luck with that.



    --
    John
    Thinking Blinky was on the right track with the UIP:
    http://improve-usenet.org/
     
    John Hosking, Feb 15, 2009
    #19
  20. MISS CHIEVOUS

    Bergamot Guest

    Re: Help to REPEAT (not stretch!) AN IMAGE <--HORIZONTALLY--> WITHINA CELL w/EXAMPLE

    MISS CHIEVOUS wrote:
    > On Feb 14, 4:37 pm, Bergamot <> wrote:
    >> And please don't post full code like this. Just post the URL and we can
    >> check it out for ourselves. You can include a snippet in your post if
    >> you like, but the URL is good enough.
    >>
    >> You removed both the width and height properties. Keep the width at 100%
    >> but drop the height altogether.

    >
    > You can test any code I'm posting by dropping it into Notepad and
    > seeing it in Explorer.


    I guess you haven't figured out how this newsgroup works. If you expect
    us to help you, it is your job to make that as easy as possible for us.
    Posting code is not the way, posting a URL is.

    > I don't have unlimited space on this Geocities
    > account to keep throwing up multiple iterations that don't work.


    You're kidding, right? You could post thousands of pages like that test
    page and still have plenty of space left for graphics.

    > And
    > no, in answer to your recent suggestion, it doesn't work.


    WFM
    http://www.bergamotus.ws/samples/miss-chievous.html

    > If you're so certain this works in Explorer, please share the EXACT,
    > ENTIRE code for the group, otherwise this is a fishing expedition.


    I gave you simple enough instructions - keep the width and omit the
    height. You didn't do that, so it's no surprise it didn't work.

    BTW, if you're going to get all snooty and defensive about these things,
    you won't get very far in these newsgroups. If you want to be spoon fed
    all the answers you might want to go somewhere else, anyway. If you're
    actually interested in *learning*, put your ego aside and don't bite the
    hands that feed you.

    --
    Berg
     
    Bergamot, Feb 15, 2009
    #20
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