hi 2 all

[manishkp84]

i wanted u know which book is good 4 a jsp/j2ee/servlet beginers

 

[Lew]

i wanted u know which book is good 4 a jsp/j2ee/servlet beginers

/The Elements of Style/, by Strunk and White, is recommended in your case.

- Lew

 

[David Segall]

/The Elements of Style/, by Strunk and White, is recommended in your case.

I am willing to bet that his style in his native language is
infinitely better than yours. He took the trouble to post in English.
The least you can do is to suggest an appropriate book to improve his
English rather than a book aimed at proficient English speakers.

 

[Lew]

I am willing to bet that his style in his native language is
infinitely better than yours. He took the trouble to post in English.
The least you can do is to suggest an appropriate book to improve his
English rather than a book aimed at proficient English speakers.

What TOEFL course teaches the spelling "u" for "you", "4" for "for", to
lower-case the pronoun "I"?

What makes you think the person's native language is not English? I see no
evidence for that assertion.

Unless you count "l33t" as a non-English language, which I might endorse.

Actually, I see no evidence the OP was asking a question. I parse the message
as "I wanted you to know which book is good for JSP/J2EE/servlet beginners",
but then they never told us.

Unless someone explicitly apologizes for their lack of command of English, I
will hold it a given that posting in English implies the most basic
familiarity with English syntax and orthography.

As to the point of the recommended book being too advanced, you are right.
Next time I will recommend /Dick and Jane/ and a subscription to /My Weekly
Reader/.

- Lew

 

[Luc The Perverse]

What TOEFL course teaches the spelling "u" for "you", "4" for "for", to
lower-case the pronoun "I"?

What makes you think the person's native language is not English? I see no
evidence for that assertion.

Unless you count "l33t" as a non-English language, which I might endorse.

Actually, I see no evidence the OP was asking a question. I parse the
message as "I wanted you to know which book is good for JSP/J2EE/servlet
beginners", but then they never told us.

Unless someone explicitly apologizes for their lack of command of English,
I will hold it a given that posting in English implies the most basic
familiarity with English syntax and orthography.

As to the point of the recommended book being too advanced, you are right.
Next time I will recommend /Dick and Jane/ and a subscription to /My
Weekly Reader/.

My god! Is everyone on the edge or something?

What is wrong with answering questions with a gentle reminder to try to
avoid 1337 speak and text message abbreviations . . . rather than replying
with just an insult and no useful information?

I feel like I'm in alt.games.*

 

[Gordon Beaton]

What TOEFL course teaches the spelling "u" for "you", "4" for "for", to
lower-case the pronoun "I"?

Does it really matter that much to you?

If someone on the street was asking for directions, would you
condescendingly refuse to provide help because they had used broken
English or too much slang?

If you don't *approve* of the language used by some posters, then
simply ignore their posts. If it bothers you to help, then don't.

I find it incredibly arrogant, petty and irritating that a small
number of regular posters to this group have taken it upon themselves
to "teach a lesson" to newbies and others coming here for help. Claims
that this somehow helps the newbie are ridiculous.

In a recent thread, someone asked why so many people work so hard to
answer other peoples questions. I find the current trend to be in
stark contrast with the altruism expressed in many of the replies to
that question.

/gordon

 

[Lew]

In a recent thread, someone asked why so many people work so hard to
answer other peoples questions. I find the current trend to be in
stark contrast with the altruism expressed in many of the replies to
that question.

I apologize for not evincing appropriate generosity of spirit in my response.

- Lew

 

[Stefan Ram]

What TOEFL course teaches the spelling "u" for "you", "4" for "for"

»Secondary school students will be able to use text speak
in written examinations this year, legitimising a language
loved by teenagers.

The move has divided students and educators amid concerns
the move could damage the English language.

The second language of thousands of teenagers, text
language usually incorporates abbreviated words and
phrases such as txt for "text", lol for "laugh out loud"
or "lots of love" and CU for "see you".«

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3854612a11,00.html

 

[Lew]

»Secondary school students will be able to use text speak
in written examinations this year, legitimising a language
loved by teenagers.

The move has divided students and educators amid concerns
the move could damage the English language.

The second language of thousands of teenagers, text
language usually incorporates abbreviated words and
phrases such as txt for "text", lol for "laugh out loud"
or "lots of love" and CU for "see you".«

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3854612a11,00.html

New Zealand teaches English as a foreign language?

My post was in response to someone thinking that the "leet" speak was from a
non-native English speaker. My point was that it was more typical of native
English speakers, as the New Zealand Qualifications Authority (NZQA) is
finding out, according to the link you posted.

I am sure looking forward to having a crop of illiterate, undereducated
coworkers to come out of this system. There was a recent thread where many
folks endorsed the notion that effective communication skills are necessary
for success as a programmer. If we do not help people recognize that "l33t"
does not effectively communicate, nor is professional, then they will be
hampered by their own lack of skill forever.

Do we not owe it to folks in this forum to help them advance?

- Lew

 

[Alex Hunsley]

I am willing to bet that his style in his native language is
infinitely better than yours. He took the trouble to post in English.

No, he took the trouble to post in txt-english, which isn't quite English.

 

[Randolf Richardson]

That looks a lot like "a school system admitting that they've failed to
teach proper English."

[sNip]

I am sure looking forward to having a crop of illiterate, undereducated
coworkers to come out of this system. There was a recent thread where

Isn't that happening today? It has been reported numerous times on the
local radio that some North American university students can't read or
write, and yet somehow this isn't discovered until they are confronted
with an exam.

many folks endorsed the notion that effective communication skills are
necessary for success as a programmer. If we do not help people
recognize that "l33t" does not effectively communicate, nor is
professional, then they will be hampered by their own lack of skill
forever.

Myself, and a number of people I know who are in positions to hire
people, ignore resumes that are written in this style because bad English
always reflects poorly on the public. Proper English style (or at least
an attempt to get it right) is something that can be taught, but typically
those who go out of their way to reduce English to this cryptic style make
themselves look ignorant.

Do we not owe it to folks in this forum to help them advance?

I thought your response was both witty and relevant.

 

[Randolf Richardson]

My god! Is everyone on the edge or something?

I rest my case that "proper English doesn't offend most people."

What is wrong with answering questions with a gentle reminder to try to
avoid 1337 speak and text message abbreviations . . . rather than
replying with just an insult and no useful information?

Good point.

I feel like I'm in alt.games.*

Maybe you should have cross-posted your reply. ;-D

[IRC command: /me ducks, then runs for cover...]

 

[Luc The Perverse]

Do we not owe it to folks in this forum to help them advance?

It is neither your right nor your obligation to change people who happen
upon a forum you visit and ask a simple question in a manner that doesn't
appeal to you.

Oh wait . . . That is what I do with top posters and non quoters all the
time.

Ahem . . what I mean is that you should still answer their question . . and
be more "Gentle" in your approach.

 

[Luc The Perverse]

Myself, and a number of people I know who are in positions to hire
people, ignore resumes that are written in this style because bad English
always reflects poorly on the public. Proper English style (or at least
an attempt to get it right) is something that can be taught, but typically
those who go out of their way to reduce English to this cryptic style make
themselves look ignorant.

WTF? Resumés written in l33t?

That's insane.

The most unprofessional thing I ever did involved some mild sexual inuendo
about getting "the head" of a tree structure which I had named Betty. I
didn't remember doing it . . but I felt a little stupid during a code review
meeting once. Everyone chuckled - but I felt sincerely stupid about the
incident.

 

[Andrew Thompson]

. . and
be more "Gentle" in your approach.

I* save my 'gentle' for c.l.j.help, mostly.

Posters to c.l.j.p. can either be greatful
for any response, or 'get stuffed'.

* Not that I had made any posts on this
thread, but just throwing my 2c worth in.

Andrew T.

 

[Randolf Richardson]

WTF? Resumés written in l33t?

That's insane.

I suspect that many of these types eventually wind up in a political
career -- that seems to be a common destination for many insane people who
successfully dodge those really nice people who wear white coats and
always travel in pairs.

The most unprofessional thing I ever did involved some mild sexual
inuendo about getting "the head" of a tree structure which I had
named Betty. I didn't remember doing it . . but I felt a little
stupid during a code review meeting once. Everyone chuckled - but
I felt sincerely stupid about the incident.

Skipped College, eh? ;-D