How do I decrease spacing in between elements (there are no <br> codes to delete)?

Discussion in 'HTML' started by fitwell, Nov 18, 2003.

  1. fitwell

    fitwell Guest

    Thanks, appreciate any help. I can't figure out how to make this more
    compact in terms of losing extra space. The rest is perfectly fine so
    it's just the spacing.

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    fitwell, Nov 18, 2003
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  2. fitwell wrote:

    > Thanks, appreciate any help. I can't figure out how to make this more
    > compact in terms of losing extra space. The rest is perfectly fine so
    > it's just the spacing.
    >

    [snip code]

    I think you need to sit down and have a rethink about redoing the whole
    page with more up to date coding. A lot of the html you are using is
    now deprecated and has been superseded. Quite a bit of the code you
    have there could actually be stripped out and used seperately in a css
    stylesheet.

    This one stylesheet can be used across the whole site to suggest such
    things as font colours, alignments, positioning (including spacing).
    Basically all the presentational bits of your page. You should then
    find the remaining pared down html page a lot easier to manage and
    update.

    Have a look at Dave Raggetts pages at the w3c for an introduction:
    http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Guide/

    You can read about the current specifications for html and css:
    http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/REC-html40-19980424/cover.html
    http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/ (although css3 is coming and probably
    some version of xhtml/xml but these are good for now).

    and you can also check how you're doing here:
    http://validator.w3.org/
    http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

    I really think you should give it a go.
    Good luck,

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    http://brightonfixedodds.net
     
    Robert Frost-Bridges, Nov 18, 2003
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  3. fitwell

    fitwell Guest

    On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:33:24 +0000, Robert Frost-Bridges
    <> wrote:

    >fitwell wrote:
    >
    >> Thanks, appreciate any help. I can't figure out how to make this more
    >> compact in terms of losing extra space. The rest is perfectly fine so
    >> it's just the spacing.
    >>

    >[snip code]
    >
    >I think you need to sit down and have a rethink about redoing the whole
    >page with more up to date coding. A lot of the html you are using is
    >now deprecated and has been superseded. Quite a bit of the code you
    >have there could actually be stripped out and used seperately in a css
    >stylesheet.
    >
    >This one stylesheet can be used across the whole site to suggest such
    >things as font colours, alignments, positioning (including spacing).
    >Basically all the presentational bits of your page. You should then
    >find the remaining pared down html page a lot easier to manage and
    >update.
    >
    >Have a look at Dave Raggetts pages at the w3c for an introduction:
    >http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Guide/
    >
    >You can read about the current specifications for html and css:
    >http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/REC-html40-19980424/cover.html
    >http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/ (although css3 is coming and probably
    >some version of xhtml/xml but these are good for now).
    >
    >and you can also check how you're doing here:
    >http://validator.w3.org/
    >http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
    >
    >I really think you should give it a go.
    >Good luck,


    Thanks re the good luck. This is the coding I know and it's not for
    webpages, just for hdd help pages I do up. I'd rather not have to get
    more complicated esp. going the CSS route. It's not necessary for
    this application and I don't want to take valuable time away from my
    other projects to learn CSS at this time. Is there no way to fix the
    spacing problem while still using this archaic coding? i.e., no way
    like in WP to get the page to typeset up a line or two?

    Thanks.
     
    fitwell, Nov 19, 2003
    #3
  4. fitwell

    rf Guest

    "fitwell" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:33:24 +0000, Robert Frost-Bridges
    > <> wrote:
    >


    > >I really think you should give it a go.
    > >Good luck,

    >
    > Thanks re the good luck. This is the coding I know and it's not for
    > webpages, just for hdd help pages I do up.


    You should have said that up front. It is assumed here that you are talking
    about a web page.

    > I'd rather not have to get
    > more complicated esp. going the CSS route.


    Why? 10 hours invested right now learning about CSS (and that is all it
    should take) will save you hundreds of hours over the next year.

    > It's not necessary for
    > this application and I don't want to take valuable time away from my
    > other projects to learn CSS at this time.


    See above.

    > Is there no way to fix the
    > spacing problem while still using this archaic coding? i.e., no way
    > like in WP to get the page to typeset up a line or two?


    No, there is not.

    If you want to change these sort of presentational things then the tool to
    use is CSS. That is what it is for.

    Cheers
    Richard.
     
    rf, Nov 19, 2003
    #4
  5. fitwell

    fitwell Guest

    On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:31:49 GMT, "rf" <> wrote:

    >
    >"fitwell" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:33:24 +0000, Robert Frost-Bridges
    >> <> wrote:
    >>

    >
    >> >I really think you should give it a go.
    >> >Good luck,

    >>
    >> Thanks re the good luck. This is the coding I know and it's not for
    >> webpages, just for hdd help pages I do up.

    >
    >You should have said that up front. It is assumed here that you are talking
    >about a web page.
    >
    >> I'd rather not have to get
    >> more complicated esp. going the CSS route.

    >
    >Why? 10 hours invested right now learning about CSS (and that is all it
    >should take) will save you hundreds of hours over the next year.
    >
    >> It's not necessary for
    >> this application and I don't want to take valuable time away from my
    >> other projects to learn CSS at this time.

    >
    >See above.
    >
    >> Is there no way to fix the
    >> spacing problem while still using this archaic coding? i.e., no way
    >> like in WP to get the page to typeset up a line or two?

    >
    >No, there is not.
    >
    >If you want to change these sort of presentational things then the tool to
    >use is CSS. That is what it is for.
    >
    >Cheers
    >Richard.


    Richard, thanks for your opinion and we'll just leave it at that,
    okay? I'm not going to belabour the point.

    If _anyone_ can give constructive help on fixing the spacing problem
    with the file itself, I would really _greatly_ appreciate it. If not,
    pls advise what other group I can go to for the info. I have done
    research here and there on my own but so much other more important
    stuff to do that since I can't find, won't waste any more time. Would
    be nice to do, that's all.

    Thanks once again. Cheers.
     
    fitwell, Nov 19, 2003
    #5
  6. fitwell

    rf Guest

    "fitwell" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:31:49 GMT, "rf" <> wrote:
    >
    > >> Is there no way to fix the
    > >> spacing problem while still using this archaic coding? i.e., no way
    > >> like in WP to get the page to typeset up a line or two?

    > >
    > >No, there is not.
    > >
    > >If you want to change these sort of presentational things then the tool

    to
    > >use is CSS. That is what it is for.
    > >
    > >Cheers
    > >Richard.

    >
    > Richard, thanks for your opinion and we'll just leave it at that,
    > okay? I'm not going to belabour the point.
    >
    > If _anyone_ can give constructive help on fixing the spacing problem
    > with the file itself, I would really _greatly_ appreciate it. If not,
    > pls advise what other group I can go to for the info. I have done
    > research here and there on my own but so much other more important
    > stuff to do that since I can't find, won't waste any more time. Would
    > be nice to do, that's all.


    <grin>Crikey. Another wall to bang my head against...</grin>

    Which bit of "No, there is not" did you fail to understand.

    There is no way at all to affect the spacing between <p> element using HTML.
    You MUST use CSS.

    And that is not my "opinion", that is just how things are.

    OK, here is the required CSS (within its standard HTML element) to eliminate
    the spacing between paragraphs. Stick in your <head> element.

    <script type="text/css">
    p {margin: 0;}
    </script>

    Not hard, is it :)

    If you want to eliminate the spacing between all elements then
    * {margin: 0;}

    Cheers
    Richard.
     
    rf, Nov 19, 2003
    #6
  7. rf wrote:


    >
    > OK, here is the required CSS (within its standard HTML element) to
    > eliminate the spacing between paragraphs. Stick in your <head>
    > element.
    >
    > <script type="text/css">
    > p {margin: 0;}
    > </script>


    oops,

    <style type="text/css">
    p {margin: 0;}
    </style>

    :)
    --
    frostie
    http://brightonfixedodds.net
     
    Robert Frost-Bridges, Nov 19, 2003
    #7
  8. fitwell

    Sid Ismail Guest

    On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:28:19 GMT, "rf" <> wrote:

    : There is no way at all to affect the spacing between <p> element using HTML.
    : You MUST use CSS.
    :
    : And that is not my "opinion", that is just how things are.


    You're quite right. :) If the OP cannot spare 10 hours to learn CSS,
    perhaps he is a bright beginner? He'll do it in 8 perhaps....
    http://www.westciv.com/style_master/academy/hands_on_tutorial/

    Sid
     
    Sid Ismail, Nov 19, 2003
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