How do I use HTML?

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kttelibake

I know I sound dumb...

I am a unserious site designer for a TINY organization run by kids...
Everyone loves my site! But I am really bad at HTML... and I think I
should be better at it. I have had to use it a few times, but with
many struggles. I joined this group so I could learn a little more
about how to use it. Any advice?

Thanks!

Ellie
P.S.
Sometimes I go by Kati, Ellie is a nickname for my middle name.
 
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Andy Dingley

I am a unserious site designer for a TINY organization run by kids...
Everyone loves my site! But I am really bad at HTML...

There are lots of tutorials around, but most are really poor quality
and will mislead you. W3Schools is one of these.

I'd recommend a couple of books:
* Head First HTML with CSS & XHTML (start here for page coding)
* Head First Web Design (Broader issues about "design")
* Cascading Style Sheets, Lie & Bos (CSS intro & reference)

One web site:
* http://htmldog.com
 
K

kttelibake

Wait till you hear what I've got to say...


Is your middle name "Elephant"?

Anyway, the best way to learn html is by making pages, checking them
against the validator, correcting mistakes, then trying new things to
improve the overall product.  In the course of this, read and reference
the specs frequently to learn all the options and proper methods of
html.  In other words, "Practice makes perfect".

--
Neredbojias
Driving can be tiring - especially after supper,
So 'fore you take an evening trip - you ought to pop an upper.
Burma Shave

My middle name is not Elephant.

OK!
 
K

kttelibake

There are lots of tutorials around, but most are really poor quality
and will mislead you. W3Schools is one of these.

I'd recommend a couple of books:
* Head First HTML with CSS & XHTML   (start here for page coding)
* Head First Web Design              (Broader issues about "design")
* Cascading Style Sheets, Lie & Bos  (CSS intro & reference)

One web site:
*http://htmldog.com

Alright! So I guess we can end this here if no one has anything else
to say!
 
J

Jonathan N. Little

kttelibake said:
Alright! So I guess we can end this here if no one has anything else
to say!

What more do you wish people to say? They have pointed you where to
start, next step is on you. Read some and learn.

Most of HTML is very easy and you will commonly use less than a dozen
elements and a handful of rules that govern those elements. Styling and
scripting gets more complicated and more advanced.

I agree the tutorials at http://htmldog.com are both easy to follow and
most accurate to be found on the web. If you are not compelled to read a
little and practice than maybe web design is not for you.
 
D

dorayme

richard said:
HTML is nothing more than a set of instructions telling the recipient
(browser) what to do with those instructions.

Not quite but never mind...

Woody Allen:

I took a speed reading course and read 'War and Peace' in twenty
minutes. It involves Russia.
 
A

Adrienne Boswell

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed dorayme
Adrienne, "dumb" was not meant by OP literally. She is not that dumb! It
was meant as a humble entry and to get folks to hold their fire for long
enough for her to grab some tips and get out. This technique can work
sometimes. Other ways into a new group include to go in hard and
arrogant, pick out the biggest and ugliest alpha male and then tear his
throat out. All these techniques are laid out in my new pamphlet, "How
to say hello on Usenet" which is on sale for $1.50. There is a special
offer for one week only for alt.html subscribers, 35% discount.

Oh, I know that "dumb" was not meant literally, dumb has come to mean
stupid. The problem with saying things like this about yourself often
enough is pretty soon you believe it.

I was hoping that the OP would GET that if one could not SOUND dumb, one
could not BE dumb. Guess not.
 
K

kttelibake

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed dorayme
<[email protected]> writing in (e-mail address removed):




Oh, I know that "dumb" was not meant literally, dumb has come to mean
stupid.  The problem with saying things like this about yourself often
enough is pretty soon you believe it.

I was hoping that the OP would GET that if one could not SOUND dumb, one
could not BE dumb.  Guess not.

Does all this dumb stuff really matter?
 
A

Adrienne Boswell

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed kttelibake
Does all this dumb stuff really matter?

Not at all.

"What others say of me matters little; what I myself say and do matters
much." - Elbert Hubbard quotes
 
D

dorayme

kttelibake said:
Does all this dumb stuff really matter?

Well, you brought it up in the beginning... <g>

Perhaps you might put up your site or some equally similar page here and
see what tips folk might give you to get you rolling in some direction,
increasing your appetite to read and study what Andy Dingley has
recommended.
 
J

Joy Beeson

designer for a TINY organization run by kids

Everything you *really* need to know for such a small job can be
printed on one sheet of letter paper in twelve-point type. Whenever
things get complicated and confusing, you are doing it wrong.

Unless the kids are into graphic design and you need to twist
hypertext into a graphic-design tool -- but I'd just make each design
a single image, with no HTML except for links, so that you don't have
to allow for readers vetoing your choice of fonts, changing the
background color, and so on. (But *man*, you'd need to spend *hours*
writing alternate text for blind readers!)

Or things can get complicated and confusing when you are stretching
yourself to learn a new trick -- but don't do that in public.
 
J

Joy Beeson

but don't do that in public.

Sites overstuffed with tricks the would-be designer has just learned
and will never master are far from new.

Back when self-publishing was done on paper, the editor who had just
switched from ditto or mimeo to photocopy or offset exclaimed "I don't
have to trace line art with a stylus any more! And I have hundreds of
mis-matched borders and a whole book of irrelevant clip art! I'll
never print white space again!"

Later on, the editor who switched from creating copy with a typewriter
or daisy wheel to a laser printer or inkjet got drunk on font choice:
No two headers the same size, no two paragraphs in the same typeface,
important stuff in letters too big to see as words.

I wonder what excesses happened when the hectograph was invented? I
don't quite go back far enough to know. I don't even know whether it
was before or after the typewriter. It *might* be before carbon
paper.

A newsletter that I used to print with twelve sheets of extra-thin
carbon paper now goes out to an unlimited number of people by e-mail.
We have just finished one incredible century.

Joy Beeson
--
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://roughsewing.home.comcast.net/ -- sewing
http://n3f.home.comcast.net/ -- Writers' Exchange
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.
 
A

asdf

Joy Beeson said:
Sites overstuffed with tricks the would-be designer has just learned
and will never master are far from new.

Back when self-publishing was done on paper, the editor who had just
switched from ditto or mimeo to photocopy or offset exclaimed "I don't
have to trace line art with a stylus any more! And I have hundreds of
mis-matched borders and a whole book of irrelevant clip art! I'll
never print white space again!"

Later on, the editor who switched from creating copy with a typewriter
or daisy wheel to a laser printer or inkjet got drunk on font choice:
No two headers the same size, no two paragraphs in the same typeface,
important stuff in letters too big to see as words.

I wonder what excesses happened when the hectograph was invented? I
don't quite go back far enough to know. I don't even know whether it
was before or after the typewriter. It *might* be before carbon
paper.

A newsletter that I used to print with twelve sheets of extra-thin
carbon paper now goes out to an unlimited number of people by e-mail.
We have just finished one incredible century.

Joy Beeson
--
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://roughsewing.home.comcast.net/ -- sewing
http://n3f.home.comcast.net/ -- Writers' Exchange
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.

Ummm... HTML (and other content) delivered through web browsers does NOT
equate to print, no matter how you cut and paste it. :D

Having said that, the web, together with other self-publishing tools like
HTML, SGML, Word etc... have done much to de-mystify the world of the
typesetter and publisher. It's no longer a closed shop, thankfully. The
typesetter/publisher no longer controls content, and nor should (s)he. (Bear
in mind here, that look and feel IS content, however misguided that notion
may be - there IS a message in presentation).

....and finally (if done correctly on the web) typesetting (i.e.
presentation) is now wholely seperated from meaning (the actual text). This
is a "Good Thing". Textual content should stand on it's own, unadorned,
feet, I say, without decoration or embellishment, other than that in the
written word.

(spot the lack of editorial punctuation in the previous paragraph)

I sincerely hope you are not bemoaning the old typeset days. The web in
particular, and the internet in general, have empowered the millions
(perhaps billions) that were enslaved - or at least entrapped - by the
printing press IMHO, just as those pre-Gutenburg thinkers were entrapped by
a lack of media and popular consumption.

Just be aware that in 'empowerment of the masses', comes 'masses of
bulls**t'. There's nothing new in that. Compare Darwin's 'Origin of Species'
with 'Playboy'. The 'net alone is not responsible for the prolifieration of
crap. The crap comes from peoples' minds, not from the media on which it is
presented.

The trick now is to seperate the bulls**t from the useful online. Good luck
with that one.

Welcome to the (late) 20th century / (early) 21st century. Shite content has
become the norm. Filter it, then get used to it, just as we have had to with
print-based media.

(Random thoughts)
 
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Andy Dingley

Ummm... HTML (and other content) delivered through web browsers does NOT
equate to print, no matter how you cut and paste it. :D

Of course it does, if you look at the "usage" question rather than the
"media". Facebook and Wordpress are the punk 'zines of 30 years ago.

Having said that, the web, together with other self-publishing tools like
HTML, SGML, Word etc... have done much to de-mystify the world of the
typesetter and publisher. It's no longer a closed shop, thankfully. The
typesetter/publisher no longer controls content, and nor should (s)he.

I don't think they have for 20 years. I had even more typographic
control (albeit monochrome) of my content then than I do with the web
today. The main differences today are that:

* I used to publish to a hundred or so, people whom I already knew
and had addresses for. Now I'm in broadcast media rather than
mailshots. I can leave my content up for people to find, I can send it
to people "on spec" with a very lightweight knowledge of who they are,
and I can stay in contact with transient people far mor easily, even
when they shift addresses.

* I _need_ high quality colour images if anyone's to read it - it's
difficult to get the facebook generation to read text-only.

* Cheap scalability means I can hit tens of thousands for the old
price of a hundred.

It does sadden me in some ways. Even the Bulletin of the Atomic
Scientists has just stopped their old paper bulletin and gone totally
on-line after 60 years of the Doomsday Clock.
 
D

dorayme

Joy Beeson said:
I have never once felt the slightest desire to send an HTML email.

Yes, I had not meant to imply otherwise of course, just that once you
put the newsletter on the server and distribute it by simply letting
folks know it is there, you *have the option* to make it jazz it up with
CSS and pics and stuff. Not that plain text has not got its attractions,
mind you.

(I used to receive newsletters from font foundries/ font distributors
and they were so attractive I was reluctant to unsubscribe even though
half the time I never read them.)
 

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