html /css horizontal drop-down menu question

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the idiot

is it possible to build a horizontal drop-down menu using html (xhtml) css
without having any javascript for bug fixing etc? - all the tutorials i have
found on www require a bit of js.

thank you very mucho
kev
 
D

David Dorward

the said:
is it possible to build a horizontal drop-down menu using html (xhtml) css
without having any javascript for bug fixing etc? - all the tutorials i
have found on www require a bit of js.
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Yes ... providing you don't mind if it doesn't work in IE or that it depends
on exact tracking (i.e. the user can't slide the mouse off the menu as them
move to a specific item on it - good user interfaces allow a few seconds of
fuzzy time to handle such things as slipping, motor skill issues (e.g. as
caused by arthritis), or slightly clogged up mice.)
 
D

David Dorward

the said:
is it possible to build a horizontal drop-down menu using html (xhtml) css
without having any javascript for bug fixing etc? - all the tutorials i
have found on www require a bit of js.
Click to expand...

Yes ... providing you don't mind if it doesn't work in IE or that it depends
on exact tracking (i.e. the user can't slide the mouse off the menu and then
move to a specific item on it - good user interfaces allow a few seconds of
fuzzy time to handle such things as slipping, motor skill issues (e.g. as
caused by arthritis), or slightly clogged up mice.)
 
T

the idiot

David Dorward said:
Yes ... providing you don't mind if it doesn't work in IE or that it depends
on exact tracking (i.e. the user can't slide the mouse off the menu and then
move to a specific item on it - good user interfaces allow a few seconds of
fuzzy time to handle such things as slipping, motor skill issues (e.g. as
caused by arthritis), or slightly clogged up mice.)
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arghhh just as i assumed... i was going to build a nice css menu to replace
the dhtml one i have so that the 10% of folk who browse with js turned off
could see it but to do it it would mean stopping the 90% who use ie from
seeing it.......... oh dear oh dear oh dear.
cheers anyway.
 
C

Carolyn Marenger

arghhh just as i assumed... i was going to build a nice css menu to replace
the dhtml one i have so that the 10% of folk who browse with js turned off
could see it but to do it it would mean stopping the 90% who use ie from
seeing it.......... oh dear oh dear oh dear.
cheers anyway.
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Well, some of us linux using and js disabling users, would appreciate a
site that works for us and not for MS Users. Yeah, I really think I would. :)

CArolyn
 
R

Richard

is it possible to build a horizontal drop-down menu using html (xhtml) css
without having any javascript for bug fixing etc? - all the tutorials i
have found on www require a bit of js.

thank you very mucho
kev
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www.suckerfish.org

Check out their menus.
Works fairly well in IE6 even without JS.
They only use a very small script to trick IE into using the css.
 
T

the idiot

Carolyn Marenger said:
Well, some of us linux using and js disabling users, would appreciate a
site that works for us and not for MS Users. Yeah, I really think I would. :)
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thats why i am stuck with what to bloomin well do. i want everyone to be
happy.
 
T

the idiot

Richard said:
www.suckerfish.org

Check out their menus.
Works fairly well in IE6 even without JS.
They only use a very small script to trick IE into using the css.
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i think i was looking at something similar earlier but because it uses a
little bit of js to fix ie doesnt that mean that all those without js turned
on wouldnt be able to see anything? or am i confused again...
 
S

Steve Pugh

the idiot said:
i think i was looking at something similar earlier but because it uses a
little bit of js to fix ie doesnt that mean that all those without js turned
on wouldnt be able to see anything? or am i confused again...
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The suckerfissh menus use JS (for IE only as other browsers support
the CSS only method) to manipulate a menu that is present in the HTML.
It does not use JS to write the menu into the page. So users without
JS will have the full menu fully visible in the page at all times. If
your menu is big that can be a nuisance.

Why do you want a full menu on every page in the first place?

Steve
 
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Adrienne

yeah thats one of the ones ive seen but doesnt it use a bit of js to
fix a ie bug - in which case it wouldnt be seeable by those with js
turned off?
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For example:
<ul>
<li><a href="main.html">Main Group</a>
<ul>
<li><a href="secondary.html">2nd Group</a></li>
<li><a href="page2.html">Page 2 Group 2</a></li>
<li><a href="page3.html">Page 3 Group 2</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
Just make sure that you have navigation to page2.html and page3.html ON
page secondary.html and you should be fine.

The only problem I have had with this menu is On Mouse Up sometimes loses
the menu, but not consistently.

I have the menu in use at http://win04.startlogic.com/infinica/ (I am aware
of the font size issue and have been told to keep it that way, despite all
my warnings). The management link has the drop down.
 
T

the idiot

Adrienne said:
For example:
<ul>
<li><a href="main.html">Main Group</a>
<ul>
<li><a href="secondary.html">2nd Group</a></li>
<li><a href="page2.html">Page 2 Group 2</a></li>
<li><a href="page3.html">Page 3 Group 2</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
Just make sure that you have navigation to page2.html and page3.html ON
page secondary.html and you should be fine.

The only problem I have had with this menu is On Mouse Up sometimes loses
the menu, but not consistently.

I have the menu in use at http://win04.startlogic.com/infinica/ (I am aware
of the font size issue and have been told to keep it that way, despite all
my warnings). The management link has the drop down.
--
Click to expand...

ooh thank you
 
T

the idiot

Steve Pugh said:
The suckerfissh menus use JS (for IE only as other browsers support
the CSS only method) to manipulate a menu that is present in the HTML.
It does not use JS to write the menu into the page. So users without
JS will have the full menu fully visible in the page at all times. If
your menu is big that can be a nuisance.

Why do you want a full menu on every page in the first place?
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its a long story (actually it isnt) but id built a site that used iframes
and i replaced them with scrolling divs.. anyway i want the viewer to be
able to just click away to any page and still have the menu available at all
times... is that bad?
anyway here it is not great but the owner likes it.
http://www.seanmcallister.com/html/index.html
anyway my original question came because id built a dhtml menu not knowing
it wouldnt show up for those without js - so then i had to put some normal
links in as well - but id rather just have a nice horizontal html/css drop
down menu to replace both of them...
 
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Edwin van der Vaart

the said:
yeah thats one of the ones ive seen but doesnt it use a bit of js to fix a
ie bug - in which case it wouldnt be seeable by those with js turned off?
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That's the one with the js fix for IE. When you change the extension .js
into .jsp, then it properbly would work correctly. If your provider does
support sever-side scripting.
Then again. How many people surf the internet with IE, that has disabled
"js".
 
T

the idiot

Edwin van der Vaart said:
off?
That's the one with the js fix for IE. When you change the extension .js
into .jsp, then it properbly would work correctly. If your provider does
support sever-side scripting.
Then again. How many people surf the internet with IE, that has disabled
"js".
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i have absolutely no idea - though i was told on here that 10% of surfers
dont have/use js... so i was just trying to please eveybody hehe.. and
pardon my ignorance but what is jsp? ive no idea what my provider does
support - im not even sure what server-side scripting means... as you may
note im not called the idiot for nothing sir. i jsut like to do the odd
website for folk whilst trying to learn from every mistake.
 
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David Dorward

Edwin said:
That's the one with the js fix for IE. When you change the extension .js
into .jsp, then it properbly would work correctly. If your provider does
support sever-side scripting.
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How could trying to process a JavaScript script with a Java Server Pages
engine work? Java and JavaScript are entirely different languages, and
server side scripts can't react to client events[1] either!

[1] A client side script could react to such an event and in turn make an
HTTP request to trigger a server side script - but that wouldn't happen
with that code.
 
S

Steve Pugh

Edwin van der Vaart said:
That's the one with the js fix for IE. When you change the extension .js
into .jsp, then it properbly would work correctly. If your provider does
support sever-side scripting.
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..js files are JavsScript files that are parsed by the browser.
..jsp files are Java Server Page files that are parsed by the server.

JavaScript and Java are totally different things.

..js and .jsp files have nothing to do with each other.

Your suggestion is totally wrong.

Steve
 
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David Dorward

the said:
pardon my ignorance but what is jsp?
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Java Server Pages; a technique for server side scripting with Java (and
nothing whatsoever to do with the JavaScript other then "Oh! Sun is making
a big fuss about Java. I wonder if they'll let us call LiveScript
JavaScript and cash in on the publicity?").
im not even sure what server-side scripting means...
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To run a piece of software in response to an HTTP request (instead of simply
reading a static file and returning it to the user). The output of the
software (typically an HTML document, but any type of data is possible) is
returned to the client.
 

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