HTML guide for newbies.

[Roy Schestowitz]

I haven't seen that site before. It's not as bad as some of the others
around, but I still wouldn't even consider recommending it. It's very
outdated - no mention of CSS at all, and it's based on HTML4.0, which
was superseded by HTML4.01 5 years ago. In fact, the site itself hasn't
been updated in nearly 6 years. On the Internet that's a lifetime (or
several). Not a resource to be used now.

I have only been using it as a quick reference to, let us say, find the
attribute for cellpadding in a table. It does the trick.

Roy

 

[Starshine Moonbeam]

Starshine Moonbeam

http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/intro/sgmltut.html#h-3.2

What would <br/> or <img> be? Would it be a tag or a one sided element?

 

[Starshine Moonbeam]

What would <br/> or <img> be? Would it be a tag or a one sided element?

Never mind, it's an empty element.

 

[Roy Schestowitz]

Starshine Moonbeam dropped the 3 letter word:

Yes.

....and now we're down to semantics. <h1> is a tag from a programmatic
point-of-view and <h1>blog</h1> is an HTML element. No?

Roy

 

[Dan Ruscoe]

So <h1> is not a tag?

If I understand correctly, <h1> when used on a page is a tag, but h1
itself is known as an element.

But then I might not understand correctly.

 

[rf]

rf wrote:

So the element is delimited by a tag or pair of tags, no?

No. The element *contains* a start tag and an end tag.

Yes, the tag(s) plus the content (if not empty) comprise the element.

Yes. Although sometimes one or more of these things are optional.

Of course, I agree with you rf, but using the term 'tag" isn't cause
enough to trash a site.

It is not as per the recommendation. It is not concise and is totally open
to the readers misinterpretation.

Couple that with the questions you see here from the newbies. They think
elements are tags, attributes are tags, style rules are tags, properties are
tags and that tags are commands.

Tell them their tag is missing a ; and it means nothing. Tell them their
property-value pair is missing a ; and it makes sense.

Here is what W3C have to say:
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/intro/sgmltut.html#h-3.2

Scroll down a bit to the green bit where they say:
Elements are not tags. ...

So, the recommendation states it rather forcefully (for the recommendation).
Why should we not use what the recommendation says?

Well, it depends on how "tags" are taught.

They (and HTML for that matter) are usually taught wrongly.

 

[rf]

Never mind, it's an empty element.

Good work. I was just about to suggest you search the entry in the
recommendations

 

[Starshine Moonbeam]

Good work. I was just about to suggest you search the entry in the
recommendations

thx.

 

[Starshine Moonbeam]

Starshine Moonbeam dropped the 3 letter word:


...and now we're down to semantics. <h1> is a tag from a programmatic
point-of-view and <h1>blog</h1> is an HTML element. No?

Yeah, I was wrong before elements have opening and closing tags.

Now I know. Yo Joe!

 

[Mark Parnell]

I have only been using it as a quick reference to, let us say, find the
attribute for cellpadding in a table. It does the trick.

cellpadding perhaps?

Try these instead:
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/attributes.html
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/elements.html

 

[Roy Schestowitz]

cellpadding perhaps?

*LOL* Sarcasm aside, I talked about finding an attribute when you don't know
its name, but only the element it relates to.

Try these instead:
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/attributes.html
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/elements.html

These are great. Thanks!

 

[Spartanicus]

<h1>Teddy Grahm Memories</h1>

is an element

h1 is an element, the above is content marked up as a level 1 header.

 

[Robert Frost-Bridges]

Can anyone suggest a good website (or book) for someone new to the
webmaster game?

http://www.allmyfaqs.com/

 

[Starshine Moonbeam]

thx.

Yeah, I should have just looked at the page in front of me.

I blame fast food and convienence stores. And rock music, of course.

 

[Leonard Blaisdell]

Roy Schestowitz opined.


Oh my.

Oh my, indeed. Barebones software <http://www.barebones.com/> makes an
outstanding text editor for the Mac. The site says it was done on a Mac. I
see that the site was created with "Adobe GoLive 4". Perhaps the URL
should have been http://werbach.com/golive/.

leo