HTML-Windows question

[Whitecrest]

So, a links page with 20 links will potentially open 20 new windows?
Ish. Just try to find any one particular window in that mess. Somebody
running with maximized windows might not even realize what's going on if
the extra windows open in the background and they don't notice the
taskbar filling up.

Or, another scenario is that it really makes no difference except to
people that are anal about their browsing.....

BTW, I've been to plenty of sites that do this and cursed most of them.

I have had the exact opposite experience.

Well, once those 20 extra windows are closed I'd make a point not to
revisit. So what have you gained?

If the customer is that stupid, then they won't be able to figure out
how to buy anything on the web anyway.....

The users may be dumb, but they are not retards.

 

[kchayka]

The TARGET="_BLANK" works very well from frames.
However, in an ordinary page, it just does the same as TARGET="_FRONT".
I even tried TARGET="_NEW".

That's because the leading underscore is reserved for special names.
<URL:http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/types.html#type-frame-target>

 

[Spartanicus]

Not what I asked. I asked for code for opening different windows,
not a lecture on the evils of new windows and popups.

Tough, this is not a helpdesk, it's usenet.

If someone wants to do something stupid then we will point that out.

 

[Toby A Inkster]

I have had the exact opposite experience.

So, do you like the effect here? (Or could the colour scheme do with a
change?)

http://www.goddamn.co.uk/tobyink/scratch/example2.html

 

[Whitecrest]

Tough, this is not a helpdesk, it's usenet.
If someone wants to do something stupid then we will point that out.

Or you will just be an asshole. But then this is usenet isn't it....

 

[Leif K-Brooks]

He asked me, and that is what I expect to see.

You aren't every user. If you let links open where the user wants,
everyone can be happy.

Well no one can expect to please everyone, I hope you have fun at the
other web sites....

I certainly do.

 

[Leif K-Brooks]

No the point is that I WANT to open a new window. And it is perfectly
ok to do so.

That's exactly what he said! If YOU want it to open in a new window, go
right ahead! Why force your likes and dislikes on your user?!

 

[Whitecrest]

You aren't every user. If you let links open where the user wants,
everyone can be happy.
I certainly do.

You do realize that, that entire mini thread sounded just like;

"Your a meany.."
"am not"
"are too"
"I know you are but what am I.."
"I'm a mirror, your glue...."

I love this forum.

 

[Steve R.]

Leif K-Brooks wrote in message ...

If you let links open where the user wants, everyone can be happy.

The point I'm trying to make is that *most* users don't know how to do the 'right-click' - 'open in
new window' process. I work with people who use PCs, but mostly don't know how to *use* them fully.
They appreciate the education of how to open in a new window, then promptly forget it, as they
aren't *regular* users.

The webmaster doing it for them makes their lives easier.

The search engine http://kartoo.com/ open its links in new windows which my colleagues like, but
google doesn't. You either have to keep back-tracking or do the 'oinw' yourself.

Steve :~)

 

[Steve Pugh]

No, I used both. The TARGET="_BLANK" works very well from frames.
However, in an ordinary page, it just does the same as TARGET="_FRONT".

Let's see....

I even tried TARGET="_NEW".

Also an error. Though most browsers error correct that to be _blank
rather than NEW.

This used for a page with just a few different links/divisions.
http://www.martialhub.com/

There's only one _blank in that page. Lots of _front.
No _BLANK or _FRONT at all, so why did you mention them?

If I change all the _front to _blank then it works as it should.

But _BLANK reuses the same window (at least it does in IE6, the error
correction in other browsers may differ).

So it is case sesnsitive.

_BLANK - http://steve.pugh.net/test/target1.html
_blank - http://steve.pugh.net/test/target2.html

Steve

 

[Barefoot Kid]

| In article
| <1hk1svstfjvklp7antk5art9fl8eo8mmth@news.spartanicus.utvinternet.ie>,
| (e-mail address removed) says...
| > >> >How do you open a new window every time?
| > >> http://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_16_not_opening_new_windows.html
| > >Not what I asked. I asked for code for opening different windows,
| > >not a lecture on the evils of new windows and popups.
| > Tough, this is not a helpdesk, it's usenet.
| > If someone wants to do something stupid then we will point that out.
|
| Or you will just be an asshole. But then this is usenet isn't it....

hehehe

 

[Whitecrest]

That's exactly what he said! If YOU want it to open in a new window, go
right ahead! Why force your likes and dislikes on your user?!

Because I am making a presentation with my web site, and I can choose
how I want to display it. If you don't like it, you have the ability to
go elsewhere.

 

[Nick Howes]

Spartanicus wrote in message ...

I still think it's much simpler on a "Links" page to have all the links open in a new window.

That way you can be sure that your visitor doesn't lose sight of your own

original website

A blind or vision-impaired user will probably lose sight of the original
website when suddenly they can't just use their back command, and they can't
just look at a taskbar to see that a new window is opened? Some audio
readers announce a new window but not all and it's easy to miss it.

 

[Michael Wilcox]

Spartanicus wrote in message

New users don't know any difference, but pointing out that 'opening
in a new window' still leaves the whole page of Search engine data in
the background, is universally welcome by users as they don't have to
keep hitting the 'back' button lots of times.

Quote: http://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_16_not_opening_new_windows.html
Lillian benefits. Her Internet Explorer window is always maximized (so she
can see it), and new windows also open maximized by default. Furthermore,
Windows XP groups multiple windows of the same application in the taskbar,
so there is virtually no visible indication that a new window has even been
opened. Suddenly, the "Back" button is disabled for no apparent reason, and
Lillian has no idea why. If you were expecting her to read the rest of your
web site after following that link, you can forget it.

One click on the 'close' button does the trick of getting back to the
original page.

I've guided my mother through closing windows many times and I know she
still doesn't get the concept of layered windows. Considering the widest
spectrum of people will allow you to make a site easily navigable.

Yep exactly, so the 'opening in a new window' is for the *benefit* of
others, especially the newbies or infrequent users. *We* are all
relative experts here so *we* know what to do, *they* don't so easily
get lost if the new information replaces the original website they
were browsing :~)

Well that's so nice of you to be the guide of the web. Now, lets stop
considering the web-incompetent for just a moment and think about the many,
many users who can understand new windows in a web browser (my generation is
especially proficient). They know how to use a back button to move to the
previous page and they know how to open their own new windows. Why have you
chosen to take the choice away from them?

What happens when a user finds what they're looking for on the first try
within your hypothetical search engine. They've fond the perfect result, so
why should the engine results remain?

 

[Steve R.]

Michael Wilcox wrote in message ...

Lillian benefits.

That's hypothetical :~) It's never like that in practice.

They know how to use a back button

Often the back button is extremely slow with many websites as they reload pages, as I said
previously, especially if you hit it many times to get back to base.

What happens when a user finds what they're looking for on the first try
within your hypothetical search engine.

Get real - who actually find what they want on the first search item? People *always* look at
several items and make comparisons between them. That's the whole point of searches. Do you always
accept the first quote you get ? I though not :~)

 

[Michael Wilcox]

The search engine http://kartoo.com/ open its links in new windows
which my colleagues like, but google doesn't. You either have to keep
back-tracking or do the 'oinw' yourself.

Google has that option as well. It's a user's choice (and therefore
preference) to open pages in a new window and Google gives them that
*option* (although they don't really need to, as it should be left to the
browser). Either way, I'm surprised your colleagues would give up arguably
the best engine in the world just so that they don't have to make extra
clicks.

 

[Steve R.]

Michael Wilcox wrote in message ...

I'm surprised your colleagues would give up arguably
the best engine in the world.

They don't give up Google. I was merely pointing out that http://kartoo.com/ open its links in a new
window, which they think, (and I think), is a great idea, especially for a search engine.

 

[Michael Wilcox]

That's hypothetical :~) It's never like that in practice.

Quote: http://diveintoaccessibility.org/introduction.html
Although fictitious, [the characters, like Lilian] all represent real people
with disabilities, and they use the Internet in ways that real people with
disabilities use the Internet.

Often the back button is extremely slow with many websites as they
reload pages, as I said previously, especially if you hit it many
times to get back to base.

Which browsers do this? IE, Netscape, Mozilla, and Opera don't. Caching is
intregal in most browsers.

Get real - who actually find what they want on the first search item?

I do all the time. Searching for "American Heart Association" on Google, for
example, leads me right to the correct site in the first response. Same with
"harry potter trailer" and "finding nemo", two of the most popular searches
on Google right now.

 

[Joel Shepherd]

Spartanicus wrote in message


Not trying to *force* - people do forget - Don't you ever recall
your early days on a PC?

Yes! (Of course, this was some years after my early days on a TRS-80,
but I digress...) I was young and naive, and thought CTRL-C and CTRL-V
were "power user" kind of stuff.

As I learned, though, my tendency was to disable more and more the
things the OS wanted to do for me automatically: to take control back
from the OS and configure things my way. To get back on topic: as a
novice, maybe I liked links opening in new windows (honestly, I don't
remember), but now it's really annoying.

People *do* learn, and you can allow them the leeway to do so, or you
can assume everyone is a novice and annoy your more skilled visitors.
Your choice.

If you follow a link maybe you get six or more pages down the line
of the new link, then have to wait forever to *go *back* as each
page has to reload, as frequently happens.

In any graphical browser I've used in the last three years, there
is a way to drop down a list of links in the history stack, and in one
click go back to any link in the stack. No need to click back through
pages one by one. If you don't know this, then you need to be
especially careful in assumptions about what your visitors *do* know.

 

[Joel Shepherd]

The FAQ, is an OPINION written by people.

It's opinion backed by experience and peer review.

Not all opinions are created equal.