HTML5

Discussion in 'HTML' started by Ganesh, Aug 30, 2009.

  1. Ganesh

    Ganesh Guest

    http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/#introduction

    I've just started looking into HTML5 and am trying to see that from
    accessibility point of view. Is it the right time to switch over? Or,
    is it better to use the well developed conventional practice for now?

    Anybody already switched over?
     
    Ganesh, Aug 30, 2009
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  2. On Aug 30, 12:59 am, Ganesh <> wrote:
    > http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/#introduction
    >
    > I've just started looking into HTML5 and am trying to see that from
    > accessibility point of view. Is it the right time to switch over? Or,
    > is it better to use the well developed conventional practice for now?
    >
    > Anybody already switched over?


    By the time the browsers stop supporting HTML3 and 4, HTML7 will
    probably be on the standard. It would be wise to pay attention, but
    equally as wise to keep current with obsolete version as you will be
    running into them for the next 5 or 10 years.
     
    Travis Newbury, Aug 30, 2009
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  3. Ganesh wrote:
    > http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/#introduction
    >
    > I've just started looking into HTML5 and am trying to see that from
    > accessibility point of view. Is it the right time to switch over? Or,
    > is it better to use the well developed conventional practice for now?
    >
    > Anybody already switched over?


    What business are you in?

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    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
     
    Jonathan N. Little, Aug 30, 2009
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  4. Ganesh

    Roy A. Guest

    On 30 Aug, 06:59, Ganesh <> wrote:
    > http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/#introduction
    >
    > I've just started looking into HTML5 and am trying to see that from
    > accessibility point of view. Is it the right time to switch over? Or,
    > is it better to use the well developed conventional practice for now?


    No it is an working draft. Browsers are only implementing their parts
    for testing purposes, and those parts could change. Browser are
    probably not going to start implementing the rest of it before it
    becames an release candidate. Just wait until it becomes an
    recommandation. The same applies for css 3.

    > Anybody already switched over?


    No. Not even if it was intranet.
     
    Roy A., Aug 30, 2009
    #4
  5. Ganesh

    Gus Richter Guest

    Roy A. wrote:
    > On 30 Aug, 06:59, Ganesh <> wrote:
    >> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/#introduction
    >>
    >> I've just started looking into HTML5 and am trying to see that from
    >> accessibility point of view. Is it the right time to switch over? Or,
    >> is it better to use the well developed conventional practice for now?

    >
    > No it is an working draft. Browsers are only implementing their parts
    > for testing purposes, and those parts could change. Browser are
    > probably not going to start implementing the rest of it before it
    > becames an release candidate. Just wait until it becomes an
    > recommandation. The same applies for css 3.
    >
    >> Anybody already switched over?

    >
    > No. Not even if it was intranet.



    Check out the Google Search page.
    <http://www.google.com/>

    --
    Gus
     
    Gus Richter, Aug 31, 2009
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  6. Ganesh

    Ganesh Guest

    On Aug 31, 3:09 pm, Gus Richter <> wrote:
    > Roy A. wrote:
    > > On 30 Aug, 06:59, Ganesh <> wrote:
    > >>http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/#introduction

    >
    > >> I've just started looking into HTML5 and am trying to see that from
    > >> accessibility point of view. Is it the right time to switch over? Or,
    > >> is it better to use the well developed conventional practice for now?

    >
    > > No it is an working draft. Browsers are only implementing their parts
    > > for testing purposes, and those parts could change. Browser are
    > > probably not going to start implementing the rest of it before it
    > > becames an release candidate. Just wait until it becomes an
    > > recommandation. The same applies for css 3.

    >
    > >> Anybody already switched over?

    >
    > > No. Not even if it was intranet.

    >
    > Check out the Google Search page.
    > <http://www.google.com/>

    yes indeed
    http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.google.com/ reports
    ====
    Address:
    Encoding: iso-8859-1
    Doctype: HTML5
    Root Element: html
    ====
    So, that's the first (Hopefully) major website to have already
    implemented html5. So, I think it is a good time to start switching.
    For me Google.com = Thumbs rule :)
     
    Ganesh, Aug 31, 2009
    #6
  7. Ganesh

    Roy A. Guest

    On 31 Aug, 12:09, Gus Richter <> wrote:
    > Roy A. wrote:
    > > On 30 Aug, 06:59, Ganesh <> wrote:
    > >>http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/#introduction

    >
    > >> I've just started looking into HTML5 and am trying to see that from
    > >> accessibility point of view. Is it the right time to switch over? Or,
    > >> is it better to use the well developed conventional practice for now?

    >
    > > No it is an working draft. Browsers are only implementing their parts
    > > for testing purposes, and those parts could change. Browser are
    > > probably not going to start implementing the rest of it before it
    > > becames an release candidate. Just wait until it becomes an
    > > recommandation. The same applies for css 3.

    >
    > >> Anybody already switched over?

    >
    > > No. Not even if it was intranet.

    >
    > Check out the Google Search page.
    > <http://www.google.com/>


    The html 5 doctype "<!doctype html>" triggers standards mode in all
    browsers, or almost standards mode in IE 6 and 7.

    That could be a good thing, but you will run into trouble if you try
    to implement new html 5 features, as different browsers implements
    different html 5 featureres.

    Html 4.01 strict are also triggering standards mode in all browsers,
    or almost standards mode in IE 6 and 7.
     
    Roy A., Aug 31, 2009
    #7
  8. Ganesh

    SAZ Guest

    In article <h7dte4$u4d$-september.org>,
    says...
    > Ganesh wrote:
    > > http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/#introduction
    > >
    > > I've just started looking into HTML5 and am trying to see that from
    > > accessibility point of view. Is it the right time to switch over? Or,
    > > is it better to use the well developed conventional practice for now?
    > >
    > > Anybody already switched over?

    >
    > What business are you in?
    >
    >

    For everything Ganesh is trying to achieve and for everything he claims
    to already know, I feel as if he is only learning it recently in this
    forum.

    Switching to HTML5? A professional developer would already know the
    answer - why switch to something that is not yet fully supported (or for
    that matter, not yet approved) and will not work in older browsers?
    Isn't that the exact opposite of accessibility?

    Ganesh, do you have any idea what you're talking about, or are you just
    full of catchphrases you found while Googling?
     
    SAZ, Aug 31, 2009
    #8
  9. SAZ wrote:
    > In article <h7dte4$u4d$-september.org>,
    > says...
    >> Ganesh wrote:
    >>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/#introduction
    >>>
    >>> I've just started looking into HTML5 and am trying to see that from
    >>> accessibility point of view. Is it the right time to switch over? Or,
    >>> is it better to use the well developed conventional practice for now?
    >>>
    >>> Anybody already switched over?

    >> What business are you in?
    >>
    >>

    > For everything Ganesh is trying to achieve and for everything he claims
    > to already know, I feel as if he is only learning it recently in this
    > forum.


    When will SEO be added to his list of services?

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
     
    Jonathan N. Little, Aug 31, 2009
    #9
  10. Ganesh wrote:
    > On Aug 31, 3:09 pm, Gus Richter <> wrote:
    >> Roy A. wrote:
    >>> On 30 Aug, 06:59, Ganesh <> wrote:
    >>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/#introduction
    >>>> I've just started looking into HTML5 and am trying to see that from
    >>>> accessibility point of view. Is it the right time to switch over? Or,
    >>>> is it better to use the well developed conventional practice for now?
    >>> No it is an working draft. Browsers are only implementing their parts
    >>> for testing purposes, and those parts could change. Browser are
    >>> probably not going to start implementing the rest of it before it
    >>> becames an release candidate. Just wait until it becomes an
    >>> recommandation. The same applies for css 3.
    >>>> Anybody already switched over?
    >>> No. Not even if it was intranet.

    >> Check out the Google Search page.
    >> <http://www.google.com/>

    > yes indeed
    > http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.google.com/ reports
    > ====
    > Address:
    > Encoding: iso-8859-1
    > Doctype: HTML5
    > Root Element: html
    > ====
    > So, that's the first (Hopefully) major website to have already
    > implemented html5.


    It *claims* to have done so--but there are 39 errors.

    > So, I think it is a good time to start switching.
    > For me Google.com = Thumbs rule :)


    Why in the world would you think that what Google does has necessarily
    become a good idea? Are you also going to build validation errors into
    your code because that's what Google does? Especially when, as has
    already been explained to you, the definition of HTML 5 hasn't even been
    *finished* yet. So whatever Google has decided to play with is premature.
     
    Harlan Messinger, Aug 31, 2009
    #10
  11. ..oO(Jonathan N. Little)

    >SAZ wrote:
    >> In article <h7dte4$u4d$-september.org>,
    >> says...
    >>> Ganesh wrote:
    >>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/#introduction
    >>>>
    >>>> I've just started looking into HTML5 and am trying to see that from
    >>>> accessibility point of view. Is it the right time to switch over? Or,
    >>>> is it better to use the well developed conventional practice for now?
    >>>>
    >>>> Anybody already switched over?
    >>> What business are you in?
    >>>
    >>>

    >> For everything Ganesh is trying to achieve and for everything he claims
    >> to already know, I feel as if he is only learning it recently in this
    >> forum.

    >
    >When will SEO be added to his list of services?


    After he has looked up the term in Wikipedia?

    SCNR
    Micha
     
    Michael Fesser, Aug 31, 2009
    #11
  12. Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "Jonathan N. Little"
    <> writing in news:h7gu8p$40j$-
    september.org:

    > SAZ wrote:
    >> In article <h7dte4$u4d$-september.org>,
    >> says...
    >>> Ganesh wrote:
    >>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/#introduction
    >>>>
    >>>> I've just started looking into HTML5 and am trying to see that from
    >>>> accessibility point of view. Is it the right time to switch over? Or,
    >>>> is it better to use the well developed conventional practice for now?
    >>>>
    >>>> Anybody already switched over?
    >>> What business are you in?
    >>>
    >>>

    >> For everything Ganesh is trying to achieve and for everything he claims
    >> to already know, I feel as if he is only learning it recently in this
    >> forum.

    >
    > When will SEO be added to his list of services?
    >


    Already is - http://seashell.co.in/

    He still hasn't fixed the wording on the logo either.

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    http://www.cavalcade-of-coding.info
    Please respond to the group so others can share
     
    Adrienne Boswell, Sep 1, 2009
    #12
  13. Ganesh

    Ganesh Guest

    On Sep 1, 12:56 am, Harlan Messinger
    <> wrote:

    > Why in the world would you think that what Google does has necessarily
    > become a good idea? Are you also going to build validation errors into
    > your code because that's what Google does? Especially when, as has
    > already been explained to you, the definition of HTML 5 hasn't even been
    > *finished* yet. So whatever Google has decided to play with is premature.


    If you have carefully watched http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html
    You will see
    =====
    Editors:
    Ian Hickson, Google, Inc.
    David Hyatt, Apple, Inc.
    =====

    That's the very reason google.com's implementing it
     
    Ganesh, Sep 1, 2009
    #13
  14. Ganesh

    Ganesh Guest

    On Sep 1, 7:44 am, Ganesh <> wrote:
    > On Sep 1, 12:56 am, Harlan Messinger
    >
    > <> wrote:
    > > Why in the world would you think that what Google does has necessarily
    > > become a good idea? Are you also going to build validation errors into
    > > your code because that's what Google does? Especially when, as has
    > > already been explained to you, the definition of HTML 5 hasn't even been
    > > *finished* yet. So whatever Google has decided to play with is premature.

    >
    > If you have carefully watchedhttp://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html
    > You will see
    > =====
    > Editors:
    >     Ian Hickson, Google, Inc.
    >     David Hyatt, Apple, Inc.
    > =====
    >
    > That's the very reason google.com's implementing it


    I see this with apple.com as well

    ====
    Encoding: utf-8
    Doctype: HTML5
    Root Element: html
    ====
     
    Ganesh, Sep 1, 2009
    #14
  15. Ganesh

    Ganesh Guest

    On Sep 1, 8:20 am, Ganesh <> wrote:
    > On Sep 1, 7:44 am, Ganesh <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Sep 1, 12:56 am, Harlan Messinger

    >
    > > <> wrote:
    > > > Why in the world would you think that what Google does has necessarily
    > > > become a good idea? Are you also going to build validation errors into
    > > > your code because that's what Google does? Especially when, as has
    > > > already been explained to you, the definition of HTML 5 hasn't even been
    > > > *finished* yet. So whatever Google has decided to play with is premature.

    >
    > > If you have carefully watchedhttp://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html
    > > You will see
    > > =====
    > > Editors:
    > >     Ian Hickson, Google, Inc.
    > >     David Hyatt, Apple, Inc.
    > > =====

    >
    > > That's the very reason google.com's implementing it

    >
    > I see this with apple.com as well
    >
    > ====
    > Encoding:       utf-8
    > Doctype:        HTML5
    > Root Element:   html
    > ====


    But they use <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en-
    us" lang="en-us"> .. that's strange
     
    Ganesh, Sep 1, 2009
    #15
  16. Ganesh wrote:
    > On Sep 1, 12:56 am, Harlan Messinger
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >> Why in the world would you think that what Google does has necessarily
    >> become a good idea? Are you also going to build validation errors into
    >> your code because that's what Google does? Especially when, as has
    >> already been explained to you, the definition of HTML 5 hasn't even been
    >> *finished* yet. So whatever Google has decided to play with is premature.

    >
    > If you have carefully watched http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html
    > You will see
    > =====
    > Editors:
    > Ian Hickson, Google, Inc.
    > David Hyatt, Apple, Inc.
    > =====
    >
    > That's the very reason google.com's implementing it


    As has been pointed out to you, Google isn't implementing it. All they
    have done is use the simplified doctype directive. In case it's escaped
    you, it wouldn't do them any good to implement anything that browsers
    have no idea what to do with.
     
    Harlan Messinger, Sep 1, 2009
    #16
  17. Ganesh wrote:
    > On Sep 1, 8:20 am, Ganesh <> wrote:
    >> On Sep 1, 7:44 am, Ganesh <> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> On Sep 1, 12:56 am, Harlan Messinger
    >>> <> wrote:
    >>>> Why in the world would you think that what Google does has necessarily
    >>>> become a good idea? Are you also going to build validation errors into
    >>>> your code because that's what Google does? Especially when, as has
    >>>> already been explained to you, the definition of HTML 5 hasn't even been
    >>>> *finished* yet. So whatever Google has decided to play with is premature.
    >>> If you have carefully watchedhttp://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html
    >>> You will see
    >>> =====
    >>> Editors:
    >>> Ian Hickson, Google, Inc.
    >>> David Hyatt, Apple, Inc.
    >>> =====
    >>> That's the very reason google.com's implementing it

    >> I see this with apple.com as well
    >>
    >> ====
    >> Encoding: utf-8
    >> Doctype: HTML5
    >> Root Element: html
    >> ====

    >
    > But they use <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en-
    > us" lang="en-us"> .. that's strange


    Right. And the home page has six validation errors. In fact, the Apple
    home page has

    <script language="text/javascript">

    which is missing the type attribute that was required even in HTML 4.01,
    and despite the XHTML attributes in the <html> tag, they have unclosed
    <input> and <img> tags. So can you please stop telling us that these
    companies are implementing HTML 5 on their websites when they aren't
    implementing ANY one version of HTML but have a mix of constructions
    from a variety of versions?
     
    Harlan Messinger, Sep 1, 2009
    #17
  18. X-No-Archive

    On 30 Aug., 06:59, Ganesh <> wrote:
    > http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/#introduction
    >
    > I've just started looking into HTML5 and am trying to see that from
    > accessibility point of view. Is it the right time to switch over? Or,
    > is it better to use the well developed conventional practice for now?
    >
    > Anybody already switched over?


    http://www.youtube.com/html5

    If you want to be a switch then you have to do both: html5 and
    sometimes no html5

    My wish for HTML7 would be that you can choose the language in which
    you can use the tags. (o;
    Or maybe that should be posted to adobe's mind mapping for DW++
     
    Jan C. Faerber, Sep 1, 2009
    #18
  19. Ganesh

    SAZ Guest

    In article <Xns9C78AB21377Aarbpenyahoocom@188.40.43.213>,
    says...
    > Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "Jonathan N. Little"
    > <> writing in news:h7gu8p$40j$-
    > september.org:
    >
    > > SAZ wrote:
    > >> In article <h7dte4$u4d$-september.org>,
    > >> says...
    > >>> Ganesh wrote:
    > >>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/#introduction
    > >>>>
    > >>>> I've just started looking into HTML5 and am trying to see that from
    > >>>> accessibility point of view. Is it the right time to switch over? Or,
    > >>>> is it better to use the well developed conventional practice for now?
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Anybody already switched over?
    > >>> What business are you in?
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >> For everything Ganesh is trying to achieve and for everything he claims
    > >> to already know, I feel as if he is only learning it recently in this
    > >> forum.

    > >
    > > When will SEO be added to his list of services?
    > >

    >
    > Already is - http://seashell.co.in/
    >
    > He still hasn't fixed the wording on the logo either.
    >
    >

    So it appears I'm correct - this group is currently teaching him
    everything he needs to know.

    Is it time to cut the cord yet?
     
    SAZ, Sep 2, 2009
    #19
  20. Ganesh

    Ganesh Guest

    On Sep 3, 12:52 am, SAZ <> wrote:
    > In article <Xns9C78AB21377Aarbpenyahoo...@188.40.43.213>,
    > says...
    >
    > > Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "Jonathan N. Little"
    > > <> writing innews:h7gu8p$40j$-
    > > september.org:

    >
    > > > SAZ wrote:
    > > >> In article <h7dte4$-september.org>,
    > > >> says...
    > > >>> Ganesh wrote:
    > > >>>>http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/#introduction

    >
    > > >>>> I've just started looking into HTML5 and am trying to see that from
    > > >>>> accessibility point of view. Is it the right time to switch over? Or,
    > > >>>> is it better to use the well developed conventional practice for now?

    >
    > > >>>> Anybody already switched over?
    > > >>> What business are you in?

    >
    > > >> For everything Ganesh is trying to achieve and for everything he claims
    > > >> to already know, I feel as if he is only learning it recently in this
    > > >> forum.

    >
    > > > When will SEO be added to his list of services?

    >
    > > Already is -http://seashell.co.in/

    >
    > > He still hasn't fixed the wording on the logo either.

    >
    > So it appears I'm correct - this group is currently teaching him
    > everything he needs to know.


    I thought that's what the groups are for. I've learn most of it I know
    from here. I did share some too. I do sometimes pickup things on my
    own as well.
     
    Ganesh, Sep 3, 2009
    #20
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