HTML5

T

Travis Newbury

http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/#introduction

I've just started looking into HTML5 and am trying to see that from
accessibility point of view. Is it the right time to switch over? Or,
is it better to use the well developed conventional practice for now?

Anybody already switched over?

By the time the browsers stop supporting HTML3 and 4, HTML7 will
probably be on the standard. It would be wise to pay attention, but
equally as wise to keep current with obsolete version as you will be
running into them for the next 5 or 10 years.
 
R

Roy A.

http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/#introduction

I've just started looking into HTML5 and am trying to see that from
accessibility point of view. Is it the right time to switch over? Or,
is it better to use the well developed conventional practice for now?

No it is an working draft. Browsers are only implementing their parts
for testing purposes, and those parts could change. Browser are
probably not going to start implementing the rest of it before it
becames an release candidate. Just wait until it becomes an
recommandation. The same applies for css 3.
Anybody already switched over?

No. Not even if it was intranet.
 
G

Gus Richter

Roy said:
No it is an working draft. Browsers are only implementing their parts
for testing purposes, and those parts could change. Browser are
probably not going to start implementing the rest of it before it
becames an release candidate. Just wait until it becomes an
recommandation. The same applies for css 3.


No. Not even if it was intranet.


Check out the Google Search page.
<http://www.google.com/>
 
R

Roy A.

Check out the Google Search page.
<http://www.google.com/>

The html 5 doctype "<!doctype html>" triggers standards mode in all
browsers, or almost standards mode in IE 6 and 7.

That could be a good thing, but you will run into trouble if you try
to implement new html 5 features, as different browsers implements
different html 5 featureres.

Html 4.01 strict are also triggering standards mode in all browsers,
or almost standards mode in IE 6 and 7.
 
S

SAZ

What business are you in?
For everything Ganesh is trying to achieve and for everything he claims
to already know, I feel as if he is only learning it recently in this
forum.

Switching to HTML5? A professional developer would already know the
answer - why switch to something that is not yet fully supported (or for
that matter, not yet approved) and will not work in older browsers?
Isn't that the exact opposite of accessibility?

Ganesh, do you have any idea what you're talking about, or are you just
full of catchphrases you found while Googling?
 
J

Jonathan N. Little

SAZ said:
For everything Ganesh is trying to achieve and for everything he claims
to already know, I feel as if he is only learning it recently in this
forum.

When will SEO be added to his list of services?
 
H

Harlan Messinger

Ganesh said:
yes indeed
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.google.com/ reports
====
Address:
Encoding: iso-8859-1
Doctype: HTML5
Root Element: html
====
So, that's the first (Hopefully) major website to have already
implemented html5.

It *claims* to have done so--but there are 39 errors.
So, I think it is a good time to start switching.
For me Google.com = Thumbs rule :)

Why in the world would you think that what Google does has necessarily
become a good idea? Are you also going to build validation errors into
your code because that's what Google does? Especially when, as has
already been explained to you, the definition of HTML 5 hasn't even been
*finished* yet. So whatever Google has decided to play with is premature.
 
G

Ganesh

Why in the world would you think that what Google does has necessarily
become a good idea? Are you also going to build validation errors into
your code because that's what Google does? Especially when, as has
already been explained to you, the definition of HTML 5 hasn't even been
*finished* yet. So whatever Google has decided to play with is premature.

If you have carefully watched http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html
You will see
=====
Editors:
Ian Hickson, Google, Inc.
David Hyatt, Apple, Inc.
=====

That's the very reason google.com's implementing it
 
G

Ganesh

If you have carefully watchedhttp://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html
You will see
=====
Editors:
    Ian Hickson, Google, Inc.
    David Hyatt, Apple, Inc.
=====

That's the very reason google.com's implementing it

I see this with apple.com as well

====
Encoding: utf-8
Doctype: HTML5
Root Element: html
====
 
H

Harlan Messinger

Ganesh said:
If you have carefully watched http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html
You will see
=====
Editors:
Ian Hickson, Google, Inc.
David Hyatt, Apple, Inc.
=====

That's the very reason google.com's implementing it

As has been pointed out to you, Google isn't implementing it. All they
have done is use the simplified doctype directive. In case it's escaped
you, it wouldn't do them any good to implement anything that browsers
have no idea what to do with.
 
H

Harlan Messinger

Ganesh said:
But they use <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en-
us" lang="en-us"> .. that's strange

Right. And the home page has six validation errors. In fact, the Apple
home page has

<script language="text/javascript">

which is missing the type attribute that was required even in HTML 4.01,
and despite the XHTML attributes in the <html> tag, they have unclosed
<input> and <img> tags. So can you please stop telling us that these
companies are implementing HTML 5 on their websites when they aren't
implementing ANY one version of HTML but have a mix of constructions
from a variety of versions?
 
J

Jan C. Faerber

X-No-Archive

http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/#introduction

I've just started looking into HTML5 and am trying to see that from
accessibility point of view. Is it the right time to switch over? Or,
is it better to use the well developed conventional practice for now?

Anybody already switched over?

http://www.youtube.com/html5

If you want to be a switch then you have to do both: html5 and
sometimes no html5

My wish for HTML7 would be that you can choose the language in which
you can use the tags. (o;
Or maybe that should be posted to adobe's mind mapping for DW++
 
G

Ganesh

So it appears I'm correct - this group is currently teaching him
everything he needs to know.

I thought that's what the groups are for. I've learn most of it I know
from here. I did share some too. I do sometimes pickup things on my
own as well.
 

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