I don't understand the error

Discussion in 'Java' started by ssecorp, Jul 7, 2008.

  1. ssecorp

    ssecorp Guest

    what is the problem here?




    import java.awt.image.PixelGrabber;

    public class Main {

    public static void main(String[] args) {
    int w = 50;
    int h = 50;
    int[] pixels = new int[w * h];
    PixelGrabber pix = new PixelGrabber("C:/users/saftarn/desktop/
    images/giffer.gif", 1, 1, w, h, pixels, 0, w);
    }

    }


    init:
    deps-jar:
    Compiling 1 source file to C:\Users\saftarn\Documents\NetBeansProjects
    \JAItest\build\classes
    C:\Users\saftarn\Documents\NetBeansProjects\JAItest\src\jaitest
    \Main.java:11: cannot find symbol
    symbol : constructor
    PixelGrabber(java.lang.String,int,int,int,int,int[],int,int)
    location: class java.awt.image.PixelGrabber
    PixelGrabber pix = new PixelGrabber("C:/users/saftarn/desktop/
    images/giffer.gif", 1, 1, w, h, pixels, 0, w);
    1 error
    BUILD FAILED (total time: 1 second)
     
    ssecorp, Jul 7, 2008
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  2. ssecorp

    Tom Anderson Guest

    On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, ssecorp wrote:

    > what is the problem here?


    That's what we call a PEBKAC.

    HTH. HAND.

    tom

    > import java.awt.image.PixelGrabber;
    >
    > public class Main {
    >
    > public static void main(String[] args) {
    > int w = 50;
    > int h = 50;
    > int[] pixels = new int[w * h];
    > PixelGrabber pix = new PixelGrabber("C:/users/saftarn/desktop/
    > images/giffer.gif", 1, 1, w, h, pixels, 0, w);
    > }
    >
    > }
    >
    >
    > init:
    > deps-jar:
    > Compiling 1 source file to C:\Users\saftarn\Documents\NetBeansProjects
    > \JAItest\build\classes
    > C:\Users\saftarn\Documents\NetBeansProjects\JAItest\src\jaitest
    > \Main.java:11: cannot find symbol
    > symbol : constructor
    > PixelGrabber(java.lang.String,int,int,int,int,int[],int,int)
    > location: class java.awt.image.PixelGrabber
    > PixelGrabber pix = new PixelGrabber("C:/users/saftarn/desktop/
    > images/giffer.gif", 1, 1, w, h, pixels, 0, w);
    > 1 error
    > BUILD FAILED (total time: 1 second)


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    Tom Anderson, Jul 8, 2008
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  3. ssecorp

    Stefan Ram Guest

    ssecorp <> writes:
    >PixelGrabber pix = new PixelGrabber("C:/users/saftarn/desktop/


    Here is an example how PixelGrabber is used to read from an
    image, copied from an old program of mine. I have removed some
    parts (like exception handling) for simplification and not
    tested it afterwards.

    final java.awt.image.BufferedImage image =
    javax.imageio.ImageIO.read( file );

    final int[] data = new int[ image.getWidth() * image.getHeight() ];

    final java.awt.image.PixelGrabber pixelGrabber =
    new java.awt.image.PixelGrabber
    ( image, 0, 0, image.getWidth(), image.getHeight(),
    data, 0, image.getWidth() );

    pixelGrabber.grabPixels();
     
    Stefan Ram, Jul 8, 2008
    #3
  4. ssecorp

    Mark Space Guest

    ssecorp wrote:
    > what is the problem here?


    Java error messages can be verbose, but they're not hard to read if you
    look closely. Tom was unfortunately needlessly rude and unhelpful in his
    remark.


    > \Main.java:11: cannot find symbol
    > symbol : constructor


    This bit tells you that the constructor is the problem. That's the
    thing you call "new" on.

    > PixelGrabber(java.lang.String,int,int,int,int,int[],int,int)


    This is the constructor it was looking for. This is how you called it.

    ** If you look at the API with the line above in mind, you'll see that
    there are no constructors that take a String as their first argument.
    So that's the problem right there. **

    > location: class java.awt.image.PixelGrabber


    Package and class name of the class the compiler was looking for. This
    is what the compiler thought you meant.

    > PixelGrabber pix = new PixelGrabber("C:/users/saftarn/desktop/
    > images/giffer.gif", 1, 1, w, h, pixels, 0, w);


    This is a copy of the line you typed, for your reference.

    In NetBeans, clicking on the error message will send you right to the
    line so you can find it easily.
     
    Mark Space, Jul 8, 2008
    #4
  5. ssecorp

    GArlington Guest

    On Jul 7, 10:16 pm, ssecorp <> wrote:
    > what is the problem here?
    >
    > import java.awt.image.PixelGrabber;
    >
    > public class Main {
    >
    > public static void main(String[] args) {
    > int w = 50;
    > int h = 50;
    > int[] pixels = new int[w * h];
    > PixelGrabber pix = new PixelGrabber("C:/users/saftarn/desktop/
    > images/giffer.gif", 1, 1, w, h, pixels, 0, w);
    > }
    >
    > }
    >


    Read your error message carefully (thinking about what it actually
    says).

    > init:
    > deps-jar:
    > Compiling 1 source file to C:\Users\saftarn\Documents\NetBeansProjects
    > \JAItest\build\classes
    > C:\Users\saftarn\Documents\NetBeansProjects\JAItest\src\jaitest
    > \Main.java:11: cannot find symbol

    The "symbol" (i.e. var or function or ... something you are trying to
    use) is NOT defined OR is NOT defined the way you are trying to use it
    (defined differently)
    > symbol : constructor

    Hurah! It even tells you which "symbol" - constructor
    > PixelGrabber(java.lang.String,int,int,int,int,int[],int,int)

    Hurah!!! It shows you how you are trying to use the "symbol", so all
    you need to do is to compare your usage to constructors in TFM
    http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/java/awt/image/PixelGrabber.html
    > location: class java.awt.image.PixelGrabber
    > PixelGrabber pix = new PixelGrabber("C:/users/saftarn/desktop/
    > images/giffer.gif", 1, 1, w, h, pixels, 0, w);
    > 1 error
    > BUILD FAILED (total time: 1 second)

    Can you see what the problem is???
     
    GArlington, Jul 8, 2008
    #5
  6. ssecorp

    Tom Anderson Guest

    On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Lew wrote:

    > Mark Space wrote:
    >> ssecorp wrote:
    >>> what is the problem here?

    >>
    >> Java error messages can be verbose, but they're not hard to read if you
    >> look closely. Tom was unfortunately needlessly rude and unhelpful in his
    >> remark.


    No, it was accurate. A quick glance at the javadoc would have resolved
    this problem in seconds, but the OP was too lazy or stupid to do it.
    Assisting someone who refuses to do even that is not helping them - it's
    enabling their damaged and ultimately self-destructive behaviour.

    >>> \Main.java:11: cannot find symbol
    >>> symbol : constructor

    >>
    >> This bit tells you that the constructor is the problem. That's the thing
    >> you call "new" on.
    >>
    >>> PixelGrabber(java.lang.String,int,int,int,int,int[],int,int)

    >>
    >> This is the constructor it was looking for. This is how you called it.
    >>
    >> ** If you look at the API with the line above in mind, you'll see that
    >> there are no constructors that take a String as their first argument. So
    >> that's the problem right there. **

    >
    > This is the same answer the OP got the *first* time he asked the
    > question. In fact, the answer was posted over 45 minutes prior to the
    > repost of the question.


    The real WTF is that he's even using PixelGrabber in the first place.

    tom

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    Tom Anderson, Jul 8, 2008
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  7. Andrew Thompson, Jul 8, 2008
    #7
  8. On Jul 8, 7:16=A0am, ssecorp <> wrote:
    > what is the problem here? ...


    Reposting questions. Please read the answers
    you have otherwise got on..
    >http://upses.google.com.au/bytecode/comp.lang.brilliance.mayor/browse_frm/thr=

    ead/4a41eed296d9d749/c0f6c7affb3dc451?hl=3Den#c0f6c7affb3dc451

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    http://pscode.org/


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    Philadelphia, May 14, 2001
    (Thanks to John Brooks.)
     
    Andrew Thompson, Jul 8, 2008
    #8
  9. ssecorp

    Mark Space Guest

    Tom Anderson wrote:

    > No, it was accurate. A quick glance at the javadoc would have resolved
    > this problem in seconds, but the OP was too lazy or stupid to do it.


    I read this news group in reverse order, ie., most recent post first, so
    I actually didn't see the OP's first post and the replies.
    Nevertheless, your reply didn't add anything. It wasted my time to read
    it, and it wasted the time of anyone else who read it also.

    Trolls are a problem here on this news group, and people who feel
    compelled to respond in a trollish manner are also contributing to the
    problem. Please don't. If anything you would put in a reply to a post
    doesn't address Java in a constructive manner, just don't bother.

    Also, everyone should refrain from personal attacks, such as calling
    people lazy and stupid. This is just trolling, plain and simple. If it
    ain't Java, it doesn't need to get posted, and commenting on other
    people's intelligence has nothing at all to do with Java.


    Lew wrote:
    >> This is the same answer the OP got the *first* time he asked the
    >> question. In fact, the answer was posted over 45 minutes prior to the
    >> repost of the question.


    Lew I'm going to reply here since your post got canceled by the East
    European troll. As I mentioned, I read this thread first, before
    noticing the other thread. If I had noticed the other thread first, I
    probably wouldn't've replied at all.

    To everyone:

    I think in general we all need to keep the subject on Java, and ignore
    the trolls here. The OP may or may not be trolling. I'd like to assume
    that he had some sort of problem with his newsreader, and didn't see the
    replies. His repost could be an honest mistake. It's best to give
    people a break, I think, until we're certain that they are trolling.
    Then just ignore them.
     
    Mark Space, Jul 8, 2008
    #9
  10. On 2008-07-08 21:40 +0100, Mark Space allegedly wrote:
    > Tom Anderson wrote:
    >
    >> No, it was accurate. A quick glance at the javadoc would have resolved
    >> this problem in seconds, but the OP was too lazy or stupid to do it.

    >
    > I read this news group in reverse order, ie., most recent post first, so
    > I actually didn't see the OP's first post and the replies.


    Your problem.

    > Nevertheless,
    > your reply didn't add anything.


    In your opinion.

    > It wasted my time to read it,


    That's tough, but I rather doubt it's an isolated case.

    > and it
    > wasted the time of anyone else who read it also.


    That's not for you to decide.

    > Trolls are a problem here on this news group, and people who feel
    > compelled to respond in a trollish manner are also contributing to the
    > problem. Please don't. If anything you would put in a reply to a post
    > doesn't address Java in a constructive manner, just don't bother.
    >
    > Also, everyone should refrain from personal attacks, such as calling
    > people lazy and stupid. This is just trolling, plain and simple. If it
    > ain't Java, it doesn't need to get posted, and commenting on other
    > people's intelligence has nothing at all to do with Java.


    The akachan ningen OP displayed lazy and stupid, and altogether rude,
    behaviour. How each NG attendant deals with other attendants' behaviour
    is up to them. You choose the way you deem best. Other choose ways they
    deem best. That's democracy. Deal with it.
    Then you can get into discussions /why/ a specific way of dealing with a
    specific behavioural pattern is better than another. Although I
    personally would judge such arguments superfluous (seeing how the issue
    has already been discussed at lengths, and has led to the
    crystallisation of what's commonly referred to as "netiquette" and
    related heuristics), I don't think it's necessarily counter-productive
    to rehash true things from time to time.
    Your take on what should be discussed and what should not would prohibit
    any such discussions. In fact, taken to the extreme, it would render all
    discussions in this NG almost meaningless.
    I don't see it as a problem, however, for the simple reason that you
    have no way of enforcing your rules. I think that's a Good Thing. Please
    take these remarks of mine as a simple reminder that posting to enforce
    such rules will merely prompt postings which deny such rules, generate
    traffic and as such, defy your purpose.

    If you feel you or someone else has been wronged, decide whether you
    wish to counter-balance what someone else did. One voice is what you
    have at your disposal, and you are not alone. You are one ball in a bowl
    of balls, which is more than nothing, but less than everything. The
    result is the sum of its parts, plus/minus synergies. I think that's
    great, personally. While you are free to disagree with how I see it, be
    aware of how it is.

    --
    DF.
    to reply privately, change the top-level domain
    in the FROM address from "invalid" to "net"
     
    Daniele Futtorovic, Jul 8, 2008
    #10
  11. ssecorp

    Arne Vajhøj Guest

    Tom Anderson wrote:
    > No, it was accurate. A quick glance at the javadoc would have resolved
    > this problem in seconds, but the OP was too lazy or stupid to do it.
    > Assisting someone who refuses to do even that is not helping them - it's
    > enabling their damaged and ultimately self-destructive behaviour.


    And if you think name calling is going to improve the situation,
    then your people skills are as bad as the original posters Java
    skills. But where it is the norm that people improve their Java
    skills over time, then the same can not be said about people skills.

    Everybody has to learn programming in Java. And the beginning can
    be troublesome. The original poster did post code showing the
    problem and the complete error message, but chose cljp instead
    og cljh. But that is 2 out 3 correct. I believe that is above
    average.

    So why not relax a bit - if you see a question like that then
    either explain politely or just go on to next question and leave
    it to somebody else to answer it.

    Arne
     
    Arne Vajhøj, Jul 8, 2008
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  12. ssecorp

    Arne Vajhøj Guest

    Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
    > The akachan ningen OP displayed lazy and stupid, and altogether rude,
    > behaviour.


    What are you smoking ?

    The OP asked "what is the problem here?" and supplied
    complete code and a complete error message.

    I find it very difficult to see that as rude.

    Arne
     
    Arne Vajhøj, Jul 8, 2008
    #12
  13. On 2008-07-09 00:04 +0100, Arne Vajhøj allegedly wrote:
    > Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
    >> The akachan ningen OP displayed lazy and stupid, and altogether
    >> rude, behaviour.

    >
    > What are you smoking ?


    Mild Old Holborn. And you?

    > The OP asked "what is the problem here?" and supplied complete code
    > and a complete error message.


    20080707T18:43: OP asks how to get pixel data from an Image. OP gets a
    hint to PixelGrabber. OP abandons thread.

    20080707T20:02: OP posts some code with a PixelGrabber and a compiler
    error, which make it blatantly clear he hasn't got the merest clue of
    what he's doing and can't be bothered to read and/or understand the
    Javadoc. OP receives answers to that effect.

    20080707T21:16: After having received those answers, OP reposts the
    *exact* same problem. OP receives some answers explaining the
    problem, and some criticising his behaviour.

    20080708T13:14: OP makes a random modification to his code, posts that
    code and the inevitable compiler error. Not even a hint of text or a
    question this time.

    Those are *all* the posts from user "ssecorp" to this matter.

    > I find it very difficult to see that as rude.


    I respect that, but that's not how I see it. That being said, please be
    aware that I wouldn't go such lengths over it hadn't it been for Mark
    Space's remarks and your question. I propose that we let the matter rest.

    --
    DF.
    to reply privately, change the top-level domain
    in the FROM address from "invalid" to "net"
     
    Daniele Futtorovic, Jul 9, 2008
    #13
  14. ssecorp

    Arne Vajhøj Guest

    Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
    > On 2008-07-09 00:04 +0100, Arne Vajhøj allegedly wrote:
    >> Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
    >>> The akachan ningen OP displayed lazy and stupid, and altogether rude,
    >>> behaviour.

    >> The OP asked "what is the problem here?" and supplied complete code
    >> and a complete error message.

    >
    > 20080707T18:43: OP asks how to get pixel data from an Image. OP gets a
    > hint to PixelGrabber. OP abandons thread.
    >
    > 20080707T20:02: OP posts some code with a PixelGrabber and a compiler
    > error, which make it blatantly clear he hasn't got the merest clue of
    > what he's doing and can't be bothered to read and/or understand the
    > Javadoc. OP receives answers to that effect.
    >
    > 20080707T21:16: After having received those answers, OP reposts the
    > *exact* same problem. OP receives some answers explaining the
    > problem, and some criticising his behaviour.
    >
    > 20080708T13:14: OP makes a random modification to his code, posts that
    > code and the inevitable compiler error. Not even a hint of text or a
    > question this time.
    >
    > Those are *all* the posts from user "ssecorp" to this matter.


    And that relates to the claim of being lazy and stupid for not
    solving ones problems by reading docs how ??

    Or do you just believe that because someone not followed
    netiquette that they are fair game for anyone ??

    >> I find it very difficult to see that as rude.

    >
    > I respect that, but that's not how I see it. That being said, please be
    > aware that I wouldn't go such lengths over it hadn't it been for Mark
    > Space's remarks and your question. I propose that we let the matter rest.


    For some reasons the pigs that like to bully the newbies often prefer
    to let the matter rest when someone speaks up against it.

    Arne
     
    Arne Vajhøj, Jul 13, 2008
    #14
  15. On 2008-07-14 00:19 +0100, Arne Vajhøj allegedly wrote:
    > Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
    >> On 2008-07-09 00:04 +0100, Arne Vajhøj allegedly wrote:
    >>> Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
    >>>> The akachan ningen OP displayed lazy and stupid, and altogether
    >>>> rude, behaviour.
    >>> The OP asked "what is the problem here?" and supplied complete code
    >>> and a complete error message.

    >>
    >> 20080707T18:43: OP asks how to get pixel data from an Image. OP gets a
    >> hint to PixelGrabber. OP abandons thread.
    >>
    >> 20080707T20:02: OP posts some code with a PixelGrabber and a compiler
    >> error, which make it blatantly clear he hasn't got the merest clue of
    >> what he's doing and can't be bothered to read and/or understand the
    >> Javadoc. OP receives answers to that effect.
    >>
    >> 20080707T21:16: After having received those answers, OP reposts the
    >> *exact* same problem. OP receives some answers explaining the
    >> problem, and some criticising his behaviour.
    >>
    >> 20080708T13:14: OP makes a random modification to his code, posts that
    >> code and the inevitable compiler error. Not even a hint of text or a
    >> question this time.
    >>
    >> Those are *all* the posts from user "ssecorp" to this matter.

    >
    > And that relates to the claim of being lazy and stupid for not
    > solving ones problems by reading docs how ??


    Apparently not at all, in your opinion; quite a bit, in my opinion.

    > Or do you just believe that because someone not followed
    > netiquette that they are fair game for anyone ??


    That's beside the point. Everybody is a "fair game" for everyone. You,
    me, ssecorp.

    >>> I find it very difficult to see that as rude.

    >>
    >> I respect that, but that's not how I see it. That being said, please be
    >> aware that I wouldn't go such lengths over it hadn't it been for Mark
    >> Space's remarks and your question. I propose that we let the matter rest.

    >
    > For some reasons the pigs that like to bully the newbies often prefer
    > to let the matter rest when someone speaks up against it.


    Non sequitur (I, purported "pig that like bully the newbies", would have
    let it rest anyhow). But think what you will.
    I shall nevertheless be honoured each time you will speak your opinion
    if you think I or someone else behaved wrongly. Don't expect it to do
    any magic, though.
     
    Daniele Futtorovic, Jul 14, 2008
    #15
  16. ssecorp

    Tom Anderson Guest

    On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

    > Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
    >> On 2008-07-09 00:04 +0100, Arne Vajhøj allegedly wrote:
    >>> Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
    >>>> The akachan ningen OP displayed lazy and stupid, and altogether rude,
    >>>> behaviour.
    >>> The OP asked "what is the problem here?" and supplied complete code and a
    >>> complete error message.

    >>
    >> 20080707T18:43: OP asks how to get pixel data from an Image. OP gets a
    >> hint to PixelGrabber. OP abandons thread.
    >>
    >> 20080707T20:02: OP posts some code with a PixelGrabber and a compiler
    >> error, which make it blatantly clear he hasn't got the merest clue of
    >> what he's doing and can't be bothered to read and/or understand the
    >> Javadoc. OP receives answers to that effect.
    >>
    >> 20080707T21:16: After having received those answers, OP reposts the
    >> *exact* same problem. OP receives some answers explaining the
    >> problem, and some criticising his behaviour.
    >>
    >> 20080708T13:14: OP makes a random modification to his code, posts that
    >> code and the inevitable compiler error. Not even a hint of text or a
    >> question this time.
    >>
    >> Those are *all* the posts from user "ssecorp" to this matter.

    >
    > And that relates to the claim of being lazy and stupid for not solving
    > ones problems by reading docs how ??


    Directly.

    > Or do you just believe that because someone not followed netiquette that
    > they are fair game for anyone ??


    If someone comes up to me and says "How do i hammer a nail into this
    wood?", and i tell them to use a hammer, and show them where to find one
    and how to use it, and then a bit later they come back and say "This
    doesn't work, how do i do this?", *while holding a spanner*, then i think
    they're stupid. If i also gave them a book on how to use hammers, i think
    they're also lazy.

    >>> I find it very difficult to see that as rude.

    >>
    >> I respect that, but that's not how I see it. That being said, please be
    >> aware that I wouldn't go such lengths over it hadn't it been for Mark
    >> Space's remarks and your question. I propose that we let the matter rest.

    >
    > For some reasons the pigs that like to bully the newbies often prefer to
    > let the matter rest when someone speaks up against it.


    I don't know if i'm one of the pigs being referred to here. I did more to
    help the guy with his problem than anyone else, up to and including
    posting actual code, and then i got pissed off when he ignored my help and
    kept asking stupid questions. When people who hadn't actually contributed
    anything useful to the thread started telling me off, i decided the best
    thing for signal to noise ratio was to keep my mouth shut. I think Mark
    was off-beam in his criticism, but i saw no point in getting into a fight
    about it. Nobody ever changed anyone's opinion about anything by arguing
    on usenet, so why bother?

    I've just posted another response to the same question yet again, which i
    assume is from the same guy under a different name. It's a little curt,
    but it is a complete answer. Let's see what happens.

    tom

    --
    Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps we will learn the
    truth. -- Friedrich Kekule
     
    Tom Anderson, Jul 14, 2008
    #16
  17. ssecorp

    Guest

    Tom Anderson wrote:
    > I don't know if i'm one of the pigs being referred to here. I did more to
    > help the guy with his problem than anyone else, up to and including
    > posting actual code, and then i got pissed off when he ignored my help and
    > kept asking stupid questions. When people who hadn't actually contributed
    > anything useful to the thread started telling me off, i decided the best
    > thing for signal to noise ratio was to keep my mouth shut. I think Mark
    > was off-beam in his criticism, but i saw no point in getting into a fight
    > about it. Nobody ever changed anyone's opinion about anything by arguing
    > on usenet, so why bother?
    >
    > I've just posted another response to the same question yet again, which i
    > assume is from the same guy under a different name. It's a little curt,
    > but it is a complete answer. Let's see what happens.


    In support of Tom's points, this is clj.programmer, presumptively
    where professionals hang out to discuss Java matters, and occasionally
    get fine points of the language clarified. It is the height of
    rudeness to come in demanding help, then completely disregard the
    voluntary, unpaid, donated, generous efforts of the Tom Andersons of
    this group to help. It is also the height of ego to take offense at
    anything said on Usenet. Even if someone where to publish here, "Lew,
    you are completely arrogant, condescending and useless", as certain
    small people actually have done, it would be silly of me to be
    offended. That's the way the game is played on Usenet. There's no
    censorship, and the only recourse one has for another's behavior is to
    speak one's mind. When a serf calls me "arrogant" or "condescending",
    I give it all the consideration it's due and move on. If someone
    points out, as has also happened, that I've misinterpreted a post or
    done a disservice, I have the option to assimilate the advice and
    modify my behavior. It's a beautiful thing.

    So when the OP was told that ignoring good advice is lazy, stupid, or
    whatever, they can take that with the mineful of salt it seems to
    deserve, or take the advice to take the advice. If they do the
    latter, of course, they will benefit immeasurably. Beating up someone
    like Tom or whomever for "beating up the newbies" is silliness. The
    OP actually was wrong to ignore the advice they had requested.

    --
    Lew
     
    , Jul 14, 2008
    #17
  18. ssecorp

    Arne Vajhøj Guest

    Tom Anderson wrote:
    > On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    >> Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
    >>> On 2008-07-09 00:04 +0100, Arne Vajhøj allegedly wrote:
    >>>> Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
    >>>>> The akachan ningen OP displayed lazy and stupid, and altogether
    >>>>> rude, behaviour.
    >>>> The OP asked "what is the problem here?" and supplied complete code
    >>>> and a complete error message.
    >>>
    >>> 20080707T18:43: OP asks how to get pixel data from an Image. OP gets a
    >>> hint to PixelGrabber. OP abandons thread.
    >>>
    >>> 20080707T20:02: OP posts some code with a PixelGrabber and a compiler
    >>> error, which make it blatantly clear he hasn't got the merest clue of
    >>> what he's doing and can't be bothered to read and/or understand the
    >>> Javadoc. OP receives answers to that effect.
    >>>
    >>> 20080707T21:16: After having received those answers, OP reposts the
    >>> *exact* same problem. OP receives some answers explaining the
    >>> problem, and some criticising his behaviour.
    >>>
    >>> 20080708T13:14: OP makes a random modification to his code, posts that
    >>> code and the inevitable compiler error. Not even a hint of text or a
    >>> question this time.
    >>>
    >>> Those are *all* the posts from user "ssecorp" to this matter.

    >>
    >> And that relates to the claim of being lazy and stupid for not solving
    >> ones problems by reading docs how ??

    >
    > Directly.


    That I find very difficult to see.

    >> Or do you just believe that because someone not followed netiquette
    >> that they are fair game for anyone ??

    >
    > If someone comes up to me and says "How do i hammer a nail into this
    > wood?", and i tell them to use a hammer, and show them where to find one
    > and how to use it, and then a bit later they come back and say "This
    > doesn't work, how do i do this?", *while holding a spanner*, then i
    > think they're stupid. If i also gave them a book on how to use hammers,
    > i think they're also lazy.


    I think you need to try and learn something completely new like
    chinese language or playing the violin.

    You may find out that what is obvious for those that do know may
    be complete magick for those that do not know.

    >>>> I find it very difficult to see that as rude.
    >>>
    >>> I respect that, but that's not how I see it. That being said, please be
    >>> aware that I wouldn't go such lengths over it hadn't it been for Mark
    >>> Space's remarks and your question. I propose that we let the matter
    >>> rest.

    >>
    >> For some reasons the pigs that like to bully the newbies often prefer
    >> to let the matter rest when someone speaks up against it.

    >
    > I don't know if i'm one of the pigs being referred to here.


    You called someone that you have very good indications is a newbie
    lazy or stupid (I do not recognize the original acronyms).

    That is unacceptable behavior among civilized people.

    > I did more
    > to help the guy with his problem than anyone else, up to and including
    > posting actual code, and then i got pissed off when he ignored my help
    > and kept asking stupid questions.


    This is usenet.

    There will always be a lot of newbies that are completely clueless
    about the topic, how to troubleshoot and how to act on a newsgroup.

    If you consider your effort futile then drop the assistance and
    let somebody else do the work.

    > When people who hadn't actually
    > contributed anything useful to the thread started telling me off, i
    > decided the best thing for signal to noise ratio was to keep my mouth
    > shut. I think Mark was off-beam in his criticism, but i saw no point in
    > getting into a fight about it. Nobody ever changed anyone's opinion
    > about anything by arguing on usenet, so why bother?


    But you thought name calling at a newbie would ?

    Arne
     
    Arne Vajhøj, Jul 21, 2008
    #18
  19. ssecorp

    Arne Vajhøj Guest

    wrote:
    > In support of Tom's points, this is clj.programmer, presumptively
    > where professionals hang out to discuss Java matters, and occasionally
    > get fine points of the language clarified. It is the height of
    > rudeness to come in demanding help, then completely disregard the
    > voluntary, unpaid, donated, generous efforts of the Tom Andersons of
    > this group to help. It is also the height of ego to take offense at
    > anything said on Usenet. Even if someone where to publish here, "Lew,
    > you are completely arrogant, condescending and useless", as certain
    > small people actually have done, it would be silly of me to be
    > offended. That's the way the game is played on Usenet. There's no
    > censorship, and the only recourse one has for another's behavior is to
    > speak one's mind. When a serf calls me "arrogant" or "condescending",
    > I give it all the consideration it's due and move on. If someone
    > points out, as has also happened, that I've misinterpreted a post or
    > done a disservice, I have the option to assimilate the advice and
    > modify my behavior. It's a beautiful thing.


    So you don't think good manners apply to usenet.

    I disagree.

    > So when the OP was told that ignoring good advice is lazy, stupid, or
    > whatever,


    That is a twist of what was written. He was not told that certain
    behavior was such - he was told that he was.

    Arne
     
    Arne Vajhøj, Jul 21, 2008
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